Ian Paisley is in hospital...

later12

No AH thread on this yet?

What have we become?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0206/breaking38.html

The Rev Ian Paisley is in intensive care tonight after suffering from acute heart problems.

The former Northern Ireland first minister was admitted to the Ulster Hospital, Dundonald on the eastern outskirts of Belfast.

A statement on behalf of his wife, Baroness Paisley said: “She requests that the family’s privacy be respected at this difficult time.”

efb

Get well soon Lord Bannside

44leto

Yeah Big Ian get well soon.

steddyeddy

He did a lot for the peace process and I wish him the best of health.

Ghandee

later10 wrote: »

No AH thread on this yet?

What have we become?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0206/breaking38.html

I would like to say fcuk him, as he was an awful gobshiite in his time.

But in hindsight, big Ian mellowed dramatically in the last decade or so, and I'll genuinely mourn his passing when it happens.

Never thought I'd see the day when he shared govt with Sinn Fein.
At least hell be remembered for the right reasons now, even if it was only in the last decade that he embraced the peace treaty.

someuser905

why did he mellow so much?

AG2R

His heart couldn't take his angry self

ChunkyLover_53

Aha! So thats who started this thread!

Poxy Hospital waiting time to be treated

TeddyTedson

Ghandee wrote: »

I would like to say fcuk him, as he was an awful gobshiite in his time.

But in hindsight, big Ian mellowed dramatically in the last decade or so, and I'll genuinely mourn his passing when it happens.

Never thought I'd see the day when he shared govt with Sinn Fein.
At least hell be remembered for the right reasons now, even if it was only in the last decade that he embraced the peace treaty.

He knew he had to cooperate to be positively remembered at his time of life. His son is another bollocks just like he was.
At least he got some of his **** together in the end, but I don't think I'll be mourning the death of that man. The north would probably have been better without him overall.

gcgirl

Well there's a get well soon from me might not agree with him sometimes but from what I have heard he is a gent outside of politics and his wife is a lovely woman too

dj jarvis

i dont agree with his politics or his view on religion , and i would fight his view on the six county's but .......

he is a 85 year old man who is ill - and with any person who is ill i wish him well

funny thing is a thread here a few months ago on thatcher was hate filled and scathing about her ......

and i have a feeling this thread will not be the same

we are a funny lot really

( and keithafc this is what forgive and forget is all about - you should try it sometime , its liberating )

biko

RIP Get well soon Ian.

gcgirl

ChunkyLover_53 wrote: »

Aha! So thats who started this thread!

Poxy Hospital waiting time to be treated

Alas Belfast hospitals just possible show their southern counter parts a thing or 2

steddyeddy

gcgirl wrote: »

ChunkyLover_53 wrote: »

Aha! So thats who started this thread!

Poxy Hospital waiting time to be treated

Alas Belfast hospitals just possible show their southern counter parts a thing or 2

Especially when it comes to knee surgury aparantly!

ItsAWindUp

Ian Paisley has suffered a suspected heart attack.The IRA has claimed responsibility, Sinn Fein have condemned all heart attacks.

gcgirl

steddyeddy wrote: »

gcgirl wrote: »

ChunkyLover_53 wrote: »

Aha! So thats who started this thread!

Poxy Hospital waiting time to be treated

Alas Belfast hospitals just possible show their southern counter parts a thing or 2

Especially when it comes to knee surgury aparantly!

Apparently if your a cf patient you've a longer life span up north compare to down here and then there's the oncology doctors

Soil Mechanic

...PIRA General Army Council said to be "very concerned" over health of "Outstanding" Human Resources Manager....

Ghandee

TeddyTedson wrote: »

He knew he had to cooperate to be positively remembered at his time of life. His son is another bollocks just like he was.
At least he got some of his **** together in the end, but I don't think I'll be mourning the death of that man. The north would probably have been better without him overall.

Lol, a lot of that was a show tbh.

I remember the day he arrived into our college, had a tour of the place and we were required to stand with him for a picture for a local paper.....

About ten lads from my class (myself included) refused, due to our Towns/villages being staunchly republican/nationalist areas, I'll never forget when he asked me where I was from (upon hearing the reason for our refusal for the photo) he said he didn't Blame me when I told him the name of my home village ! lol

Ghandee

someuser905 wrote: »

why did he mellow so much?

