GAA Infastructure

J Cheever Loophole

munchkin_utd wrote: »

why is that a problem?

The 2 covered stands along the pitch will likely cater for 20,000+spectators between them which is plenty for all but the very odd midsummer championship clash.

The weather can get very inclement up here during the summer. The problem therefore will arise for those who are sitting out in the pouring rain in a very expensive stadium!

Given the money spent, I was hoping for something totally new to the GAA, i.e. a major ground with covered spectator accommodation on four sides - a minimum requirement surely?

Prop Joe

cormac halpin wrote: »

The GAA has a plethora of white elephants around the country at this stage,

I dunno,I think the GAA should start upgrading facilities of all county grounds.

I think it would be great to take the Championship on a tour of the country.

An All Ireland semi in Belfast or Castlebar would be a great occasion.

Also i think the GAA should look to get more events in the county grounds.

Katie Taylor boxing in Markievicz Park

Tyson Fury boxing in Pearse Stadium

We have seen The Boss confirm for Nowlan Park imagine getting more concerts for county grounds.

Pete_Cavan

GAA confirms details of €9m development at National Sports Campus;

http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/0706131031-gaa-confirms-details-of-its-development-at-national-sports-campus/

The new facility will include four full size pitches including one to the scale of Croke Park; a full size 3G training facility; a hurling wall; a state-of-the-art pavilion to include 10 changing rooms, a viewing gallery for 350 people and ancillary space to cater for offices, meeting rooms, physiotherapy, a gym and a canteen. Parking spaces for 256 cars and eights coaches have also been included.

The decision by the government to install the common infrastructure and give sporting bodies their own section to develop their own facilites themselves was a good one, we would have to wait a lot longer for the government to develop it. GAA, IRFU, FAI and Irish Hockey Association were all allocated sites and the GAA seems to be the first to act on theirs. Good to see this moving ahead, it will be an important resource if county teams are looking to train in Dublin. Suggestions are that the Dublin County Board will manage the facility for the GAA with Dublin teams based here and Dublins own Centre of Excellence put on the long finger.

It is also good for sport nationally to see progress being made on the National Sports Campus. Only a few weeks ago 19 national governing bodies moved into a building at the National Sports Campus. Hopefully other organisations will follow the GAAs lead and we will see more developments on the site.

Pete_Cavan

The redevelopment of Casement Park seems to be moving ahead, with consultations held during March and April, including consultations for clubs, county boards and individual members outside of Belfast which is interesting; http://www.casementpark.ie/local-resident-information/upcomingcommunityconsultationevents

With over £61m secured from the Northern Ireland Executive, the project looks to be advancing at a good pace. More renders of the completed stadium and details on the design and layout of the stadium are available here. Interesting that in the Consultation Boards link, the Andersonstown Road stand has no roof but does in the drawings. According to the layout drawings, the player, media and medical facilities, as well as the carpark will be below the Andersonstown Road ground level to allow them to extend to the extremities of the site, with the general concourse level at road level. The playing surface will also be below the road level.

InchicoreDude

Prop Joe wrote: »

I dunno,I think the GAA should start upgrading facilities of all county grounds.

I think it would be great to take the Championship on a tour of the country.

An All Ireland semi in Belfast or Castlebar would be a great occasion.

That's a terrific idea. But the problem is for some (most?) all-ireland semi-finals, you have the potential to get 50k or more which only Croke Pk can manage to hold.

You are also denying players the opportunity of playing in Croke Pk, something they train all year for. I remember Galway won connacht a few years ago and there were murmurings at the time that the AI quarter-final would not be held in croke park (as Dublin were in another QF and because of the attendance they could get, they were not on a double header). But there was serious unhappiness amongst the Galway panel at the time. I think Padraig Joyce may have spoken about it in an interview mentioning that by winning connacht, all the panel expected to be playing in Croke Pk as the next step. I cant imagine how they would feel if they were sent to Castlebar to play that all-ireland quarter final! But then back in 2001, thats exactly where the quarter final was held....

Frankie Lee

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

GAA confirms details of €9m development at National Sports Campus;

http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/0706131031-gaa-confirms-details-of-its-development-at-national-sports-campus/




The decision by the government to install the common infrastructure and give sporting bodies their own section to develop their own facilites themselves was a good one, we would have to wait a lot longer for the government to develop it. GAA, IRFU, FAI and Irish Hockey Association were all allocated sites and the GAA seems to be the first to act on theirs. Good to see this moving ahead, it will be an important resource if county teams are looking to train in Dublin. Suggestions are that the Dublin County Board will manage the facility for the GAA with Dublin teams based here and Dublins own Centre of Excellence put on the long finger.

