Do you go to Mass regularly?

IrishAm

I dont go no, but me gran does.

Judging by this thread, it seems to be a revolutionary act for anyone under the age of 30 to admit being a practicing Catholic these days.

I wonder would non Christians receive the same wrath.

I somewhat doubt it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

hondasam wrote: »

It's called doing what ever you have too for a quite life. I'm sure we all did it when we lived at home. I definitely went to mass every Sunday when I lived at home.

It's called spinelessness. There is a huge difference between being respectful and being subserviant.

Coal1978

It's slow aerobics for old people.....sit down, stand up, kneel down, now repeat 3 times over the course of 40 mins.

hondasam

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

It's called spinelessness. There is a huge difference between being respectful and being subserviant.

Are you saying all teenagers who do stuff to suit their parents for a quite life are wimps?

IrishAm

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

It's called spinelessness. There is a huge difference between being respectful and being subserviant.

Sitting in a church for 40 minutes every so often to keep your parents happy is not spineless behaviour.

Never do something you didnt particularly enjoy for a loved one, no?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

hondasam wrote: »

Are you saying all teenagers who do stuff to suit their parents for a quite life are wimps?

I would have thought that it is pretty clear I was referring to one specific case.

IrishAm wrote: »

Sitting in a church for 40 minutes every so often to keep your parents happy is not spineless behaviour.

Never do something you didnt particularly enjoy for a loved one, no?

People who love you don't foced you continue and practice a religion you no longer feel comfortable with or in any way associated with and will listen to your objections. People who love their 17 year old kids accept that they are indiviuslas and have free will. (Well, they might, but they certainlt don;t respect you, and I find it hard to love people, even fmaily members, who don't respect me.)

hondasam

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

I would have thought that it is pretty clear I was referring to one specific case.

Ok just that particular poster is a wimp and any other teenager who opts for the quiet life?
We all do things to suit other people even though we don't agree with it or want to do it, it's unavoidable sometimes but it does not make you a wimp.

bbam

I've only looked at some posts in this thread but it strikes me that there is much more abuse and general disrespect being given from many of those who don't attend mass or partake in any religion at all. It sorta proves a point really.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

hondasam wrote: »

Ok just that particular poster is a wimp and any other teenager who opts for the quiet life?
We all do things to suit other people even though we don't agree with it or want to do it, it's unavoidable sometimes but it does not make you a wimp.

No, not what I said either.

humanji

BunShopVoyeur banned for a week for several breaches of the charter.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

philologos wrote: »

Again, I've explained in the following post the Christian position on dietary laws. Jesus fulfilled the dietary laws in Mark 7. Indeed, the Bible explicitly makes clear that there are two covenant agreements, the Old Covenant agreement with the Hebrews in the State of Israel, and the fulfillment of that in the New Covenant agreement in the New Testament. By the by, the Old Testament clearly says that there will be a new covenant agreement (Jeremiah 31:31-34).

If you're just going to ignore what I say this isn't going to be a very fruitful discussion. The reality is that the objection that you have made can be very easily explained.

The shrimp was excellent. As is the free-will. When I made the shellfood comment I was not intending you to take me literally. Nor does the Bible.

TeddyTedson

Coal1978 wrote: »

It's slow aerobics for old people.....sit down, stand up, kneel down, now repeat 3 times over the course of 40 mins.

lol

If you think about it though, it probably is good for old folk to get out...and kneel down on a plank of wood in a cold damp open room



I haven't been in a church in a few years. As my Dad says, I'll probably burst into flames the next time I return. :rolleyes:

I think people who do go and attend mass in a catholic church are lost causes at this stage. How people can continue to support the catholic church with everything that's gone I have no idea. What would they have to do to stop these people from attending

That being said I think spiritual belief is extremely healthy for people. I know there's a few atheists on boards who won't agree.

Buddhism ftw

Greentopia

Sharrow wrote: »

The RC considers it self to be hotel california, you can check out but you can never leave.

They do believe you cannot be unbaptised but you used to be able to officially leave. I did about 2 years ago. I formally defected, have the paper work to prove it and an annotated Baptismal Cert. I believe they've made a change to canon law now that removed all references to the formal Act Of Defection and that has effectively stopped the defection process.

hiram

Sharrow wrote: »

You already did impose your religion on him.

You signed him up when he was a babe and made a promise to have him indoctrinated and made an adult member of the RC church.
That happened when he was confirmed.

As far as the RC church is concerned he is a fully paid up member and will be forever.

If you really wanted him to have a real choice you would not have had him baptised.

I have to laugh at that argument that keeps popping up-that once a member of the RC Church you will always be a member. Complete rubbish, do those of us who dont attend mass really care about the Roman Catholic Church? And exactly what will happen to any of us if we never attend mass again?? Im a Freemason and a Roman Catholic, so technically I should be excommunicated.....Im still waiting for the letter through the door to finally free me of this (apparent) burden.....hmmmm. Anyway, life goes on....

Greentopia

bbam wrote: »

I've only looked at some posts in this thread but it strikes me that there is much more abuse and general disrespect being given from many of those who don't attend mass or partake in any religion at all. It sorta proves a point really.

Not from me matey. I'm openly atheist here and haven't abused anyone. I have no respect for religion of any flavour and will state as much in conversation with anyone if asked my opinions on the matter but as I've mentioned already I don't disrespect people who are religious. It's up to them what they want to believe.

The only point personal abuse proves is that some atheists can be assholes, just as some religious can be assholes.

partyatmygaff

Greentopia wrote: »

They do believe you cannot be unbaptised but you used to be able to officially leave. I did about 2 years ago. I formally defected, have the paper work to prove it and an annotated Birth Cert.

