The 2012 PW Draft *Discussion thread - voting info post 2048*

D2D

Hey everyone

The PW Draft is now in it's 5th year and is 1 of the staples of this forum. Seeing as how MNG is unfortunately not running the draft for this year, I just want to let ye know that myself and BH are gonna be running it Nothing is changing with it so it's still 20 people, 15 rounds and 15 picks (with the various stipulations thrown in). So with that, the countdown to the PW draft can now officially begin:)

I'll be starting up the picks thread in the New Year so, until then, get thinking;):D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBWEeQf2pZg

SIgn up thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=76190598#post76190598

flahavaj

Are we throwing our names in the hat yet?

Hope rovert gets involved this year, he would take some beating methinks...

D2D

flahavaj wrote: »

Are we throwing our names in the hat yet?

Hope rovert gets involved this year, he would take some beating methinks...

Nope, that thread opens in the late December

Lord TSC

I really want to get Punk, Ace Steel and The Usos again this year so I can keep going with that stable :P

Furious-Red

Cant wait for this . However im gonna back up my write ups so i dont lose it like last year :mad::mad:

Spongey1975

Time to get my thinking cap on, need to up my game to have a shot at winning this

Bounty Hunter

Yep last year marked the end of MNG in charge and I said i'd take over once nobody minded me also competing as I have in every draft, then Gimmick also bowed out so D2D joined up, which is especially helpful given my time difference. Despite stepping down Obviously we hope that if they have the time Gimmick or MNG compete, would almost be odd for my BWA promotion to have no Monday Night Grappling to go up against at this stage.

No need to submit if your in or not at this stage but this thread will be used to say when that will happen so that the regulars should know in advance and get a good chacne of having a spot in the draft.

As D2D suggested this will probably become the discussion thread when everything gets going as ill change the name & also sticky the other thread when it gets started.

I Already have some ideas in mind for stipulation rounds and will talk to D2D about that before we begin but I guess for now this can also be a general shop for discussion on rules and eligable picks etc i.e were there any gray areas last year we need to iron out before we start this time? only big disagreement i remember atm was the eligablity of Heenan & Bockwinkel as a team for example.

Think this year ill give you a different BWA, last few years ive had similar rosters and although I was always in the top 5 dont think I was ever that close to winning it.

ciano316

I'v never done this before, how does it work if you don't mind me asking.

Bounty Hunter

here are some of the previous incarnations of the draft

Me in the hot links sticky wrote:

and Draft threads:

2010
2009
2008
2011

Simply its a typical sports fantasy draft where you get to pick a wrestler or tag team (must fall within certain ground rules like no world champions in the tag team) every round and build a roster. Then at the end produce a PPV card to showcase your roster before we vote on a winner.

To further elaborate here are the rules from last year although in some rounds we have special stipulations about who can and cant be picked which may void the rules i.e a round where debut date of wrestler is irrelevant. Looks like a lot of rules but it isnt really

Rules:

- You have 24 hours to make your pick. If you miss your pick you will have to wait until after number 20 has chosen to make your pick. You will be PM'd about your missed pick and if you miss your pick twice, you will be eliminated from the contest. Your roster will then be either given to a reserve, or the r
oster will be divided up in a later round.

- If you are banned, for any length of time, during the draft, you will be eliminated from the contest. Your roster will then be either given to a reserve, or the roster will be divied up in a later round.

- In the game no wrestler can be chosen twice. For example, if someone selects Stone Cold then Stone Cold is no longer available for anybody else!

- Each person makes fifteen picks over fifteen rounds. One choice per round. Everyone gets their turn.

