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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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    #2822
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Am Chile wrote: »
    While I haven,t seen the full leaflet,I have seen the cover of it, it looks something like a holiday brochure.

    Streetlights, parks, and libraries.
    None of those out my way.

    Strangely Germanic looking youth on the front as well.


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    #2823
    Ogham
    Registered Users Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Ogham


    More about the leaflet here - see the full copy
    http://www.moneyguideireland.com/household-charge-leaflets-going-out-this-week.html

    Its headed " BETTER COMMUNITIES START AT YOUR DOORSTEP"

    To be honest it's not going to put much fear into people - no mention of fines or anything like that.


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    #2824
    Attabear
    Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭Attabear


    tayto lover wrote: »
    R.T.E. are the Government mouthpieces. They show what they are told to. It's worse than China or 1960's Russia of late.

    Ah now. A bit of an exaggeration there. No?


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    #2825
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Ogham wrote: »
    More about the leaflet here - see the full copy
    http://www.moneyguideireland.com/household-charge-leaflets-going-out-this-week.html

    Its headed " BETTER COMMUNITIES START AT YOUR DOORSTEP"

    To be honest it's not going to put much fear into people - no mention of fines or anything like that.

    There is mention of penalties for late payment.

    I can see thousands of these going straight into peoples bins without them even being looked at.

    The paragraph on where the €100 will be spent is a joke,I doubt very much we'll see one single new amenity being built as a result of this tax.
    It talks of funding street cleaning etc. and all the while the government are to introduce budget cuts to local authorities-doesn't add up imo.


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    #2826
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    It'll probably get kicked down the road a bit and then in their 4th year in office and with the IMF just gone out the door it'll be scrapped in order to buy the next election!
    Irish politics at its best!
    I thought that the IMF have mandated that we introduce a property tax (and this is a precursor)?


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    #2827
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    dvpower wrote: »
    I thought that the IMF have mandated that we introduce a property tax (and this is a precursor)?
    "and with the IMF just gone out the door"! They won't control us forever!


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    #2828
    Allround Predator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭Allround Predator


    Facts are, everyone on this tread will pay the charges, everyone in Ireland will pay the charges, and do you know why? Because everyone will just sit at home complaining and moaning about it, but wont actually do nothing about it. If the Irish government brought out a tax on the air we breed the same thing would happen, we would all pay eventually, we are the only country in Europe that takes **** like this lying down. If this was France there would be riots, it wouldn't happen there or anywhere else in Europe, nobody else would stand for it, only the Irish do!!! People can complain and moan about the government bringing in taxes on this and that but at the end of the day we only have ourselves to blame, and do you know why? Because we let them do it too us!!


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    #2829
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    dvpower wrote: »
    I thought that the IMF have mandated that we introduce a property tax (and this is a precursor)?

    They actually didn't.I got that info from a TD so make of it what you will.

    The government are using the IMF as an excuse to introduce this tax when all along the IMF have never sanctioned or even mentioned the need for a property tax.


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    #2830
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    mikom wrote: »
    I'm calling it here now........ no more that 20% will have paid this tax by the final day.
    Anyone else care to give an educated guess.
    I think it'll be a lot higher than 20% - even among the people who voted in this poll (who are liable to pay) 34% say they will pay and a further 16% are Don't Knows.
    I expect the general population to be far more compliant than Boards users.

    Once the leaflets get delivered, the deadline draws closer and there is more coverage in the media, I expect a big pick up in registrations. I'd guesstimate is between 40% and 50% by the first week in March.


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    #2831
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Allround Predator wrote: »
    Facts are, everyone on this tread will pay the charges, everyone in Ireland will pay the charges, and do you know why? Because everyone will just sit at home complaining and moaning about it, but wont actually do nothing about it. If the Irish government brought out a tax on the air we breed the same thing would happen, we would all pay eventually, we are the only country in Europe that takes **** like this lying down. If this was France there would be riots, it wouldn't happen there or anywhere else in Europe, nobody else would stand for it, only the Irish do!!! People can complain and moan about the government bringing in taxes on this and that but at the end of the day we only have ourselves to blame, and do you know why? Because we let them do it too us!!

    We don't need to riot, just don't pay it!

    SIPTU have called for it to be scrapped and everyone knows that the unions here tell the government what to do.


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    #2832
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    We don't need to riot, just don't pay it!

    True and you don't even have to leave the house,besides with the price of petrol these days, the molotov cocktails are gona be made from baby Powers bottles and not much good for rioting with.


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    #2833
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    zerks wrote: »
    They actually didn't.I got that info from a TD so make of it what you will.

    Its on page 34 of the MOU


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    #2834
    Allround Predator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭Allround Predator


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    We don't need to riot, just don't pay it!

    SIPTU have called for it to be scrapped and everyone knows that the unions here tell the government what to do.

    I never said anything about starting a riot! I just meant that in France the people don't let their government screw them the way we do. My point is that everyone here is saying that they wont pay the household charges when in the end everyone here will! Every time a new tax comes in everyone says they won't pay it but eventually they do!!


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    #2835
    Cantona's Collars
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    dvpower wrote: »
    Its on page 34 of the MOU

    It's not mentioned anywhere there.Did you read it? Only thing of real importance to the general public is a call for action to help those on low incomes or social welfare. A €100 tax is hardly going to help them is it?


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    #2836
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Allround Predator wrote: »
    I never said anything about starting a riot! I just meant that in France the people don't let their government screw them the way we do. My point is that everyone here is saying that they wont pay the household charges when in the end everyone here will! Every time a new tax comes in everyone says they won't pay it but eventually they do!!
    Will you pay it?