It is also good for sport nationally to see progress being made on the National Sports Campus. Only a few weeks ago 19 national governing bodies moved into a building at the National Sports Campus. Hopefully other organisations will follow the GAAs lead and we will see more developments on the site.

I'm all for the promotion of GAA in the capital and it is good to see the GAA take advantage of the land available but it is somewhat unfair that the wealthiest county board in the country get a centre of excellence built for them. Meanwhile other counties like Kildare are under severe financial strain after building theirs. I understand the facility will be available to all counties but it won't be practical for anyone apart from Dublin.

joebloggs32

Frankie Lee wrote: »

I'm all for the promotion of GAA in the capital and it is good to see the GAA take advantage of the land available but it is somewhat unfair that the wealthiest county board in the country get a centre of excellence built for them. Meanwhile other counties like Kildare are under severe financial strain after building theirs. I understand the facility will be available to all counties but it won't be practical for anyone apart from Dublin.

I couldn't agree with the you more.

munchkin_utd

Frankie Lee wrote: »

I'm all for the promotion of GAA in the capital and it is good to see the GAA take advantage of the land available but it is somewhat unfair that the wealthiest county board in the country get a centre of excellence built for them. Meanwhile other counties like Kildare are under severe financial strain after building theirs. I understand the facility will be available to all counties but it won't be practical for anyone apart from Dublin.

a lot of other counties built similar facilities with the windfall from the renting out of croke park.
It might be something to list here along with the provincial centres which were built and only opened very recently.

Pete_Cavan

Frankie Lee wrote: »

I'm all for the promotion of GAA in the capital and it is good to see the GAA take advantage of the land available but it is somewhat unfair that the wealthiest county board in the country get a centre of excellence built for them. Meanwhile other counties like Kildare are under severe financial strain after building theirs. I understand the facility will be available to all counties but it won't be practical for anyone apart from Dublin.

The article does say that the Dublin County Board will be contributing to the costs of developing facilities at Abbotstown, which other counties will not be doing.

Kildare being under severe financial strain is of their own making and most likely has a lot to do with other factors apart from just the centre of excellence. You have to question the logic of pumping a huge sum of money into the centre of excellenc, an asset which doesnt produce much income (in the short term at least) and leaving your stadium, which can produce income, to rot.

keane2097

Investing 9M into a centre of excellence for Dublin when the grassroots all over the country are crying out for investment is a scandal.

nice_guy80

munchkin_utd wrote: »

a lot of other counties built similar facilities with the windfall from the renting out of croke park.
It might be something to list here along with the provincial centres which were built and only opened very recently.

what money did the likes of Roscommon, Westmeath, Offaly and others get from Croke Park??

munchkin_utd

nice_guy80 wrote: »

what money did the likes of Roscommon, Westmeath, Offaly and others get from Croke Park??

wasnt that what I was asking ?

Anyhow, there was 35million of income from the renting of croke park and that was all to be spent on infrastructre projects across the country as part of a 100million investment programme in infrastructure
http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2010/0219/sport/gaa-reveals-new-euro100m-funding-blueprint-for-infrastructure-projects-112573.html

a list of the exact projects was on the hogan stand but is now gone

EDIT: each county got a minimum of 250,000 each to spend on one off club or county projects and anyone with plans/ initiative could apply for more. There was also a pot of money for regional projects like the 8million connacht centre of excellence in Ballyhaunis which is handy to all counties in the province.

munchkin_utd

more details on Pairc Ui Caoimh are emerging.

A planning application for the €67m redevelopment of Páirc Uí Chaoimh will be lodged in October.
In advance of the planning application the Cork County GAA Board have published images of how the stadium will look once it is complete.