Tag Teams:

Tag Teams come as a package so for example if you want the Dudleys then you don't have to pick Bubba one round and then D-Von the next. The rules for tag teams are as follows:

- Cannot have a world champion in them ie no DX or Hart Foundation
- Must have tagged together for at least 3 months
- Inter gender tag teams not allowed
- Members of factions, ie Saturn and Malenko, are not deemed valid picks as they are not classed as legit tag teams under the criteria for the game.
- 5 tag teams is the maximum amount of teams for each roster

World Titles:
World titles are considered as the following:
WWE, World Heavyweight Title/WCW, TNA and NWA

(Note: For the benefit of the game as a whole and to reflect the realistic loss in prestige of the NWA Title, only holders of the NWA Title up until the WCW World Championship came into use will be regarded as World Champions for the purposes of the game. )

Eligible Promotions:
WWE, TNA, ROH, anything historically going under the NWA banner.

Time Frame:
No professional debuts pre 1970 are eligible. There will be a round for pre 1970 picks. There will also be a celeb round where celebs who have appeared on wrestling TV are elibible for picks.

- To determine wrestler debuts we will use Wikipedia as in previous years. If you feel the Wikipedia entry is incorrect you can PM me or one of the mods to state your case.

- people who would be considerd Celebs more so than wrestlers are only eligable to be drafted in the special celeb round and not in any other round

- Dark matches and try out matches will not be valid cases this year for selecting a wrestler.

- Managers and female wrestlers are eligible if people wish to pick them. Commentators have not been included in recent years.

Stip rounds:
Like last year there will be special rounds to shake the game up a bit and keep everyone on their toes. gimmick has a few tricks up his sleeve for us to deal with again I am sure. Round 1 is a stip round so read about that below.

Note - Rules may be amended during the contest to help run the game smoother if it's felt this is necessary but we will aim to ensure everyone is kept up to date if this has to happen.

anybody think any rules need to be alterd or added? I'm still not sure about the tag team limit personally and could see not having it in the game this time round.

draft usually starts at the start of January so this is a very early heads up as when its first come first served with the first 20 posters competing. We can always use some backups too and others commenting on picks etc is welcome once you dont mention undrafted superstars

Lord TSC

Should the number of tag teams be cut from 5 to 3? Its just a minor annoyance, and I'll admit I engaged in this too, but it struck me last year that some people picked one person and then added "Oh, and according to wiki, this guy teamed with ____ so I'll choose them as well." That seemed especially prevelant when people chose Japanese wrestlers....

Again, I'll hold my hands up and say I did that too. It's the only thing I think irks me though and its only a minor thing.

Bounty Hunter

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Should the number of tag teams be cut from 5 to 3? Its just a minor annoyance, and I'll admit I engaged in this too, but it struck me last year that some people picked one person and then added "Oh, and according to wiki, this guy teamed with ____ so I'll choose them as well." That seemed especially prevelant when people chose Japanese wrestlers....

Again, I'll hold my hands up and say I did that too. It's the only thing I think irks me though and its only a minor thing.

tbh I love that if im honest and think that if you research your pick and can get an extra good draft due to the tag rule then whynot but if the general concensus is that the limit should be cut then It will be and this thread will have served its purpose. 3 imo would def be too little tho as if you wanted more than one tag match on your PPV it would take atleast 5 pick to set up.

flahavaj

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Should the number of tag teams be cut from 5 to 3? Its just a minor annoyance, and I'll admit I engaged in this too, but it struck me last year that some people picked one person and then added "Oh, and according to wiki, this guy teamed with ____ so I'll choose them as well." That seemed especially prevelant when people chose Japanese wrestlers....

Again, I'll hold my hands up and say I did that too. It's the only thing I think irks me though and its only a minor thing.

I'd be against this tbh - one of the best things about the game is coming up with a great value pick by getting a tag team no one else might have thought of within the confines of the rules. If the rule about them having teamed together consistently is enforced well I think the rule should stay and I think 5 is a fair number. If you reduce it to three then you're in danger of not allowing people to have any kind of fulltime tag team roster at all on their card which would be a shame.

I'd be more than happy to help if there were Japanese picks that looked a little dodgy to people.

Lord TSC

No, thats all grand. As I said, it was only a minor thing and only a personal opinion. I'm more than happy to avail of the rules (even if I won't get Beer Money this year ).