He probably succumbed to the view that 'might is right'.

Zebra3

A man of pure evil who drove a lot of poorly educated young people into conducting pograms (i.e. ethnic cleansing).

Where To

Big Ian did a lot of good work for Ireland politically as well, particularly in ensuring our offshore islands were not abandoned.

senorwipesalot

says NO.

My name is URL

someuser905 wrote: »

why did he mellow so much?

I'm guessing that he realised that he was going to be unable to reconcile his faith with the hatred that he felt towards other people. He can meet his maker now, safe in the knowledge that he tried to make the world a better place

:pac:

later12

TeddyTedson wrote: »

He knew he had to cooperate to be positively remembered at his time of life. His son is another bollocks just like he was.
At least he got some of his **** together in the end, but I don't think I'll be mourning the death of that man. The north would probably have been better without him overall.

I wish I could thank this post more than once.

I don't want to get into a debate about Northern politics; we all have our opinions on it and I can already sense the hardliners circling this thread. But this man's role as a peacemaker at the end of his career does not cancel out his role as a peace breaker at the start of it.

The majority of his political life was spent pursuing shameful, inhumane dogmas that gave rise to division and violence; such a career deserves utter condemnation (no differently to those whose lives were spent fanning the flames of violence and division on the other side).

Whatever we individually think about Northern politics (and that's for another day perhaps), I think it is important that we do not airbursh this man's frankly vile political aggression and bigotry, which he pursued up until the latter days of his life, when he felt fate breathing on the back of his neck.

I don't wish ill of any man, but i certainly won't mourn Ian Paisely.

johnayo

someuser905 wrote: »

why did he mellow so much?

He mellowed so much because he wanted power. If he refused, he would never have been first minister.

Ghandee

later12

johnayo wrote: »

He mellowed so much because he wanted power. If he refused, he would never have been first minister.

He knew history is unkind to man who agitates for division.

His ego changed his politics. I don't believe there was any ethical shift that occurred in that strange, rearward mind of Dr Paisley's.

mikemac1

gcgirl wrote: »

from what I have heard he is a gent outside of politics

You were misinformed

Sports is not politics and yet he stood outside Ravenhill in Belfast ranting and raving at rugby supporters going to a match on a Sunday

Catholic Church seems completely laid back and relaxed compared to the rules he follows

chavezychavez

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

Ian Paisley has suffered a suspected heart attack.The IRA has claimed responsibility, Sinn Fein have condemned all heart attacks.

Sorry man, robbin' that for my Facistbook status. Its a classic. Only SOPA (or a Paisley heart attack) can stop me now.

Badgermonkey

A malignant behemoth and a charismatic man, poisoned by tribalism and that old time religion.

His deeds should be forgiven, not forgotten.

Yahew

Of course you can judge a man by his entire life, only a dogmatist wouldn't. Paisley, like Scrooge, had a reformed last quarter.

Best of luck to him.

lividduck

Met him once, he was quite nice, he did mellow a lot and I would wish him a speedy recovery.
Love or hate him he was a dominant figure in politics for a long time.

later12

lividduck wrote: »

Love or hate him he was a dominant figure in politics for a long time.

So was Ceaușescu:pac:

Run_to_da_hills

I always admired him for this .

The King of Moo

I remember a teacher of mine saying that he brought a school rugby team from Galway to the North for a match, and they were all staying in the houses of families of the members of the other team.

One guy was staying with Mr. Paisley and his wife, and apparently they were perfect hosts, doing everything they could for him and being generally lovely.
This was long, long before he mellowed out too.
As mentioned earlier, he seemed to be like that with everyone outside of politics, whether they were Protestant or Catholic.

Though I have mixed feelings about his political influence overall, I still wish him a speedy recovery.

Galwayguy35

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I always admired him for this .

Why? He probably felt the same about anyone that called themselves Irish...

The King of Moo

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I always admired him for this .

A bit OT, but this is one of my favourite of just the first few comments on that:

Paisley is truly one of the most obnoxious Irishmen ever!!! Awful bloody island of religious maniacs! Stay out of England please!

