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If you are pregnant , don't bother with MY school

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    #212
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    Male and Female haves sex and creates a beautiful life = wrong

    Raping and killing Children = right

    What a bunch sheer hypocrites, just plain w*nkers.


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    #213
    ash23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭ash23


    micropig wrote: »
    Lacking in sex education, handling emotions, relationships , lacking in many areas


    I find that highly offensive and completely untrue. It is also a gross generalisation about all single parents.


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    #214
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    micropig wrote: »
    Lacking in sex education, handling emotions, relationships , lacking in many areas

    Are you talking about single parents in general or just the teenager in this case?


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    #215
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    ash23 wrote: »
    Min wrote: »
    To forgive one has to be sorry for the wrong they did.

    Was this schoolgirl sorry she has loose morals while wanting to enter a lay Catholic school which has different morals?
    If the school girl was sorry for her actions, then the school should have taken her in, if not then the problem is not the school's.


    Sorry for her actions? For producing a child?
    Why should she be apologetic for having a baby? Loose morals? Oh sweet Jesus :mad:

    I agree completely. I think a substantial number of people at that or any other catholic school are also having sex. The catholic church and their zealots in this country only seem to target the vunerable people using their beliefs single mothers, gay people ect. I also have to wonder are the people here who criticise her all virgins or is sex only bad if your a woman?


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    #216
    ash23
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I also have to wonder are the people here who criticise her all virgins or is sex only bad if your a woman?
    Or only when you are a woman who gets pregnant and has the child instead of an abortion.
    The child is an obvious indication that sex has been had (unless you're the Virgin Mary) so therefore it's easy to point the finger at the unmarried mothers. The men, the women who don't get pregnant and the women who have abortions have no evidence with which to be judged with.
    It's sad that people would take something as wonderful as a child and use it as a stick with which to beat a woman.


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    #217
    omck80
    Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭omck80


    micropig wrote: »
    Lacking in sex education, handling emotions, relationships , lacking in many areas

    As I am quite new to boards and am enjoying it I am not going to risk getting banned by saying what I really think of this statement. I'm aware everyone is entitled to their own opinion but that for me is pure crap. :mad:


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    #218
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Old Tom wrote: »
    Biggins wrote: »
    Frankly I think the person that rejected the young girl is an bigoted idiot who is as far away from being a charitable, helpful nice person as they could possibly be.
    What an asshole!
    What experience in running schools (including responsibility for hundreds of children) YOU have to make such statements sir?

    As opposed to the "winning" aproach catholics had to running schools in Ireland in our recent history?


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    #219
    dsmythy
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    Damn, I should have sued for discrimination when I wasn't allowed go to the all-girls school :(


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    #220
    Min
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I agree completely. I think a substantial number of people at that or any other catholic school are also having sex. The catholic church and their zealots in this country only seem to target the vunerable people using their beliefs single mothers, gay people ect. I also have to wonder are the people here who criticise her all virgins or is sex only bad if your a woman?


    Maybe this is why the Principal didn't want her at his school. You have judged the other students at the school by the standards of the the girl who had sex.


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    #221
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Min wrote: »
    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I agree completely. I think a substantial number of people at that or any other catholic school are also having sex. The catholic church and their zealots in this country only seem to target the vunerable people using their beliefs single mothers, gay people ect. I also have to wonder are the people here who criticise her all virgins or is sex only bad if your a woman?


    Maybe this is why the Principal didn't want her at his school. You have judged the other students at the school by the standards of the the girl who had sex.

    Unless the principle is a virgin hes a hypocrit. Even if he is I fail to see how getting pregnant is an accepable reason for discrimination.


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    #222
    Dudess
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    What a depressing story/reaction. And she's trying to get educated, yet still with the single mother stigma... :(

    And, "she'll tell other students how great it is to get benefits"? - that's just clutching at straws for trolling/contravention of the "Don't be a dick" rule material...


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    #223
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    I get the impression from some peoples posts that they wish the magdaline laundries was still here.


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    #224
    Old Tom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭Old Tom


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I get the impression from some peoples posts that they wish the magdaline laundries was still here.
    :pac::pac::pac:


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    #225
    CajunPenguin
    Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭CajunPenguin


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    Indeed, never mind that she and the child will be a burden on the state for the next 18 years.

    The only 'education' she cares about is what she is now entitled to from the state.
    Well she clearly doesn't want that to happen if she's getting an education


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    #226
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    ash23 wrote: »
    I find that highly offensive and completely untrue. It is also a gross generalisation about all single parents.

    Any parent who abandons their child and lets the state take care of it is lacking in something...

    It is not a generalisation about all single parents, it is a generalisation about the parent that has abandoned their child





    Yes I'm going to try for the Muslim school next year


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    #227
    ash23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭ash23


    micropig wrote: »
    Any parent who abandons their child and lets the state take care of it is lacking in something...

    It is not a generalisation about all single parents, it is a generalisation about the parent that has abandoned their child


    We weren't talking about anyone abandoning their child. We were talking about single parents who by the very nature of their name, are parenting.