The 5 to 3 thing was more to try and force people to think about making a choice; getting a tag division or feud, or chosing two individual wrestlers as a team to boost their roster. It was more a thought to try and add a bit more pressure/importance to making the pick. But again, it's only a personal opinion and ultimatly I'm not going to fight for the change.

I will say I adored the ruling last year which made it you couldn't choose wrestlers from before a certain year in round one; really made sure we had great choices for round two (never would have had Punk vs Flair otherwise :P)

gimmick

I think if you pick a team, they must be used as a team though. The Scott Hall Mr Perfect pick has pissed me off whenever it has been used.

Machismo Fan

I think it's about time I gave this a go.

flahavaj

gimmick wrote: »

I think if you pick a team, they must be used as a team though. The Scott Hall Mr Perfect pick has pissed me off whenever it has been used.

I think it was a stroke of brilliance when Pingu made it the first time and people should be rewarded for using such brilliance whenever it happens. Hall and Hennig were a legit and established championship winning team back in the day. If someone displays the knowledge of wrestling history to make the pick then it should be encouraged not discouraged.

I also think making people use tag teams as they are picked is over-restrictive and rigid. Just like a real booker should be allowed use his roster anyway he likes so whould we in this. What if someone wanted to book the Steiners against each other for example in a brother vs brother feud? That freedom to be creative shouldn't be taken away. Making people use Kobashi and Misawa as a team or KENTA and Marujfuji together would seem an awful waste to me.

Spongey1975

how about only allowed to pick tag teams if they tagged in the WWE/WCW/TNA (the wrestling companies we use for this competition)

flahavaj

Spongey1975 wrote: »

how about only allowed to pick tag teams if they tagged in the WWE/WCW/TNA (the wrestling companies we use for this competition)

Because we allow wrestlers from outside those companies to be drafted too?

You wouldn't be allowed to pick the Briscoes or Kings of Wrestling (or any other major ROH tag team for example)if that rule was in place which would be absolutely ridiculous.

D2D

Tbh, I like the way the rules for tag teams are atm. It really rewards you if you research your pick well (like my pick with Age of the Fall last year)

glenjamin

Been looking more forward to this than Christmas.

thebostoncrab

I agree, the tag rule is perfect at the moment and rewards you for doing research on your picks, like last year getting Generico and Cabana as one pick

Mr.Nice Guy

Good luck with it, BH. As I said at the end of the last one I'm sure you'll do a great job with it.

Yeah I'd be interested in competing again in 2012 if there's a spot there. It would be nice to try it without the organisational stuff to deal with.

I always enjoy the ideas people come up with in these too. Remember Ger's Black and Tans storyline, or flah's Road Warriors vs Dudleyz epic feud, or the invasion storyline me, BH and walt did to name but a few. Good times. :cool:

the groutch

can someone explain what this is in a nutshell?

D2D

the groutch wrote: »

can someone explain what this is in a nutshell?

Basically, the PW draft is a fantasy draft game, where 20 people try to create the best roster they can by randomly selecting wrestlers. There's 15 rounds (including stip rounds like celebs and pre-70's picks) in total. After the 15 rounds, each person has to write up a show involving their roster. The winner is decided after every participant has voted.

Note that the draft usually last's around 2-3 months and will consume yer lives for that period

the groutch

Dare_2_defy wrote: »

Basically, the PW draft is a fantasy draft game, where 20 people try to create the best roster they can by randomly selecting wrestlers. There's 15 rounds (including stip rounds like celebs and pre-70's picks) in total. After the 15 rounds, each person has to write up a show involving their roster. The winner is decided after every participant has voted.

Note that the draft usually last's around 2-3 months and will consume yer lives for that period

sounds good, although I'd imagine the chances of getting a spot are twofold (f-all and none)

Spongey1975

flahavaj wrote: »

Because we allow wrestlers from outside those companies to be drafted too?

You wouldn't be allowed to pick the Briscoes or Kings of Wrestling (or any other major ROH tag team for example)if that rule was in place which would be absolutely ridiculous.

ok i only offered a suggestion. As well as that, those tag teams are also eligible under my suggestion as ROH is one of the wrestling companies we use (had that written in brackets in my post, i just didnt mention ROH cos it didnt come to mind as i wrote my post).