These pictures show how Páirc Uí Chaoimh, which opened in 1976, will be redeveloped into a 45,000 seater venue with two new covered stands, new dressing rooms, a pre-match warm up area, medical facilities, restaurants, meeting and conference rooms, media facilities, museum, new and additional turnstiles, the elimination of the existing stadium tunnels and the creation of new access and exit points for fans.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/2013/07/17/gaa-to-lodge-pairc-ui-chaoimh-plans-in-october/

iDave

So are they just redeveloping one grandstand and putting a roof over the other and leaving the terraces behind the goals as they are?

munchkin_utd

iDave wrote: »

So are they just redeveloping one grandstand and putting a roof over the other and leaving the terraces behind the goals as they are?

nope, " new dressing rooms, a pre-match warm up area, medical facilities, restaurants, meeting and conference rooms, media facilities, museum, new and additional turnstiles, the elimination of the existing stadium tunnels and the creation of new access and exit points for fans."

plus:
"The Centre of Excellence will include an all weather pitch outside the stadium and will be used by the Cork County and development squads and will also be offered as a facility for local clubs and schools."
plus
"The back of the new covered stand (will have) a viewing area for 1,000 spectators and embedded floodlighting for the new all weather pitch. "

EDIT, theres also a whole park area that is being developed which is currently wasteland/ an old fairgrounds or something.

Jimminy Mc Fukhead

What's the difference between a meeting room and a conference room?

Tom Joad

Jimminy Mc Fukhead wrote: »

What's the difference between a meeting room and a conference room?

You get tea and biscuits at a meeting but you get a meal at a conference:D

Meeting room is usually smaller with basic facilities - conference room is bigger and has AV/communications equipment.

Thinkstoomuch

munchkin_utd wrote: »

nope, " new dressing rooms, a pre-match warm up area, medical facilities, restaurants, meeting and conference rooms, media facilities, museum, new and additional turnstiles, the elimination of the existing stadium tunnels and the creation of new access and exit points for fans."

plus:
"The Centre of Excellence will include an all weather pitch outside the stadium and will be used by the Cork County and development squads and will also be offered as a facility for local clubs and schools."
plus
"The back of the new covered stand (will have) a viewing area for 1,000 spectators and embedded floodlighting for the new all weather pitch. "

EDIT, theres also a whole park area that is being developed which is currently wasteland/ an old fairgrounds or something.

67m for a stadium we don't need is beyond logic.And our so called Centre of excellence is a joke.

It needs to be redeveloped yes,but not at that cost.It will only have, if that even,a bare handful of big games each year,and maybee the odd Munster Hurling Final as a neutral venue.

The way things are in both football and hurling at underage,we won't have the teams to grace the new stadium.

We don't need a centre of excellence.Nemo Rangers,Clonakilty and Mallow are all ideally located,and could serve that role,as they are all new ,top class complexes and are much better then the one their building.

67m for a stadium,is madness,when they refuse to spend the same as other counties in development squads etc,when Cork hurling is in dire trouble at grassroots level.

WesternZulu

iDave wrote: »

So are they just redeveloping one grandstand and putting a roof over the other and leaving the terraces behind the goals as they are?

They say that it's a 45,000 seater in that article, but from the artists impression it doesn't look like behind the goals are seated at all

Jimminy Mc Fukhead

Tom Joad wrote: »

Meeting room is usually smaller with basic facilities - conference room is bigger and has AV/communications equipment.

You could be in trouble though if it was a big meeting - just too big for the meeting room - and yet not big enough to justify the conference room. And they were thinking of powerpoint slides but were as yet undecided.

Could fall between two stools (/swivel chairs)

Tom Joad

Jimminy Mc Fukhead wrote: »

You could be in trouble though if it was a big meeting - just too big for the meeting room - and yet not big enough to justify the conference room. And they were thinking of powerpoint slides but were as yet undecided.

Could fall between two stools (/swivel chairs)

You could have two meeting room with them accordion walls so it can be one big room or two small ones - you could always use the projector function on your laptop if you wanted to use the powerpoint - all you need is a blank wall to project on to :pac:

Jimminy Mc Fukhead

Tom Joad wrote: »

You could have two meeting room with them accordion walls so it can be one big room or two small ones - you could always use the projector function on your laptop if you wanted to use the powerpoint - all you need is a blank wall to project on to :pac:

:P Well played sir......

however - ive rechecked the stadium plans above and there's no mention of accordian walls.

Though it's good to uncover these flaws when we're still at the design stage.

Poor_old_gill

How many large stadiums are needed in Munster?