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    #228
    coffee_cake
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    micropig wrote: »
    Any parent who abandons their child and lets the state take care of it is lacking in something...

    It is not a generalisation about all single parents, it is a generalisation about the parent that has abandoned their child
    You replying to a quote specifically about single parents, the ones who are parenting on their own. Back pedal harder :rolleyes:


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    #229
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    micropig wrote: »
    Any parent who abandons their child and lets the state take care of it is lacking in something...

    It is not a generalisation about all single parents, it is a generalisation about the parent that has abandoned their child





    Yes I'm going to try for the Muslim school next year

    Parents who feck off are not single parents...single parents are the ones actually raising the child the best they can in the face of ignorance like yours

    We are all just a death or a fight away from being single parents, non of us can afford to be smug about it.


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    #230
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    ash23 wrote: »
    We weren't talking about anyone abandoning their child. We were talking about single parents who by the very nature of their name, are parenting.

    Yes, but for every single parent managing alone, there is another parent of the same child not taking responsibility.


    There are reasons why the parent is left to manage alone.



    Ireland has such a limited view of providing education people seem to think any alternative to mainstream is laundries:rolleyes:


    Pick your partner more wisely. Don't just have a baby because you want to. Think of the life you can offer the child. Personal responsibility and all that


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    #231
    ash23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭ash23


    Ah so you mean you were referring to an absent parent and not a single parent. Sure...... :rolleyes:


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    #232
    roast
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    ash23 wrote: »
    I find it ironic that this girl could have gone and had an abortion and been welcomed by the school with open arms but because she did have the child and accept that responsibility, she was punished. Way to go Catholicism!! :(

    This.
    It's a horrible situation for the girl to be in.


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    #233
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    ash23 wrote: »
    Ah so you mean you were referring to an absent parent and not a single parent. Sure...... :rolleyes:

    You must of missed this bit..
    micropig wrote: »

    There are reasons why the parent is left to manage alone.

    oh and the bit about choosing a suitable partner


    2 parents, can't just blame 1


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    #234
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    micropig wrote: »


    Pick your partner more wisely. Don't just have a baby because you want to. Think of the life you can offer the child. Personal responsibility and all that

    A lot of single parents didn't start out that way, they had their children in what they thought were loving, committed relationships but life happened.

    Things aren't always black and white.


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    #235
    ash23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭ash23


    micropig wrote: »
    You must of missed this bit..



    oh and the bit about choosing a suitable partner


    2 parents, can't just blame 1

    Where was the reference to the absent parent in the original comment?
    The one where you said single parents were lacking in oh so many ways?


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    #236
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    eviltwin wrote: »
    A lot of single parents didn't start out that way, they had their children in what they thought were loving, committed relationships but life happened.

    Things aren't always black and white.

    Things aren't always black and white...very true


    But does this excuse the state having to pick up the pieces?


    Surely if you are mature enough to have a child you should be mature enough to provide for it


    Even if you're not in a relationship, both still have a duty to the child. Was the state in the bed too??


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    #237
    ash23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭ash23


    micropig wrote: »
    Things aren't always black and white...very true


    But does this excuse the state having to pick up the pieces?


    Surely if you are mature enough to have a child you should be mature enough to provide for it


    Even if you're not in a relationship, both still have a duty to the child. Was the state in the bed too??


    Sigh. Haven't I pointed out that not all single parents are on welfare. In fact, the majority aren't. Would you ever head off and educate yourself about single parents and then come back because it's quite difficult to listen to the same (inaccurate) points being spewed over and over.


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    #238
    hondasam
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    micropig wrote: »

    Pick your partner more wisely. Don't just have a baby because you want to. Think of the life you can offer the child. Personal responsibility and all that

    You can pick the perfect partner but **** happens, people separate and women become single mothers.
    What about if your partner dies? is this type of single mother ok with you?


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    #239
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    ash23 wrote: »
    Where was the reference to the absent parent in the original comment?
    The one where you said single parents were lacking in oh so many ways?

    Yes. Unable to choose a suitable partner


    Choosing a person who will run, instead of facing their responsibilities and all the 'accidents' with the contraception:rolleyes:


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    #240
    ash23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭ash23


    micropig wrote: »
    Yes. Unable to choose a suitable partner


    Choosing a person who will run, instead of facing their responsibilities and all the 'accidents' with the contraception:rolleyes:

    Ok, oh wise one. Can I borrow your crystal ball please?

    :rolleyes:


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    #241
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    micropig wrote: »
    Things aren't always black and white...very true


    But does this excuse the state having to pick up the pieces?


    Surely if you are mature enough to have a child you should be mature enough to provide for it


    Even if you're not in a relationship, both still have a duty to the child. Was the state in the bed too??

    In the context of this story the girl in question is trying to get her life back on track. Surely that is a good thing? She is only 16, she should remain in school and do her exams, go to college and get a job. Same with the dad. The better both of them do in school the less chance they have of being a drain on the state.


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