The big problem i have with the current tag team rule is the combos of japanese wrestlers being picked, some main event talent that can be included as a tag team just cos they never held a world title in the american companies (plenty of world titles in the japanese companies im assuming). It doesnt really affect my picks as since i have zero knowledge of the japanese wrestling world i dont pick from there

glenjamin

the groutch wrote: »

sounds good, although I'd imagine the chances of getting a spot are twofold (f-all and none)

Just keep refreshing the Pro Wrestling forum every half hour for the next month and you might get a spot :cool:

JP Liz V1

TBC.......................................

flahavaj

Spongey1975 wrote: »

ok i only offered a suggestion. As well as that, those tag teams are also eligible under my suggestion as ROH is one of the wrestling companies we use (had that written in brackets in my post, i just didnt mention ROH cos it didnt come to mind as i wrote my post).

The big problem i have with the current tag team rule is the combos of japanese wrestlers being picked, some main event talent that can be included as a tag team just cos they never held a world title in the american companies (plenty of world titles in the japanese companies im assuming). It doesnt really affect my picks as since i have zero knowledge of the japanese wrestling world i dont pick from there

The Japanese guys still have to have appeared for American companies so they're as eligible as any American wrestler. Generally thats a limited enough pool of wrestlers and only a small number of those again woud be eligible tag teams so its not that big a number really.

You wouldn't be alone in not really being interested in Japanese wrestling anyway so the benefit of having a lot of "bigger" Japanese stars on your roster is quite small. IMO picking Japanese guys in the first few rounds is almost a wasted pick as your picking somone only a few will appreciate at the expense of a main eventer from America most would know instantly.

flahavaj

It won't be the same without Gerard C.

Lord TSC

flahavaj wrote: »

The Japanese guys still have to have appeared for American companies so they're as eligible as any American wrestler. Generally thats a limited enough pool of wrestlers and only a small number of those again woud be eligible tag teams so its not that big a number really.

You wouldn't be alone in not really being interested in Japanese wrestling anyway so the benefit of having a lot of "bigger" Japanese stars on your roster is quite small. IMO picking Japanese guys in the first few rounds is almost a wasted pick as your picking somone only a few will appreciate at the expense of a main eventer from America most would know instantly.

I know I got KENTA and Marufuji (sp?) last year thanks to the rule. I know Muta and someone keeps getting picked as well. There's enough "big" Japan guys to exploit while still retaining name recognition ;P

flahavaj

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I know I got KENTA and Marufuji (sp?) last year thanks to the rule. I know Muta and someone keeps getting picked as well. There's enough "big" Japan guys to exploit while still retaining name recognition ;P

There's a small handful that everyone would know, but they don't really fall under the obscure tag picks Spongey was talking about I don't think.

The Volt

I really don't think final year will allow me to take part this year I'd be more than happy to give a hand though if D2D and BH want?

jaykhunter

can someone post links to the ppv write-up and final voting thread? would like to see how 2011 went down

D2D

jaykhunter wrote: »

can someone post links to the ppv write-up and final voting thread? would like to see how 2011 went down

Picks thread
write ups
and the winner is......

BTW, I'd like to point out that my low number picks must be some sort of draft record. I didn't get a top 10 pick 'til round 15/16

Bounty Hunter

Voltwad wrote: »

I really don't think final year will allow me to take part this year I'd be more than happy to give a hand though if D2D and BH want?

