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Dash cam saves your ass (no Roundabout stuff please :)

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    #7442
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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    #7443
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    Patww79 wrote: »
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    so you are waiting to turn right out on a main road and a guy comes towards you from the right indicating left......, you would trust the indicator that he is turning? It's no good after the event, saying "you were wrong", you have to ensure your own safety by taking into account all the circumstances.... you can't rely on what may be a false indication.

    Your problem is that word "completely" he's not completely wrong at all


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    #7444
    Jesus.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭Jesus.


    Patww79 wrote: »
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    No. I wasn't commenting on the video clip. I was commenting on your assertion that you should always indicate no matter what. Now anyone with an ounce of sense would know that such a blanket statement is silly. Like if I'm driving up a boreen in the dead of night and there isn't a sinner awake or alive for 20 square miles, I should be indicating into the driveway???

    Don't be so daft


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    #7445
    OldMrBrennan83
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    #7446
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    no, the habit you get into is checking your mirrors...if there's noone there, theres no point in signalling.


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    #7447
    Pov06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Pov06


    Jesus. wrote: »
    No. I wasn't commenting on the video clip. I was commenting on your assertion that you should always indicate no matter what. Now anyone with an ounce of sense would know that such a blanket statement is silly. Like if I'm driving up a boreen in the dead of night and there isn't a sinner awake or alive for 20 square miles, I should be indicating into the driveway???

    Don't be so daft

    Well that's common sense really :pac:


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    #7448
    Seasoft
    Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭Seasoft


    corktina wrote: »
    no, the habit you get into is checking your mirrors...if there's noone there, theres no point in signalling.

    Sad to say that this attitude by so many drivers shows why pedestrians and cyclists are often not taken into consideration during manoeuvres.


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    #7449
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    if they aren't there, how do you take them into consideration?


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    #7450
    MiskyBoyy
    Registered Users Posts: 8,798 ✭✭✭MiskyBoyy


    Personally I'd constantly be checking my mirrors and indicating regardless of who's around even if I'm in a city centre or the middle of nowhere.

    I say... MORE VIDEOS, LESS CHATTING :D


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    #7451
    Turtle-TM
    Registered Users Posts: 384 ✭✭Turtle-TM


    nothing too exciting, just the usual poor merging, and slow driving on the m50, at least he stayed in the driving lane!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh0VWXIfBl0


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    #7452
    Long Time Lurker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭Long Time Lurker


    Turtle-TM wrote: »
    nothing too exciting, just the usual poor merging, and slow driving on the m50, at least he stayed in the driving lane!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh0VWXIfBl0

    Gotta be honest, you were not thinking ahead there at all. The guy merged. What was he supposed to do? Stop! You should have anticipated the merge, moved to the outside lane, passed the person merging then pulled back in. Instead you probably caused a ripple of brake lights for 100s of yards back, possibly caused an accident and ended up looking like a bit of a bell end for posting a video of yourself being silly. I suggest some.driving lessons ;-)


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    #7453
    Turtle-TM
    Registered Users Posts: 384 ✭✭Turtle-TM


    Long Time Lurker wrote: »
    Gotta be honest, you were not thinking ahead there at all. The guy merged. What was he supposed to do? Stop! You should have anticipated the merge, moved to the outside lane, passed the person merging then pulled back in. Instead you probably caused a ripple of brake lights for 100s of yards back, possibly caused an accident and ended up looking like a bit of a bell end for posting a video of yourself being silly. I suggest some.driving lessons ;-)

    If you view the video again you may see that had the person who illegally crossed the hatched markings into traffic travelling at motorway speeds at approx 70 kph was ever so slightly more at fault :confused: should I take from your post that you would suggest swerving into the overtaking lane when there were clearly other cars there?


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    #7454
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    that's all well and good, but it's an acceleration lane, you are supposed match your speed to the main line traffic and merge seamlessly. It looked to me as if the guy merging had cut from the left hand merge lane to the right merge lane and then to no1 lane on the main line. Sloppy to say the least.


