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_Kaiser_

So TNG's "A Matter of Perspective" just started on SyFy here and the pre-credits sequence has Picard and 2 other crew painting a model when Data arrives with a status update.

Picard invites him to examine the paintings and when he gets to Picard's, Data's hesitation to be honest in his critique is clear. The "problem" though is that as an emotionless android at this point,
Data should just rattle off his opinion regardless but as is it's just inconsistent (even though it's played for humor by the writers)

In any case, Picard should stick to archaeology and the flute it seems

degrassinoel

The sideways glance he gave Picard was hilarious

_Kaiser_

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

So TNG's "A Matter of Perspective" just started on SyFy here and the pre-credits sequence has Picard and 2 other crew painting a model when Data arrives with a status update.

Picard invites him to examine the paintings and when he gets to Picard's, Data's hesitation to be honest in his critique is clear. The "problem" though is that as an emotionless android at this point,
Data should just rattle off his opinion regardless but as is it's just inconsistent (even though it's played for humor by the writers)

In any case, Picard should stick to archaeology and the flute it seems

Data may be emotionless but he is conscious of the emotions of others. He's not like a Vulcan who revel in causing discomfort

IvySlayer

Deleted User wrote: »

Data may be emotionless but he is conscious of the emotions of others. He's not like a Vulcan who revel in causing discomfort

That's why he deliberately lost to Troi at chess.

To make her feel better

Right?

368100

degrassinoel wrote: »

Oh lord, which is worse?

Fairhaven
Captain Proton
Hirogen Nazi's
the one with the clown and Harry Kim..

Cant remember any of the others, but they were always bollocks

Captain proton without a doubt!!

Is the clown and harry kim the one where they're all in pods and connected into another reality and the clown is "fear"? If so I thought that was a great episode!

368100

368100 wrote: »

Captain proton without a doubt!!

Is the clown and harry kim the one where they're all in pods and connected into another reality and the clown is "fear"? If so I thought that was a great episode!

Agree with the clown one but the Fairhaven was by far the worst.

The Proton was cheesy as hell but had great throwback to pulp Sci-Fi, the Farihaven though was just as bad as TNG: Code of Honour (IMHO)

AMKC

368100 wrote: »

Captain proton without a doubt!!

Is the clown and harry kim the one where they're all in pods and connected into another reality and the clown is "fear"? If so I thought that was a great episode!

Yep that is the one alright. I also think it was quiet a good episode certainly there is a lot of worse Voyager episodes like Captain Proton a terrible episode that.

Inviere

Tng is 30 years old this year. That means the same amount of time has passed between when tng started and now, as has passed between tos and the movie first contact :eek:

TheIrishGrover

I actually liked the first Captain Proton episode. Thought it was a bit of fun. The Bareshaven episodes fill me with wrath though......

Inviere

Just finished the finale of Battlestar Galactica....Christ almighty, it makes Voyager and Enterprise look like something that should have been shown on Nickelodeon. I say that as a 20 year fan of all things Star Trek.

The_Valeyard

Inviere wrote: »

Just finished the finale of Battlestar Galactica....Christ almighty, it makes Voyager and Enterprise look like something that should have been shown on Nickelodeon. I say that as a 20 year fan of all things Star Trek.

BSG is really a Space Opera.

Inviere

The_Valeyard wrote: »

BSG is really a Space Opera.

Perhaps, though it managed to pull off an amazing amount of themes, arcs, writing, drama, tension, and human condition stuff, in just over half the amount of seasons that Voyager had, and the same that Enterprise had. If anything, BSG highlights just how safe Berman & co played things, and ultimately, how badly they failed with the franchise. This isn't a **** on Star Trek post btw, as above, I'm a long term fan, but was absolutely blown away by BSG. So much so that it makes Stargate Universe practically unwatchable now, which was another show I'd previously had a fondness for.

Kiith

If anyone is looking for something like BSG, watch The Expanse. It's the best new sci-fi show i've seen in years.

ScumLord

Kiith wrote: »

If anyone is looking for something like BSG, watch The Expanse. It's the best new sci-fi show i've seen in years.

I wasn't impressed. It's another case of enforcing a writers fantasy on a future that will never exist because it just doesn't make any sense. Maybe I missed something, but is there a reason people are doing jobs that have already been automated? It's a future based on right now, it makes very little effort to show a realistic future because they want noir detectives and need something for the terrorists to get upset about.

I just don't buy into the whole social setup in the show.

The_Valeyard

Inviere wrote: »

Perhaps, though it managed to pull off an amazing amount of themes, arcs, writing, drama, tension, and human condition stuff, in just over half the amount of seasons that Voyager had, and the same that Enterprise had. If anything, BSG highlights just how safe Berman & co played things, and ultimately, how baldly they failed with the franchise. This isn't a **** on Star Trek post btw, as above, I'm a long term fan, but was absolutely blown away by BSG. So much so that it makes Stargate Universe practically unwatchable now, which was another show I'd previously had a fondness for.