Where to begin!

gcgirl

mikemac1 wrote: »

gcgirl wrote: »

from what I have heard he is a gent outside of politics

You were misinformed

Sports is not politics and yet he stood outside Ravenhill in Belfast ranting and raving at rugby supporters going to a match on a Sunday

Catholic Church seems completely laid back and relaxed compared to the rules he follows

I think I will take my friends word on it thanks

Badgermonkey

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I always admired him for this .

You left out the best bit - he also saved Ulster from sodomy

mikemac1

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Why? He probably felt the same about anyone that called themselves Irish...

Not so

"I was born in the island of Ireland. I have Irish traits in me - we don't all have the traits of what came from Scotland, there is the celtic factor... and I am an Irishman because you cannot be an Ulsterman without being an Irishman"

SeaFields

With the horrors, bloodshed and hatred that went on up north for decades, you would have been laughed at by everyone and their mother for saying one day McGuinness and Paisley would sit at the same table. Furthermore, they would be affectionately known as the chuckle brothers as they went on trade missions to the states together.

To be able to change your hate filled ways is something a lot of people could take heed of whatever his motivations were for doing so.

I wish him a speedy recovery.

later12

I remember he and the Baroness came to visit the Republic one time.

He was so kind, so generous and so sweet.

He whispered softly in my ear, "you know its not true" he said, "you don't all smell of shit' down here". Ah he was a wondrous person.

Doc Ruby

someuser905 wrote: »

why did he mellow so much?

Hefty donations from the Republic of Ireland to orange lodges.

Cashy money baby, spreading legs since the dawn of time.

Not saying thats a bad thing, buying off troublesome elements is a time honoured tradition everywhere.

Chuck Stone

A hater of Catholics and an inciter of the degenerate loyalist death squads that targeted Catholics for nothing other than they happened to be baptised in that faith.

A man with a phony doctorate and the head of a religious sect he spawned himself. Paisley appealed to the most primal feelings of baseless fear and paranoia among the fools who listened to him. Continuously denouncing the Pope but acting as if he himself were infallible.

In the end he became involved in a peace process that was already a storm born wave about to break on a beach - he just surfed it to the sand to collect the trophy in the sun.

gcgirl

Badgermonkey wrote: »

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I always admired him for this .

You left out the best bit - he also saved Ulster from sodomy

No he didn't he left that to iris Robinson

Sunnyisland

Chuck Stone wrote: »

A hater of Catholics and an inciter of the degenerate loyalist death squads that targeted Catholics for nothing other than they happened to be baptised in that faith.

A man with a phony doctorate and the head of a religious sect he spawned himself. Paisley appealed to the most primal feelings of baseless fear and paranoia among the fools who listened to him. Continuously denouncing the Pope but acting as if he himself were infallible.

In the end he became involved in a peace process that was already a storm born wave about to break on a beach - he just surfed it to the sand to collect the trophy in the sun.

But He is 85 years of age, He is in ill health.He stood for what he believed in and I would like to see him recover from this.
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mikemac1

For such a brash and self confident man he must have some amount of insecurities to call himself Dr Paisley with his bogus award

admiralofthefleet

Chuck Stone wrote: »

A hater of Catholics and an inciter of the degenerate loyalist death squads that targeted Catholics for nothing other than they happened to be baptised in that faith.

A man with a phony doctorate and the head of a religious sect he spawned himself. Paisley appealed to the most primal feelings of baseless fear and paranoia among the fools who listened to him. Continuously denouncing the Pope but acting as if he himself were infallible.

In the end he became involved in a peace process that was already a storm born wave about to break on a beach - he just surfed it to the sand to collect the trophy in the sun.

ask any of his catholic constituents what he was like and they will tell you the opposite

mikemac1

realies wrote: »

He stood for what he believed in

You can say that about pretty much any leader in the world

The KKK were god fearing men who stood for what they believed him
I could keep going.

Logical Fallacy

I imagine the doctors were surprised to learn he even had a heart.

He dealt in hate when hate was easy, and he dealt in peace when he had no other choice.

Don't get that **** twisted folks.

Sunnyisland

mikemac1 wrote: »

You can say that about pretty much any leader in the world

The KKK were god fearing men who stood for what they believed him
I could keep going.

When you start editing a part of my post and take out a part of it you can keep going.