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    #7455
    jay48
    Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭jay48


    Turtle-TM wrote: »
    If you view the video again you may see that had the person who illegally crossed the hatched markings into traffic travelling at motorway speeds at approx 70 kph was ever so slightly more at fault :confused: should I take from your post that you would suggest swerving into the overtaking lane when there were clearly other cars there?
    In fairness , if there is traffic trying to merge you should change lane and let them out if you can , if you can't you should be adjusting your speed to avoid conflict with the merging car . A lot of the merging lanes are too short on the m50 , the car merging can't stop , you should plan ahead and avoid getting into the situation in the first place .

    Edit - yeah just copped the lad cut across from the other lane , thought he was in the right merging lane originally , bad move on his part


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    #7456
    Turtle-TM
    Registered Users Posts: 384 ✭✭Turtle-TM


    jay48 wrote: »
    In fairness , if there is traffic trying to merge you should change lane and let them out if you can , if you can't you should be adjusting your speed to avoid conflict with the merging car . A lot of the merging lanes are too short on the m50 , the car merging can't stop , you should plan ahead and avoid getting into the situation in the first place .

    If the person had used the lane he was in as intended then he could have merged safely behind me at the correct speed


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    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    he did let him out he had little choice! the guy just wandered across on to lane one, illegaly crossing the crosshatchings as he did. There was overtaking traffic, he wasn't able to move over.


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    #7458
    CiniO
    Registered Users Posts: 16,089 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    RainyDay wrote: »
    Defensive driver training suggests differently. The advise I got was that you know absolutely without exception if there is anyone behind to see your indicator. If there is no-one to see it, don't waste your time indicating.

    Indicators must be used no matter if someone is watching them or not - over.


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    #7459
    mac.in
    Registered Users Posts: 594 ✭✭✭mac.in


    TwoShedsJackson wrote: »
    That or he wanted to shame himself by posting a video of him driving in the middle lane with the left lane clear.

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    Your observation needs the assistance of either/both specsavers or driving lessons for you missed the above scene.:D


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    #7460
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    RainyDay wrote: »
    Defensive driver training suggests differently. The advise I got was that you know absolutely without exception if there is anyone behind to see your indicator. If there is no-one to see it, don't waste your time indicating.



    What about people in front or to your side?


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    #7461
    Plopli
    Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭Plopli


    RainyDay wrote: »
    Defensive driver training suggests differently. The advise I got was that you know absolutely without exception if there is anyone behind to see your indicator. If there is no-one to see it, don't waste your time indicating.

    Defensive driver training, roadcraft, ROSPA, skid control training and the such are for people who like driving and want to be better, more efficient at it.
    I think most people do not like it, even professional drivers.
    They do it because it's more convenient that the alternative or they have no choice (everyone need to find some money at the end of the month).
    And like most thing, if you do not like doing it, you will most probably never be good at it.

    As far as I dread the full automated car (as I think that as some point, some authority will rule that 'manual' vehicles are not allowed on the road anymore and that will kill all the pleasure of driving or motorbiking), for the majority, it will be a good thing.


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    GrumpyMe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭GrumpyMe


    mac.in wrote: »

    Your observation needs the assistance of either/both specsavers or driving lessons for you missed the above scene.:D

    It was a 23 second clip and you were undertaken at +/- 10 seconds in. Far too long to hog the centre lane.
    Your overhead signs are 18 seconds in.
    At motorway speed that is undertake after 333m and signs are at 600m from start of clip. And since you started in the centre lane, I presume you were hogging it for considerably longer!

    I wonder, what is stuck on your windscreen with masking tape? Could it be a N plate?
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    #7463
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    it's one of my pet hates on that road. People fear the merges, (rather than getting used to them) so they stay in the middle lane all the way along that stretch on the flimsy excuse that they are going straight on at the Douglas turnoff.

    I think you are right about the N plate....ironic that a novice should be on here with the Holier than Thou dashcam .


    On the evidence I'd say that there is a fair chance that the car he claims cut in too soon did so because he was hogging the central lane at too slow a speed, kind of making a point by doing so......


