New York Jets Thread

phatkev

https://twitter.com/MikeNash15/status/575817737445969921
haha not a hope in hell that Marshall wins this, Hakim is one fast cat!

Phillip Adams needs to hold out on #24, get himself some of Revis guaranteed money:pac:

LuckyLloyd

Well let's hope Revis recovers some of what he lost in terms of on field effectiveness.

phatkev

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Well let's hope Revis recovers some of what he lost in terms of on field effectiveness.

I dont know how much Revis "lost", he's not the player he was in 2009 but he is still one of the best corners in the game. He was an essential part of the the pats defense last year, he gave up one reception for 30 yards in there playoff run

phatkev

Cro is back now too, this is the first Maccagnan move that Im not happy about. he had a good start to the season last year put he really tailed off for the last 6 games. and if he's going to be cb2, Maccagnan has given Skrine 13 million guaranteed to be a dime back.

franglan

Where does the Cro move put Miliner? Not sure what he is yet, he was a first rounder though. Not particularly happy with the Cro move either.

phatkev

franglan wrote: »

Where does the Cro move put Miliner? Not sure what he is yet, he was a first rounder though. Not particularly happy with the Cro move either.

Milliner is rehabbing a torn achilles, so i doubt he'll be ready for camp. Bowles system made used alot of CBs last year, so i assume there will be a role for him once he's healthy

phatkev

there's a big Jets contingent at the Oregon pro day, including Mike Maccagnan and Chan Gailey

Phoenix Park

franglan wrote: »

Where does the Cro move put Miliner? Not sure what he is yet, he was a first rounder though. Not particularly happy with the Cro move either.

Surely keeping Dee Milliner off the field can only be good news, he looks awful and like t rich at the Colts sometimes it's better to cut your losses regardless of
round taken. Not saying cut the guy outright but the less playing time the better?

Jets D with the three big men up front and Cro paired with Revis again looks great to me. I think the team is really going places now. They got great value in the Marshall trade. I wonder if Ryan Fitzpatrick will be seen after the first few games. I still maintain Geno is the worst QB in the league, I've seen him play in the flesh a couple of times and I think he'll never make a decent QB. That "run and hide" game V Miami last December... When the public address are told not to call out a players name to the fans you know it's not good! The AFC East is going to be great to watch next season. Jets making moves, Patriots can only miss Revis I think he'll be a big loss, Rex at the Bills, Suh...who knows, maybe he can reinvigorate Miami, it would be good to see some seats actually taken at their games. Can't wait.

Paully D

Phoenix Park wrote: »

Surely keeping Dee Milliner off the field can only be good news, he looks awful and like t rich at the Colts sometimes it's better to cut your losses regardless of
round taken. Not saying cut the guy outright but the less playing time the better?

Not sure if anyone else finds this to be the case, but in my opinion corner seems to be the hardest position to adapt to from college to the pros. Milliner has been terrible so far aside from a strong end to December 2013 and his 2014 was a bit of a write off, but I'd always personally cut corners a bit of slack for a couple of seasons (perhaps it's more than I should) and then by season 3 I'd expect them to step up if they are going to at all.

phatkev

Phoenix Park wrote: »

Surely keeping Dee Milliner off the field can only be good news, he looks awful and like t rich at the Colts sometimes it's better to cut your losses regardless of
round taken. Not saying cut the guy outright but the less playing time the better?

Milliner showed a major improvement in the final 4 games his rookie season, and he was showing signs of that form early last season too until he got injured.Like Paully said corners rarely show their true form in their rookie season, it didnt help that he missed all of his rookie camp as well.
Milliners problem its that he's not good enough, its that he cant stay healthy!

Phoenix Park

phatkev wrote: »

Milliner showed a major improvement in the final 4 games his rookie season, and he was showing signs of that form early last season too until he got injured.Like Paully said corners rarely show their true form in their rookie season, it didnt help that he missed all of his rookie camp as well.
Milliners problem its that he's not good enough, its that he cant stay healthy!

Fair enough he played better at the end, but you cannot attach the same weight to those games. Titans were already dead week 15. The dolphins game was the final game of the season where even Geno looked like Aaron Rodgers. It's just not as competitive an environment and I don't think you can attach much significance to it.Vikings put up thirty plus points towards the end of the season I think? Yes, it's a positive but even considering it's still early days in his career personally I wouldn't hold out too much hope. Only my own take of course. Surely you wouldn't say Cro and Revis teaming up.

phatkev

Phoenix Park wrote: »

Fair enough he played better at the end, but you cannot attach the same weight to those games. Titans were already dead week 15. The dolphins game was the final game of the season where even Geno looked like Aaron Rodgers.

Milliner didn't play in any of these games he was on the injured reserve. it was the of the '13 season that he started to play better. anyway regardless of his competition the improvements I saw in Milliner was the fact that he was finally putting his technique to use, the fist 10/11 weeks he was trying to cover guys using solely his athleticism. Seeing him use his technique without thinking about it too much and not relying solo athleticism was when he started to show improvement!

phatkev

just realized Willie"penalty machine"Colon has resigned too, hopefully he'll be serving as a backup

hots

Another big day in f.a yesterday, happy with both signings and even colon re-signing on the vet minimum is fine. Bringing cro back is a good move imo, we've got one of the best cb groups around now and time to let our others sit and fully recover and learn from the best.

Hoping for a big season from Pryor this year, a lot more talent around him now.