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    #2837
    Allround Predator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭Allround Predator


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Will you pay it?

    I don't want to pay it, but I guess I'll have to when I'm the only person In Ireland left who hasn't payed it!


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    #2838
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Allround Predator wrote: »
    I don't want to pay it, but I guess I'll have to when I'm the only person In Ireland left who hasn't payed it!
    Ah, but sure if everyone thinks like that......
    Just DON'T register, let them come looking for it. If you register for it you've given your consent.
    And trust me, you'll get a lot of BS on here from others trying to frighten you into paying it.
    Make up your own mind!


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    #2839
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    zerks wrote: »
    It's not mentioned anywhere there.Did you read it? Only thing of real importance to the general public is a call for action to help those on low incomes or social welfare. A €100 tax is hardly going to help them is it?
    Seen it on page 32. 1 line about it.


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    #2840
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Seen it on page 32. 1 line about it.

    Ah,your original post said page 34.A lot of that stuff is from proposals put forward by the government and not actually from the IMF.
    The gist of most of the document is "here's what we plan to do in order to get ourselves out of the hole we're in"
    I see a hike in the Carbon Tax is on the cards-that's the Greens legacy there and should be scrapped.


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    #2841
    jezko
    Registered Users Posts: 454 ✭✭jezko


    Potential-Monke wrote: »
    I'll pay it as long as everyone else has to pay it. No exemptions.

    Would you include GOD's House? ... or is he/she Exempt?


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    #2842
    Am Chile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Am Chile


    Allround Predator wrote: »
    Facts are, everyone on this tread will pay the charges, everyone in Ireland will pay the charges, and do you know why? Because everyone will just sit at home complaining and moaning about it, but wont actually do nothing about it. If the Irish government brought out a tax on the air we breed the same thing would happen, we would all pay eventually, we are the only country in Europe that takes **** like this lying down. If this was France there would be riots, it wouldn't happen there or anywhere else in Europe, nobody else would stand for it, only the Irish do!!! People can complain and moan about the government bringing in taxes on this and that but at the end of the day we only have ourselves to blame, and do you know why? Because we let them do it too us!!

    Out of Interest have you being to any anti household tax public meetings and seen the anger that,s out there among people?









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    #2843
    Allround Predator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭Allround Predator


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Ah, but sure if everyone thinks like that......
    Just DON'T register, let them come looking for it. If you register for it you've given your consent.
    And trust me, you'll get a lot of BS on here from others trying to frighten you into paying it.
    Make up your own mind!

    I have already made my mind up not to pay it, but this is something everybody has to do or it just wont work, and it will work if everyone does it, but I'm afraid to many people will give in to the new tax and we'll all have to cough up.


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    #2844
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    I was at the Enniscorthy meeting and there was a lot of anger,here's one video of the meeting.There are others,simply click 'watch on youtube to see the rest.

    Mick Wallace alludes to Fine Gaels opposition to a household tax when Fianna Fail proposed bringing in one,how the worm has turned.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32YxsYb2Bh4


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    #2845
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Allround Predator wrote: »
    I have already made my mind up not to pay it, but this is something everybody has to do or it just wont work, and it will work if everyone does it, but I'm afraid to many people will give in to the new tax and we'll all have to cough up.
    Even if 50% don't register, that's 900,000 households. That would bring an already clogged up courts system to its knees. BTW only 5% have registered so far.


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    #2846
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    dvpower wrote: »

    Once the leaflets get delivered, the deadline draws closer and there is more coverage in the media, I expect a big pick up in registrations. I'd guesstimate is between 40% and 50% by the first week in March.

    At 40% that would require 536,000 to pay between now and the first week in March.
    That's 28,000 a day.
    Not gonna happen


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    #2847
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    mikom wrote: »
    At 40% that would require 536,000 to pay between now and the first week in March.
    That's 28,000 a day.
    Not gonna happen
    Everyone should take those leaflets, mark a big X across them, put them in an envelope and send them to our local TD's. Someone will have to open them and then they might, just might, start listening!


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    #2848
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    Mr Beard from STIPU was on encouraging the ''don't register, don't pay'' campaign. SF have also showed face. I guess that just leaves the hapless twits of FF.


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    #2849
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    I can't see everyone paying it as some here say they can.
    Some will obviously hold out as long as possible till the threatening letters come through the letterbox - then get scared and cough-up. That part is inevitable to some extent.
    Others will be die-hards and just not pay.
    Now as to what final percentage will not ultimately pay, is another question.

    Anyone that thinks all will pay, is certainly fooling themselves.


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    #2850
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Everyone should take those leaflets, mark a big X across them, put them in an envelope and send them to our local TD's. Someone will have to open them and then they might, just might, start listening!

    Wooderson: Man, it’s the same bull**** they tried to pull in my day.
    You know if it ain’t that piece of paper it’s some other choice they’re going to try and make for you.
    You gotta do what Randall ‘Pink’ Floyd wants to do man.
    And let me tell you this. The older you do get, the more rules they going to try to get you to follow.
    You just gotta keep livin’ man. L.I.V.I.N.

    Slater: Man, if you’re going to sign that paper man. You should throw a little grass right in the middle man. Roll it up. Sign the joint man. That’s going to tell them something.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls_8cFgBUj4


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    #2851
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    96% of people didn't pay at all last time. That was 1996


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