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Would you prefer to speak Irish?

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    #152
    hondasam
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    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Logic and sport don't make good bed fellows.

    How passionate are you about your rugby?


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    #153
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,381 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Yes i would love to be able to speak Irish fluently, but having had to read "Peig" for the 1992 Leaving Cert was a fate worse than death. Things are probably different now and maybe they make the language more interesting.


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    #154
    Cú Giobach
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    Namlub wrote: »
    She writes, in English.
    What language would you expect in an English language forum?
    Would you find it odd if someone posted "Englisch ist meine Sprache" in a conversation over on a German language forum?


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    #155
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Namlub wrote: »
    She writes, in English.

    who writes in English?


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    #156
    Namlub
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    Cú Giobach wrote: »
    What language would you expect in an English language forum?
    Would you find it odd if someone posted "Englisch ist meine Sprache" in a conversation over on a German language forum?
    Yeah, I was being facetious.
    hondasam wrote: »
    who writes in English?
    Seriously?


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    #157
    Cú Giobach
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    Namlub wrote: »
    Yeah, I was being facetious.
    I know, which is why I replied.


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    #158
    Micky Dolenz
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    hondasam wrote: »
    How passionate are you about your rugby?

    On a scale of 1 to 10?

    About 12.


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    #159
    elefant
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    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Yes i would love to be able to speak Irish fluently, but having had to read "Peig" for the 1992 Leaving Cert was a fate worse than death. Things are probably different now and maybe they make the language more interesting.

    It's still taught badly, and very badly in my opinion. And that's nothing against the teachers themselves, I had excellent Irish teachers.

    My problem is with 16 and 17 year olds who are still learning the language, still learning words and grammar and unable to read newspapers or novels in the language, who would struggle to hold a conversation with a native Irish speaker on the street, having to read plays and poems and talk about similes and onomatopoeia. Just teach them to converse in Irish, and if they want to learn about Irish literature then let them chose. Make learning a language about actually being able to use it, rather than just as a vehicle for getting points in an exam.


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    #160
    44leto
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    I would love to be able to speak Irish and I keep intending to learn. But I am also glad English is our national tongue.


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    #161
    Sunnyisland
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    No its not, English is our language.


    Irish is given recognition by the Constitution of Ireland as the national and first official language of the Republic of Ireland (with English being a second official language).


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    #162
    philologos
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    realies wrote: »
    Irish is given recognition by the Constitution of Ireland as the national and first official language of the Republic of Ireland (with English being a second official language).

    As true as that is, what is the defacto (in practice) primary language of Ireland?

    Hands down it is English.


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    #163
    Sunnyisland
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    philologos wrote: »
    As true as that is, what is the defacto (in practice) primary language of Ireland?

    Hands down it is English.


    Yes it is which is more of a pity imo.







    Irish was the predominant language of the Irish people for most of their recorded history, and they brought their Gaelic speech with them to other countries, notably Scotland and the Isle of Man, where it gave rise to Scottish Gaelic and Manx. It has the oldest vernacular literature in Western Europe. It began to decline under English and British rule after the seventeenth century,By the end of British rule, the language was spoken by less than 15% of the national population.


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    #164
    philologos
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    I don't see how it is a pity that we learned first one of the most useful, if not the most useful language in the world. I regard that as a blessing.

    Sure, Irish is culturally an interesting thing to look into, but if I'm to compare both on utility, it's English hands down.


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    #165
    Benny_Cake
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    Ideally we'd be bilingual, I'd love it if Irish was our first language (although it would mean I'd have to learn it) but there is no way we could go without English. In any case, English as spoken in this country is truly Irish, and is unique to us.


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    #166
    KeithAFC
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    I'd imagine more people would try to learn the language if it wasn't a propaganda tool by a certain political party.


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    #167
    Seachmall
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    I'd imagine more people would try to learn the language if it wasn't a propaganda tool by a certain political party.

    I think people associate Irish with being Irish faster than they do with Sinn Fein.

    Not you though, strange...


    :pac:


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    #168
    Sunnyisland
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    philologos wrote: »
    I don't see how it is a pity that we learned first one of the most useful, if not the most useful language in the world. I regard that as a blessing.

    Sure, Irish is culturally an interesting thing to look into, but if I'm to compare both on utility, it's English hands down.


    If we had being allowed to keep our own language we still could have english as our second language if we so wished,Many other european countries use English in work but at home and socially they speak in there native tongue.


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    #169
    Immaculate Pasta
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    I'd imagine more people would try to learn the language if it wasn't a propaganda tool by a certain political party.

    Would you prefer to speak Ulster Scots over English KeithAFC?

    It'd be a great craic for all 10 of you :pac:


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    #170
    Chuck Stone
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    Seachmall wrote: »
    I think people associate Irish with being Irish faster than they do with Sinn Fein.

    Not you though, strange...


    :pac:

    I think you might be looking for this.


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    #171
    Sunnyisland
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    I'd imagine more people would try to learn the language if it wasn't a propaganda tool by a certain political party.



    How is it a propaganda tool ?

    O its you keith :rolleyes: In your mindset everyone who even speaks or likes Irish Anything has to be a hidden provo or die hard republican,


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    #172
    Sunnyisland
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    Immaculate Pasta wrote: »
    Would you prefer to speak Ulster Scots over English KeithAFC?

    It'd be a great craic for all 10 of you :pac:




    :D:D:D


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    #173
    philologos
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    realies wrote: »
    If we had being allowed to keep our own language we still could have english as our second language if we so wished,Many other european countries use English in work but at home and socially they speak in there native tongue.

    Irish is still spoken, but for pragmatic reasons it makes sense to most people that English is the primary defacto (in practice) language.


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    #174
    Sunnyisland
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    Seachmall wrote: »
    I think people associate Irish with being Irish faster than they do with Sinn Fein.

    Not you though, strange...


    :pac:



    Thats not strange at all.


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    #175
    KeithAFC
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    Immaculate Pasta wrote: »
    Would you prefer to speak Ulster Scots over English KeithAFC?

    It'd be a great craic for all 10 of you :pac:
    Kind of taken the option away from the original protectors of the language.


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    #176
    Liam Byrne
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    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Ta

    The "alt" key will give you the fada!


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    #177
    PhlegmyMoses
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    I'm a relatively fluent speaker - did it as part of my degree but haven't really spoken much since - and I would prefer to have Irish as a first language and English second on the proviso that we would speak English as well Irish. I wouldn't sacrifice the benefits our ability to speak English gives us just so we could speak Irish.


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    #178
    44leto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    The "alt" key will give you the fada!

    Testing testing

    no fada you lie.


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    #179
    Sunnyisland
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    philologos wrote: »
    Irish is still spoken, but for pragmatic reasons it makes sense to most people that English is the primary defacto (in practice) language.


    I am quite aware of that thanks but the original OP qustion was Would you rather have been born in an Ireland that spoke Irish rather than English and imo yes as we could still have got on with living & working in the wider world as most other non speaking english do.


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    #180
    44leto
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    PhlegmyMoses wrote: »
    I'm a relatively fluent speaker - did it as part of my degree but haven't really spoken much since - and I would prefer to have Irish as a first language and English second on the proviso that we would speak English as well Irish. I wouldn't sacrifice the benefits our ability to speak English gives us just so we could speak Irish.

    But the benefits of English are many, it is the primary second language of most the world and more are presently learning it then speaks it. Also its why we get so much American investments.


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    #181
    Seachmall
    Registered Users Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    The "alt" key will give you the fada!

    ©ººL

    (ºLº)


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