There are 4 that hold over 40,000- Semple Stadium, The Gaelic grounds (redeveloped recently),Killarney (redone in the last 15 or so years) and PUC (planned to be redeveloped) add to this that Cusack Park in Ennis was, as far as I know, redeveloped recently.

A new PUC is unnecessary due to other recent stadium developments- the money would be better spent elsewhere

Frankie Lee

Presumably being pushed as a venue for the Rugby World Cup, it is sheer madness. Professional soccer clubs like Tottenham Hotspur can barely afford to build a stadium with annual revenue of over €200m. The GAA's annual revenue as a whole is only €52.7m and likely to fall in the coming years.

That being said it is a nice enough design and it will be a good venue for music.

Frankie Lee

WesternZulu wrote: »

They say that it's a 45,000 seater in that article, but from the artists impression it doesn't look like behind the goals are seated at all

If they make it an all seater then it will be a disaster altogether, can you imagine a Munster Hurling match without terracing?

Cosmo Kramer

munchkin_utd wrote: »

more details on Pairc Ui Caoimh are emerging.


http://www.eveningecho.ie/2013/07/17/gaa-to-lodge-pairc-ui-chaoimh-plans-in-october/

That looks like a really poor effort for €67 million to be honest, all four sides of the stadium should be fully redeveloped for that kind of money, not one and as half. Looks rubbish compared to the Casement proposals.

grenache

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

add to this that Cusack Park in Ennis was, as far as I know, redeveloped recently.

No, that antiquated $hithole is still there. There are plans to redevelop it but nothing has come of it as yet.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Agree with you Cosmo, the three tiered stand looks spectacular, but on the whole the stadium doesn't look great. Just looks like a better version of Thurles. The plans for Casement, however, look great, but having no terraces is a major drawback. Every GAA stadium should have the terraces.

nice_guy80

THFC wrote: »

Agree with you Cosmo, the three tiered stand looks spectacular, but on the whole the stadium doesn't look great. Just looks like a better version of Thurles. The plans for Casement, however, look great, but having no terraces is a major drawback. Every GAA stadium should have the terraces.

covered terraces.
I will go to games in bad weather if the terrace is covered. I don't like sitting at games in general, especially in bad weather

Browney7

grenache wrote: »

No, that antiquated $hithole is still there. There are plans to redevelop it but nothing has come of it as yet.

Kind words there grenache!! You'd need a tetanus shot after going through the turnstiles aswell!

Pete_Cavan

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

That looks like a really poor effort for €67 million to be honest, all four sides of the stadium should be fully redeveloped for that kind of money, not one and as half. Looks rubbish compared to the Casement proposals.

€67m is the cost of the overall marina park development, the PUC redevelopment will cost €22m.


With the conference facilities, museum and the potential for concerts I would suggest they are hoping the redeveloped stadium will make most of its money from non match days, with GAA match days as supplementary income.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/321045/264193.pdf

Hibbeler

Talk of a new stand for Cusack Park in Mullingar

http://www.westmeathexaminer.ie/sport/gaa/articles/2013/08/14/4017130-proposed-cusack-park-stand-makeover-to-cost-35-million/

petronius

PUC is in bad need of a face lift - even in straightened times it could be done maybe scaled back for when the recession is over
I like the fact PUC is walkable from the city centre and the colour of it with the colors etc any one there on a munster championship match v tipp etc would know what i mean
I think they should do it - wouldnt it be nice if Cork had a big stadium which could also host the odd Soccer or Rugby International? or would the sponsors allow it.
Some year ago i heard of the idea of building a new GAA stadium in cork and naming it after Michael Collins but that seemed not to get much of an airing

Pete_Cavan

Hibbeler wrote: »

Talk of a new stand for Cusack Park in Mullingar

http://www.westmeathexaminer.ie/sport/gaa/articles/2013/08/14/4017130-proposed-cusack-park-stand-makeover-to-cost-35-million/

Looks good. This is becoming the standard for smaller county grounds; one main covered, seated stand with dressing rooms, offices, emdia facilities, etc. and uncovered terrace around the other three sides. O'Connor Park in Tullamore is a good example of this done well.

petronius wrote: »

I think they should do it - wouldnt it be nice if Cork had a big stadium which could also host the odd Soccer or Rugby International? or would the sponsors allow it.