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    #7464
    GrumpyMe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭GrumpyMe


    ...if there's no one there, theres no point in signalling...
    Unfortunately a large percentage of drivers apply the "...theres no point in signalling..." part regardless of whether there is anyone around to see it.
    ...that you know absolutely without exception if there is anyone behind to see your indicator...
    Those who have successfully completed advanced or defensive driving courses may be competent enough to be so aware but far too many drivers drive without paying attention to the task at hand.
    There are some great examples of advanced/defensive driving on those "Motorway Cops" / "Road Wars" type programmes. The camera shots of the police drivers taken from the dash in front illustrates some the type of drivers, and driver behaviour that may be aware enough to omit indicating. They are the exceptional few!


    At to the use mirrors suggestion - well I use my fingers to activate the indicators, my eyes to use the mirrors and my brain to control both as I multi-task! No wasted effort!;)


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    #7465
    RainyDay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    What about people in front or to your side?
    A touch pedantic? Yes, if there is anyone around you (front, side, behind), you should use your indicator, according to the advanced driver training that I did. If there is no-one around, you don't need to indicate.

    Patww79 wrote: »
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    Patww79 wrote: »
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    Habits are a mixed blessing. Driving with full awareness of exactly who is around you is better than habit.
    CiniO wrote: »
    Indicators must be used no matter if someone is watching them or not - over.
    Says who? Is this your opinion or what?


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    #7466
    IP freely
    Registered Users Posts: 393 ✭✭IP freely


    Jaysus lads would ye stop, above anything else I'm running out of popcorn!


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    #7467
    AndyBoBandy
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 14,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    I remember when this thread used to have videos posted in it!


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    #7468
    Falcon L
    Closed Accounts Posts: 891 ✭✭✭Falcon L


    You have a good memory then. Maybe we need a seperate 'indicator' thread.


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    #7469
    K.Flyer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    RainyDay wrote: »
    A touch pedantic? Yes, if there is anyone around you (front, side, behind), you should use your indicator, according to the advanced driver training that I did. If there is no-one around, you don't need to indicate.
    CiniO wrote: »
    Indicators must be used no matter if someone is watching them or not - over.

    Says who? Is this your opinion or what?

    Rules of the Road says..
    How to change lanes safely
    If you have good reason to change lanes, use your mirrors and check in plenty of time to ensure that the way is clear.
    To check your blind spot when travelling at speed, take a quick sideways glance to check the position of a vehicle that may have disappeared from your view in the mirror.
    Signal your intention and change lane when it is clear and safe to do so.

    Nothing there about "...but if there is no-one around, then you don't have to"


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    #7470
    mac.in
    Registered Users Posts: 594 ✭✭✭mac.in


    GrumpyMe wrote: »
    It was a 23 second clip and you were undertaken at +/- 10 seconds in. Far too long to hog the centre lane.
    Your overhead signs are 18 seconds in.
    At motorway speed that is undertake after 333m and signs are at 600m from start of clip. And since you started in the centre lane, I presume you were hogging it for considerably longer!

    Yes, it's a 23 second clip. If one carefully observes, there are two merging lanes that merges till 12s. At 12s one can clear see the gantry. So, I stayed in the 2nd lane (middle lane). The car that undertook me actually merged into the road from one of the merging lanes.
    GrumpyMe wrote: »
    I wonder, what is stuck on your windscreen with masking tape? Could it be a N plate?
    154ede9.jpg

    It's the N plate.


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    #7471
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    Indeed you did stay in the middle lane, quite unnecessarily.

    People are forever doing this , especially people driving too slow for the traffic conditions who leave people merging a problem....do they slow down and merge behind you and then change lanes twice to the outer lane to pass you , or do they continue as they are and undertake? The slowcoach also poses a problem for people on the main line, correctly in lane 1 as they will have to change lanes twice to overtake.

    Both these instances are in your video I think

    PS your N plate and all that masking tape are a hazard as they restrict your vision.


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