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If you are pregnant , don't bother with MY school

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    #152
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    noddyone2 wrote: »
    'Lucky' not to get pregnant? Since when does 'luck' come into it? Contraception is widely available. Bad parenting maybe?

    Lots of people screw up and take chances, sometimes they get lucky and dodge a bullet.


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    #153
    It wasn't me!
    Registered Users Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Putting herself about? Who's to say she didn't have sex within a long term relationship? Jesus, lots of pretty crude assumptions being thrown around here.


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    #154
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Old Tom wrote: »
    Ah, "we all"... I see you are a Voice Of the Community now father ...

    Ok, I'm gonna make myself a cup of coffee, have a nice day sir.

    Your funny. I like you! :D

    I do ...seriously! Please return soon. :D
    You make me smile and laugh. :D


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    #155
    ash23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭ash23


    micropig wrote: »
    ash23 wrote: »


    I'm fairly sure they are annoyed because a young girl was treated really badly.


    Yes it's the states fault, It's the schools fault, it's societies fault..


    everyones fault but the mother and her daughter



    She was enrolled in another school before giving birth - the state was providing her education


    This is just a hissy fit she is throwing because she didn't get to go to the school she wanted,

    Tough Sh1T


    No it's actually just the schools fault. The school manager to be specific.
    Her choices shouldn't be lesser than that of a girl who didn't get pregnant. That's discrimination and if my child were discriminated against you can be damn right I'd complain.


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    #156
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    noddyone2 wrote: »
    'Lucky' not to get pregnant? Since when does 'luck' come into it? Contraception is widely available. Bad parenting maybe?

    Not Irish style contraception;)


    and then we all have to act shocked and surprised when the 'accident' results in a child:rolleyes:


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    #157
    coffee_cake
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    noddyone2 wrote: »
    Since when does 'luck' come into it? Contraception is widely available.

    And contraception is 100% effective and never ever ever fails under any circumstances ever


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    #158
    branbee
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭branbee


    noddyone2 wrote: »
    eviltwin wrote: »
    pmsl at this

    The "sin" is in having sex...most kids who have sex - and adults for that matter - will be lucky enough not to get pregnant. Sadly for the ones who do - the girls that is - they wear their "sin" in public which makes it easier for people like you to think they are slappers.
    'Lucky' not to get pregnant? Since when does 'luck' come into it? Contraception is widely available. Bad parenting maybe?

    Coz contraception is 100% effective every single time a couple have sex is it?


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    #159
    micropig
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    ash23 wrote: »
    No it's actually just the schools fault. The school manager to be specific.
    Her choices shouldn't be lesser than that of a girl who didn't get pregnant. That's discrimination and if my child were discriminated against you can be damn right I'd complain.

    She had a place in another school, the state was providing her with an education, just not in the same school as her friends


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    #160
    kylith
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    Old Tom wrote: »
    They don't like it - they don't take her. It's freedom and democracy.
    Whoever likes taking single mothers - open your own school and go ahead.
    How about schools being paid for by the public don't discriminate against the public, and anyone who wants to set their own draconian entry criteria open their own school, paid for out of their own pocket?

    A couple of girls in my year got pregnant, and were encouraged to finish their education. They were very open about how hard it was to look after a baby and how stressed they were. Nothing was glamourised, no-one thought it'd be a great idea to get knocked up, and everyone lauded their commitment to education.


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    #161
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    bluewolf wrote: »
    And contraception is 100% effective and never ever ever fails under any circumstances ever


    Not as many times as Irish people like to make out
    branbee wrote: »
    Coz contraception is 100% effective every single time a couple have sex is it?

    It is possible to use more than 1 form of contraception...


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    #162
    ash23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭ash23


    micropig wrote: »
    She had a place in another school, the state was providing her with an education, just not in the same school as her friends

    The issue is that she was discriminated against. She was offered a place and then it was withdrawn because she was pregnant.
    She was offered another place a year later and it was withdrawn when they realised she had a child.
    She was discriminated against by the school, firstly for being pregnant, then for her marital status.

    The ombudsman has found she was discriminated against. Discrimination is never acceptable.


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    #163
    Min
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    It wasn't me! wrote: »
    Putting herself about? Who's to say she didn't have sex within a long term relationship? Jesus, lots of pretty crude assumptions being thrown around here.

    Well to have sex at that age means she put herself about, she was not required to have sex, I presume and hope she was not raped, so she did it of her own volition.


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    #164
    MagicMarker
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    micropig wrote: »
    It is possible to use more than 1 form of contraception...

    You can use as many as you like, it's never going to be 100% effective.


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    #165
    St.Spodo
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    Min wrote: »
    To forgive one has to be sorry for the wrong they did.

    Was this schoolgirl sorry she has loose morals while wanting to enter a lay Catholic school which has different morals?
    If the school girl was sorry for her actions, then the school should have taken her in, if not then the problem is not the school's.