The naming rights with Aviva mean all home full rugby and soccer internationals have to be played at Lansdowne. Ireland played a rugby match against Fiji at Thomond Park last year but were called Ireland X and couldnt give out caps.

nice_guy80

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Looks good. This is becoming the standard for smaller county grounds; one main covered, seated stand with dressing rooms, offices, emdia facilities, etc. and uncovered terrace around the other three sides. O'Connor Park in Tullamore is a good example of this done well.

The naming rights with Aviva mean all home full rugby and soccer internationals have to be played at Lansdowne. Ireland played a rugby match against Fiji at Thomond Park last year but were called Ireland X and couldnt give out caps.

I'd prefer a covered terrace with so I can watch games in comfort, even during the league

hate sitting down at games

Pete_Cavan

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Thread dedicated to the development of stadia, pitches and facilities in general at all levels in the GAA. Post up details of new infrastructure being planned or built within your club/county or discuss projects. I'll get the ball rolling in a minute...

This could be a slow thread

rpurfield

nice_guy80 wrote: »

covered terraces.
I will go to games in bad weather if the terrace is covered. I don't like sitting at games in general, especially in bad weather

dont mind sitting if your dry a lot of stands around the country have rubbish roofs on where half the seats arent covered anyway. The worst i ever got was sitting in croker a few years back with the big drops falling off the floodlights adding to the rain

munchkin_utd

A £6.7m monument to Tyrone ambition
Stunning new facility reflects Red Hand's on-field mentality
<snip>
So men, women, adults, children, clubs, schools, all of Tyrone GAA, will get to avail of the lavish facilities which their inter-county teams began using last February. Built on a 43-acre site it consists of five grass pitches, a full-sized 3G all-weather pitch and another half-sized 3G – all of them fully floodlit.

The main building – all 30,000 square feet of it, with a huge curved glass facade, and designed in the shape of a curved Celtic 'T' – has the chrome and marble fit-out of a four-star hotel. <snip>Inside Garvaghey's huge open-plan foyer is a floor-to-roof glass octagon, inscribed with, at last count, the names of 292 people.

They are the 'Garvaghey patrons', who have each given £5,000 to the project – it is a £1.5m monument to the strength of the local Gaelic faith.
To its right is a large, sofa-filled viewing area that overlooks the pitches, and has been designated as a place to 'labhair Gaeilge'.
To the left are rows of tables where, in the manner of a Premier League football club, all of the county teams – senior and minor – mingle together while being fed by commercial caterers after training.

Nearby is a tiered lecture theatre that seats 200. The building also contains 10 dressing-rooms (six male, four female), numerous meeting rooms, a rehabilitation gym and the county board offices.

Its design includes strong cultural and historic elements, such as the mini Tullyhogue Fort (the ancestral home of the O'Neills) at the entrance, which doubles as a performance area.
Like some sort of Olympic project, it has a mission statement which talks of 'oidhreacht' (legacy) and defines it as "something that's cherished which is passed on to someone who's cherished".
<snip>
While the Celtic Tiger was in its death throes, and some county boards ended up in penury, Tyrone have somehow completed a £6.7m project on time (five years) and on budget.

Tyrone County Board have contributed 51pc (£3.4m), Croke Park have given 28pc (£1.6m), a Northern Ireland rural development programme has funded 13pc (£0.85m), and other local state bodies, including the tourist board, £1m.

A total of £2m has still to be paid off but Tyrone have borrowed this from Croke Park and are confident of clearing it inside their 10-year target.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/a-67m-monument-to-tyrone-ambition-29509448.html

I have to say that I was not a fan of the idea of these "centres of excellence" but when you see how Tyrone has made this as more than just a few pitches and some physio facilities you have to admire what they have done.
They have the full range of facilities to take meetings out of hotels and pubs into the counties own home base so in the long run it might even save a few shillings. The location is also perfect, just off the A5 to Monaghan/ Dublin and only a few miles from the Dual carraigeway/ Motorway to Belfast.

StephenHendry

nice_guy80 wrote: »

I'd prefer a covered terrace with so I can watch games in comfort, even during the league

hate sitting down at games

same here, i love the terraces, don't why we don't have grounds, the new ones that have covered terraces like the have in soccer grounds in germany for example, yeovil town fc have covered terraces

petronius

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Looks good. This is becoming the standard for smaller county grounds; one main covered, seated stand with dressing rooms, offices, emdia facilities, etc. and uncovered terrace around the other three sides. O'Connor Park in Tullamore is a good example of this done well.