Phoenix Park

Sorry phatkev I forgot when he got injured.

phatkev

hobbit of the shire wrote: »

Hoping for a big season from Pryor this year, a lot more talent around him now.

the only way we'll see improvement from Pryor is if he's moved to strong safety. Hopefully they'll sign a decent free safety that'll allow Pryor to move back to his natural position.

phatkev

http://www.metro.us/sports/famed-jets-fan-fireman-ed-talks-potential-comeback/zsJoco---tGPQ8q67kYhL/

the same crowd that set up firejohnidzik.com are trying to persuade fireman Ed to come back. With the recent signings of Revis, Cro and maybe Fireman Ed, come september I wont know if its 2010 or 2015:pac:

LuckyLloyd

It's all a bit mad this. Get rid of Ryan but bring back the last D that made a run to the AFC Champ game!! :pac:

phatkev

ahahahaha gowan Woody! Really spicing up the rivalry

Jets file tampering charges against Patriots over Revis remarks

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/24/jets-file-tampering-charges-against-patriots-over-revis-remarks/

Hazys

phatkev wrote: »

ahahahaha gowan Woody! Really spicing up the rivalry

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/24/jets-file-tampering-charges-against-patriots-over-revis-remarks/

Its like the Jets are a 5 year old gasping a straws in a fight with their bigger brother, except with billion dollar organizations.

Putin

Hazys wrote: »

Its like the Jets are a 5 year old gasping a straws in a fight with their bigger brother, except with billion dollar organizations.

It’s almost hard to believe they even did it. Mr. Kraft basically said nothing. He said that the fan in him would have loved if Revis stayed and that's all. he said they made Revis an offer, he rejected it and he went with the highest bidder. Revis has just signed a long term contract, is totally tied up and you couldn’t tamper even if you wanted too. Mr. Kraft the owner not the fan, would never break the bank or break team policy for a player and he never has.

Unlike Johnson, he never said he wanted Revis back. Now this contrast sharpy with what Woody Johnson said and subsequently did. Last December Johnson knowing full well that Revis would be a free agent, said he wanted Revis. It was clear intent directed at a player that he wanted and a player he knew he could target in a few months time.

The American sports media are loving this and having a right laugh at the Jets expense and it serves then right imo. You have to wonder what lever of stupidity the decision came from. Many in the NFL generally mock the Jets for being ‘The Jest’ and for being a joke of an outfit at times. This laughable tampering charge just plays right into their hands imo.

phatkev

yes what Woody said is against the letter of the law, but its not like he met up for contract talks or called a press conference to express that he wanted Revis back.

I don't believe for a second Revis was wondering where to go and looked back at that and though "oh then I'll go to the Jets".
Let's be realistic, the highest bidder was gonna get Revis. Maybe if it was really close, he would've gone for a competitor instead of getting an extra couple hundred thousand, but still. He's been all about money since he got in the league.

Also if any other owner had said they would love to have Revis on their team I dont think Bob would have batted an eyelid.

Putin

phatkev wrote: »

Also if any other owner had said they would love to have Revis on their team I dont think Bob would have batted an eyelid.

Ah now come on. He made a blatant tampering comment, that most NFL team owners have the cop on not to make. And if you think Kraft would have ignored tampering coming from anywhere else, then that's ridiculous imo.

hots

Putin wrote: »

Ah now come on. He made a blatant tampering comment, that most NFL team owners have the cop on not to make. And if you think Kraft would have ignored tampering coming from anywhere else, then that's ridiculous imo.

ah it was hardly the most severe of tampering comments, he'll get his slap on the wrist for it and be done with it. I'm sure he only put in the counter-claim to stir up some trouble.

j8wk2feszrnpao

I don't get the counter claim.
If the Jets think that Kraft's comments amount to tampering, then they are pretty much admitting that their own comments were tampering.
Shooting themselves in the foot really.

phatkev

munstermagic11 wrote: »

I don't get the counter claim.
If the Jets think that Kraft's comments amount to tampering, then they are pretty much admitting that their own comments were tampering.
Shooting themselves in the foot really.

Woody didn't file these charges because he's upset about Kraft "tampering" or feels like he did, but instead, he filed them because it proves that his original remarks being taken as tampering are complete bull****.

phatkev

essentially he's trying to offset the Pats tampering charges so that no harsh punishment happens, by highlighting how vague the language of the rule is

FreeOSCAR

Both tampering chargers are very petty, albeit the Jets against NE a bit more ridiculous.
It's embarrasing for both teams, no way around it.

Putin

phatkev wrote: »

Woody didn't file these charges because he's upset about Kraft "tampering" or feels like he did, but instead, he filed them because it proves that his original remarks being taken as tampering are complete bull****.

Meanwhile he just made an fool of himself and the franchise while doing so. There is no comparison between what Johnson and Kraft said. Johnson made a comment, that clearly stated he wanted a player who was under contract with another team = tampering. Kraft made a comment that said he would have loved to have kept him, but the offer wasn't good enough = not tampering. There's a pretty clear and unambiguous difference between what both said. Personally I think the whole thing is a nonsense. Tampering goes on all the time, but it's just under the radar and usually a team owner has the cop on not to walk himself into it.

corner back 2

Its amazing how defensive Pats fans get when they are accused of something. You would think they should be used to it by now! Woody just doing the NY pres a favour by giving them something to write about now that free agency has calmed down.
On a more important note have any Jets fans here come around to my way of thinking that we cant pass on Mariota if he is available at 6. I was pretty much on my own when I brought it up last and I am wondering if anyone has changer their minds due to the moves made in free agency.