    From a catholic point of view, fair enough. I'm not going to address the issue of catholic ethos in schools and it is there prerogative to allow in whomever they like. That said, a teenager having sex doesn't mean he or she has loose morals.


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    #166
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    micropig wrote: »
    She had a place in another school, the state was providing her with an education, just not in the same school as her friends

    Do you think people who experience discrimination should just suck it up and get over it? Or should they shine a light onto it so we can all see just what kind of crap some people have to deal with?


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    #167
    It wasn't me!
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    Min wrote: »
    Well to have sex at that age means she put herself about, she was not required to have sex, I presume and hope she was not raped, so she did it of her own volition.

    "putting herself about" implies she was promiscuous, when this may very well not be the case. She'll never be "required" to have sex, but it happens, at a variety of ages, and the consequences should never include ostracism or discrimination.


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    #168
    ash23
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    Min wrote: »
    Well to have sex at that age means she put herself about, she was not required to have sex, I presume and hope she was not raped, so she did it of her own volition.

    I didn't read any information about the conception or her sex life in that report. Please direct me to the link where it states that she "put herself about".

    How many girls were shunned for being sluts when they were actually being raped by their fathers, brothers, teachers, local priests etc? Shoved in workhouses and outcast from society based on assumptions about their sex lives and promiscuity.

    Sad to see that people would happily go back to those days.


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    #169
    omck80
    Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭omck80


    micropig wrote: »
    Not Irish style contraception;)


    and then we all have to act shocked and surprised when the 'accident' results in a child:rolleyes:

    Not all contraception is 100% effective. Nobody here know's the full facts of the pregnancy. I think she should be allowed finish her education to make a better life for her and her child which is what I did while working too with NO social welfare payments just good support from a good family which she seem's to have too. Not all of us single mothers are in it for a "free house and welfare payments".


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    #170
    eviltwin
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    Sad to see that in an age where we are supposed to accept that sex is a two way thing the burden of blame still falls on the woman.


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    #171
    Cherrycola
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    I wonder if the boy who knocked her up(assuming he was also a student) was refused entry from any catholic schools due to the fact he was about to become a single parent?! :rolleyes:


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    #172
    Old Tom
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Your funny. I like you! :D

    I do ...seriously! Please return soon. :D
    You make me smile and laugh. :D
    Ah no worries, just drop me a PM whenever you need me...


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    #173
    Biggins
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    Old Tom wrote: »
    Ah no worries, just drop me a PM whenever you need me...

    :pac:

    Roger that! :D


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    #174
    noddyone2
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    Cherrycola wrote: »
    I wonder if the boy who knocked her up(assuming he was also a student) was refused entry from any catholic schools due to the fact he was about to become a single parent?! :rolleyes:
    He got to bone her, got away with it. What's new?


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    #175
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    omck80 wrote: »
    Not all contraception is 100% effective. Nobody here know's the full facts of the pregnancy. I think she should be allowed finish her education to make a better life for her and her child which is what I did while working too with NO social welfare payments just good support from a good family which she seem's to have too. Not all of us single mothers are in it for a "free house and welfare payments".

    Our children are under educated about the proper use of education and consequences.


    She wanted to go to a school, owned and run by a private individual, she was refused


    The state was providing her an education in another school.


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    #176
    ash23
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    micropig wrote: »
    She wanted to go to a school, owned and run by a private individual, she was refused


    ..............because of her marital status and family status which is against the law. No brainer really.


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    #177
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    micropig wrote: »
    Our children are under educated about the proper use of education and consequences.


    She wanted to go to a school, owned and run by a private individual, she was refused


    The state was providing her an education in another school.

    Yes by all accounts she is happy and doing well in the new school but that is hardly the point is it? Should we just turn a blind eye to discrimination now?


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    #178
    Min
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    Cherrycola wrote: »
    I wonder if the boy who knocked her up(assuming he was also a student) was refused entry from any catholic schools due to the fact he was about to become a single parent?! :rolleyes:

    We can hope so, we need equality for all.


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    #179
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Yes by all accounts she is happy and doing well in the new school but that is hardly the point is it? Should we just turn a blind eye to discrimination now?

    Surely schools should be allowed to set higher standards for it's students if the school so wishes.


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    #180
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Yes by all accounts she is happy and doing well in the new school but that is hardly the point is it? Should we just turn a blind eye to discrimination now?

    Maybe the school, got the reports from the other schools she attended and we're not impressed?

    The state did not refuse her an education, in fact they went out of their way by providing a home tutor


    Why doesn't her mother start her own school for single parents if she's so concerned?


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    #181
    It wasn't me!
    Registered Users Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Min wrote: »
    Surely schools should be allowed to set higher standards for it's students if the school so wishes.

    Provided they're not discriminatory, perhaps. If it were on the grounds of academic achievement it'd be different. This is a case of not wanting "her sort" around the place, and that's wrong.


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