The naming rights with Aviva mean all home full rugby and soccer internationals have to be played at Lansdowne. Ireland played a rugby match against Fiji at Thomond Park last year but were called Ireland X and couldnt give out caps.

That was pathetic by the IRFU and Aviva - they could have labeled it the "Aviva challenge match" at thomond or something I think it was disrespectful of Both the IRFU and AVIVA to the public who went and participants.

It shows how the lure of money can negate he remit of a sporting body - the IRFU is for Rugby all over Ireland - to diminish it chances of hosting a match outside Dublin at say PUC or Thomond or Ravenhill or Pearse Stadium

petronius

And while I am at it, a revenue generating concert should not be allowed to prevent a team playing say at croke park
the idea that a replay of a championship match or replay of a leinster final etc. always runs the risk of coinciding with one of those summer concerts.
Perhaps denying a player their only chance of playing at HQ.

munchkin_utd

Plans for €3m Longford GAA Centre of Excellence scrapped
While Longford GAA have scrapped their plans to develop a €3m state of the art Centre of Excellence at Lyneen in Killashee, the search for an alternative site for a training centre will get underway very shortly.

“There is huge disappointment,” revealed Longford GAA secretary Peter O’Reilly following Wednesday’s unanimous decision to abandon the Lyneen plan as it was deemed financially unviable by voting club delegates.

A power-point presentation from Project Managers Collins Boyd Engineering highlighted that issues were identified with the site and an additional €900,000 would be required before development could commence.

Appointed in June, Collins Boyd from Roscommon, were in the process of preparing tender documents and they came across a couple of issues.

Mr O’Reilly explained: “In their expert opinion, which we have taken on board, the project isn’t financially viable. No matter what else was wrong with the site or not wrong, there was a solution to getting over it but at the end of the day, the bottom line was it came down to cost.”

Mr O’Reilly added: “A training centre is something we have been striving for since 2009. Upwards of €400,000 has been spent on the purchase of the site and planning.”
<snip>

http://www.longfordleader.ie/news/local-news/plans-for-3m-longford-gaa-centre-of-excellence-scrapped-1-5508548

I cant say I am disappointed in the news. Theres a few projects like this which were started during the celtic tiger (when sums of millions seemed like nothing) and its only natural that now some common sense is creeping into the equation and the realisation that millions of euros just dont grow on trees.

keane2097

It's a case of the most successful teams getting farther and farther ahead though. Kerry are building a centre of excellence and the GAA are putting 9M into the one in Blanch for Dublin.

Reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Bart gets put in the remedial class and questions the logic of catching up with the rest of the students by going slower than them.

Pete_Cavan

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/pairc-ui-chaoimh-cork-1431603-Apr2014/

Cork County Board have got planning, just have to build it now

iDave

Funding in place for PUC redevelopment. Talk of them hosting hurling quarters.

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=216352

Think most hurling fans would prefer them to be in Semple.

blue note

iDave wrote: »

Funding in place for PUC redevelopment. Talk of them hosting hurling quarters.

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=216352

Think most hurling fans would prefer them to be in Semple.

Sounds like a lot of "Dublin have one, so we should have one too" nonsense. The truth of the matter is there aren't enough games in Munster to justify having as many stadiums of that size as we already do, let alone building / redeveloping one.

It sickens my hole to see the amount of money the GAA spends on stadiums that we don't need.

iDave

blue note wrote: »

Sounds like a lot of "Dublin have one, so we should have one too" nonsense. The truth of the matter is there aren't enough games in Munster to justify having as many stadiums of that size as we already do, let alone building / redeveloping one.

It sickens my hole to see the amount of money the GAA spends on stadiums that we don't need.

I'm sure you wouldn't say no if a few bob was offered to redevelop Fortress Fraher

blue note

iDave wrote: »

I'm sure you wouldn't say no if a few bob was offered to redevelop Fortress Fraher

I wouldn't say no to a few bob was offered to pay for it's demolition! I'm fed up seeing the county struggle to half fund two stadiums / stadia!

iDave

blue note wrote: »

I wouldn't say no to a few bob was offered to pay for it's demolition! I'm fed up seeing the county struggle to half fund two stadiums / stadia!

Don't aggravate the Weshties!!!

grouchyman

Any word on who got what in the SCG awards announced today?