I have all the lads and soundtracks to it.

The music by Bear McCeary for that show was amazing.

The_Valeyard

Kiith wrote: »

If anyone is looking for something like BSG, watch The Expanse. It's the best new sci-fi show i've seen in years.

I really enjoyed it. Especially the Mormons.


And the mystery of what's going on is well worth a watch


Some of the scenery of future earth was breath taking.

Inviere

ScumLord wrote: »

I wasn't impressed. It's another case of enforcing a writers fantasy on a future that will never exist because it just doesn't make any sense. Maybe I missed something, but is there a reason people are doing jobs that have already been automated? It's a future based on right now, it makes very little effort to show a realistic future because they want noir detectives and need something for the terrorists to get upset about.

I just don't buy into the whole social setup in the show.

I haven't watched it yet, but it sounds like they want to write about things people watching today can relate to? Must give it a watch...

Samuel T. Cogley

Inviere wrote: »

Just finished the finale of Battlestar Galactica....Christ almighty, it makes Voyager and Enterprise look like something that should have been shown on Nickelodeon. I say that as a 20 year fan of all things Star Trek.

BSG broke me in terms of Trek. It was so good, it was so well written, so well scored, so well acted. It was just a couple of years too early. The UK got it first and Sky was actually instrumental in getting the mini series going. It was just prior to simultaneous broadcast and downloads killed the ratings.

I have to admire RDM's decision to end it when he did rather than gamble on a 5th season.

Cookie_Monster

Inviere wrote: »

Just finished the finale of Battlestar Galactica....Christ almighty, it makes Voyager and Enterprise look like something that should have been shown on Nickelodeon. I say that as a 20 year fan of all things Star Trek.

BSG is good but it goes way off the reservation in the later series and I found it a struggle to watch at times.

Samuel T. Cogley

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

BSG is good but it goes way off the reservation in the later series and I found it a struggle to watch at times.

Loved every second I have to say!

degrassinoel

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

BSG is good but it goes way off the reservation in the later series and I found it a struggle to watch at times.

Writers guild strikes and cancellations are to blame for that, sadly. Sci-fi channel, back when it was called that have a lot to answer for with the current state of tv science fiction

The_Valeyard

degrassinoel wrote: »

Writers guild strikes and cancellations are to blame for that, sadly. Sci-fi channel, back when it was called that have a lot to answer for with the current state of tv science fiction

Sci-Fi channel nearly killed off Sci Fi for crappy in fashion B movies.

Inviere

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

BSG is good but it goes way off the reservation in the later series and I found it a struggle to watch at times.

You say that as if Voyager & Enterprise aren't a struggle at times Joking aside, can't say I agree...I thought the arcs in BSG played out beautifully, just the right amount of reveals, just the right amount of "you figure it out", and just the right amount of pace for it all to bind together to make a fluid and dynamic viewing experience. As I mentioned, it demonstrates just how safe Berman played things when consider the stupid things they done in Voyager, versus what they could have done...and don't even get me started on Enterprise...Nickelodeon material really.

Samuel T. Cogley

... liked Enterprise too /hides :pac:

Edit: Especially the latter series or so.

Beefy78

BSG got lost up its own arsehole a couple of times in its second half but it is still a masterful piece of television and way better than anything that Trek has done since Deep Space Nine. It's also a glimpse at the show that Voyager should have been.

Inviere

Libertarian Kant wrote: »

... liked Enterprise too /hides :pac:

Edit: Especially the latter series or so.

I've enjoyed and been defensive of Enterprise in the past, however, on my most recent run through (which was before watching BSG for the first time), I must say it hasn't held up well at all. It's a proper, proper, slog to watch now I feel.

Beefy78 wrote: »

BSG got lost up its own arsehole a couple of times in its second half but it is still a masterful piece of television and way better than anything that Trek has done since Deep Space Nine. It's also a glimpse at the show that Voyager should have been.

Agreed, and while Voyager never needed a scope quite as large as BSG, they could have done so, so much more with it. I'm half way through DS9 at the mo and it's held up excellently, and indeed while DS9 has a tiny scope in comparison to BSG, it still manages to tell its story in a very encompassing way. That's helped greatly by the stellar cast too, the characters and chemistry they shared was fantastic, from regulars to recurring, brilliant stuff.

ScumLord

DS9 just had the characters. Odo and quark could have had their own sitcom. worf got even better as a character and the religious stuff still rings true today.

Samuel T. Cogley

Rewatching through (in time line order starting at Enterprise) in prep for discovery.

I have to say some of the ridiculous T'Pol sexy stuff might get it thrown off Nickelodeon! :pac: That decon chamber is in that show for one reason and one reason only and those blue PJ's don't seem very practical let alone logical

degrassinoel

the fun doesnt stop in the decon chamber with T'pol either, any chance she gets ,she's a catsuit on, stalking the corridors of the Enterprise.. and then there's the "vulcan nerve pressure" stuff. Softcore T'porn.