Birth cert? Since when is religion recorded on your birth cert?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Exactly. They can quote numbers as much as they want, I don't believe (in the church) and I don't go.

The Germans have a nice system here: you register your address and you state a religion. Then 3% extra tax is deducted form you and given to the church you nominate. You're welcome to declare yourself and athiest and have nothing deducted.

Bring that in and see how many Catholics there are on the books.

Greentopia

hiram wrote: »

Im a Freemason and a Roman Catholic, so technically I should be excommunicated.....Im still waiting for the letter through the door to finally free me of this (apparent) burden.....hmmmm. Anyway, life goes on....

They'd have to be made aware of your "sin" though and unless you're going to announce it to your local priest or Bishop I'd say excommunication is unlikely

Greentopia

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Birth cert? Since when is religion recorded on your birth cert?

Sorry I meant baptismal cert! I'll amend my post.

philologos

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

The shrimp was excellent. As is the free-will. When I made the shellfood comment I was not intending you to take me literally. Nor does the Bible.

Since you've not presented any meaningful argument against my position that the Bible clearly tells Christians not to neglect meeting together in Hebrews 10, can I conclude that there's not much of a good argument against it?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

philologos wrote: »

Since you've not presented any meaningful argument against my position that the Bible clearly tells Christians not to neglect meeting together in Hebrews 10, can I conclude that there's not much of a good argument against it?

You see, the problem here is that I don't believe you're using an accurate or consistant source. It deosn't matter what the Bible says because the Bible is inaccurate, contradicts itself and is not intended to be taken as literally as you take it. That's my point. My opinion is that God gives us free will. Religion takes it away. It does so, by appointing a preacher, which, as I said, is in direct opposition of what I believe to be the correct interpretation of Hebrews 10.

philologos

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

You see, the problem here is that I don't believe you're using an accurate or consistant source. It deosn't matter what the Bible says because the Bible is inaccurate, contradicts itself and is not intended to be taken as literally as you take it. That's my point. My opinion is that God gives us free will. Religion takes it away. It does so, by appointing a preacher, which, as I said, is in direct opposition of what I believe to be the correct interpretation of Hebrews 10.

The New Testament also clearly talks about leadership structures in churches in both 1 Timothy and Titus. In fact Hebrews itself talks about the church.

On the Christianity forum we've had quite a few people who have claimed contradictions in the Bible post, but none of them have actually held up on analysis, so I hold that with skepticism.

My main point simply put was that the Bible clearly tells Christians to meet together in Hebrews 10. That's all I wanted to say to those who said that Christians shouldn't go to church.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

philologos wrote: »

The New Testament also clearly talks about leadership structures in churches in both 1 Timothy and Titus. In fact Hebrews itself talks about the church.

On the Christianity forum we've had quite a few people who have claimed contradictions in the Bible post, but none of them have actually held up on analysis, so I hold that with skepticism.

My main point simply put was that the Bible clearly tells Christians to meet together in Hebrews 10. That's all I wanted to say to those who said that Christians shouldn't go to church.

Still don't see it commanding, to be honest. It doesn't tell you to do something it says to not neglect doing something. It could simply meen going for a beer with your Christian buddies, or not neglecting a sence of sorority or community. All very good advice, but certainly not ordering you to attend a service.

I take you point about people saying that Christians shouldn't go to church - sayign that is a bit daft, to be hoenst -

Morag

hiram wrote: »

I have to laugh at that argument that keeps popping up-that once a member of the RC Church you will always be a member.

According to their doctrine and records you will always be a member.[/quote]

hiram wrote: »

Complete rubbish, do those of us who dont attend mass really care about the Roman Catholic Church? And exactly what will happen to any of us if we never attend mass again??

You are considered a lapsed catholic.

hiram wrote: »

Im a Freemason and a Roman Catholic, so technically I should be excommunicated.....Im still waiting for the letter through the door to finally free me of this (apparent) burden.....hmmmm. Anyway, life goes on....

If you are serious about seeking excommunication then contact the office of your local bishop. But even if you get your rite of excommunication (I have one) you are still a member of the RC just a member in Very Bad Standing.

shawnee

Sharrow wrote: »

The RC considers it self to be hotel california, you can check out but you can never leave.

Bull**** !:D Never had any one chasing me or anyone that I know All in your head man !

1ZRed

Why does anything even remotely religious get so much attention in these forums?:rolleyes:

dpe

Quality wrote: »

Bribed to take communion? What is that all about.


Enlighten me?

So kids in Ireland don't get parties and the bouncy castle and the Playstations and the money from relatives then? And they don't all compare notes? And the parents don't all go "ah well they have to fit in don't they?"

Must be some other Ireland I've been living in the last few years. (For the record, catholic kids in the UK get none of that kind of thing for their communion).

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

dpe wrote: »

So kids in Ireland don't get parties and the bouncy castle and the Playstations and the money from relatives then? And they don't all compare notes? And the parents don't all go "ah well they have to fit in don't they?"

Must be some other Ireland I've been living in the last few years. (For the record, catholic kids in the UK get none of that kind of thing for their communion).

So irish kids are abusing the catholic chuch. Turnaround is fair play.

Fr_Dougal

shawnee wrote: »

Bull**** !:D Never had any one chasing me or anyone that I know All in your head man !

Think again...

Morag

1ZRed wrote: »

Why does anything even remotely religious get so much attention in these forums?:rolleyes:

It doesn't, try starting a thread about minorty religions and they drop off the front page like an anvil dropped from a hot air balloon.