Considering myself and D2D havent run this before I guess we dont know if extra help will be needed atm. Obviously we would keep that offer in mind should you not be able to compete but as you say itd good if you could though obviously college is more important.

tbh I alwasy find the draft a good distraction from things but never so much that you cant do everything else as taking months it isnt always the fastest moving.

thebostoncrab

Just looking tat last years topic, and alot of people were calling for an anyone can be picked round near the end to add last minute big names to really put a twist on things. Could be brilliant to do this year, I need to get Akyama on my roster

gimmick

I have an amazing idea for a late stip round. If BH and D2D want me to use it, I gladly will, but for it to work properly they cannot even know what it is.

jaykhunter

more for meself, links to the top 4 ppvs for perusal

Flah
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71145728&postcount=91
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71146302&postcount=92

Walter
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71140762&postcount=86

TBC
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71151775&postcount=98
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71152994&postcount=100

Ger C.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71147899&postcount=96
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71147968&postcount=97

also Volt's show is really good. he came in tied 5th.

campo

How about stirring it up a bit where we have a RIP round where we can only pick a wrestler who has passed on but here is the kicker we cannot pick a wrestler who has passed on until this stip round so for example you wont be able to pick Macho man in Rnd 1 you would have to wait for the RIP round

gimmick

Good idea. There was an "RIP" round last time as well if memory serves. It was like another "pre 1970" round.

Bounty Hunter

tbh that was one of the stips i had in mind and was thinking of making it a lot earlier so that many of the big RIP names wouldnt be gone yet. keep the suggestions coming though we obviously have to have a certain number of normal rules apply rounds

campo

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

tbh that was one of the stips i had in mind and was thinking of making it a lot earlier so that many of the big RIP names wouldnt be gone yet. keep the suggestions coming though we obviously have to have a certain number of normal rules apply rounds

ya we had one last year but by the time it came around most of the wrestlers who had passed on were already picked i.e Benoit, Brittish Buldog and owen hart etc but I think it be muc more interesting if we could not pick these wrestlers until the RIP stip round would make the 1st couple of rounds much more interesting to see who people pick if they cant pick a dead wrestler

Cactus Colm

The PW Draft .... equal parts entertaining and frustrating ...

Think the rules might need to be slightly reviewed from last year ... just to make things a bit clearer. (Such as if holding the WWWWF title counts as a world championship, managers subbing for partners in tag teams, etc...)

Love it when I find a loophole (like getting Ric Flair, in the second year I think, by taking him as a manager) .... but hate it whenever someone else does!

campo

Cactus Colm wrote: »

The PW Draft .... equal parts entertaining and frustrating ...

Think the rules might need to be slightly reviewed from last year ... just to make things a bit clearer. (Such as if holding the WWWWF title counts as a world championship, managers subbing for partners in tag teams, etc...)

Love it when I find a loophole (like getting Ric Flair, in the second year I think, by taking him as a manager) .... but hate it whenever someone else does!

The tag stip is one that I both love and hate I love it when it works for mee.g I got Drew McIntrye and Wade Barrett last year as they teamed together OVW maybe we should have it that the tag team had to have tagged together for 3 months but also have tagged on TV ( which would include ROH TV etc ) that would put a stop to the sneaky OVW picks etc

JP Liz V1

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

tbh that was one of the stips i had in mind and was thinking of making it a lot earlier so that many of the big RIP names wouldnt be gone yet. keep the suggestions coming though we obviously have to have a certain number of normal rules apply rounds

I say make the first round a stip round it will throw everyone's plans into chaos

glenjamin

Possible stip for the first round this year - cannot pick a former world champion??

D2D

campo wrote: »

How about stirring it up a bit where we have a RIP round where we can only pick a wrestler who has passed on but here is the kicker we cannot pick a wrestler who has passed on until this stip round so for example you wont be able to pick Macho man in Rnd 1 you would have to wait for the RIP round

Like it. Definetly throw's the unpredictability around

gimmick wrote: »

I have an amazing idea for a late stip round. If BH and D2D want me to use it, I gladly will, but for it to work properly they cannot even know what it is.

I'm for surprises so I'm for it:) Depends on BH though

glenjamin wrote: »

Possible stip for the first round this year - cannot pick a former world champion??

Really , really like this idea. Throw's a curveball into everyone's roster picks


Lads, those idea's are awesome but myself and BH will have to talk to sort out the rules and stip rounds. The way it's normally scheduled, the sign up thread will be opening in early January. The draft itself normally starts a few days after the sign up thread is closed. Then, around 2-3 months of fun, excitement, heartbreak and turmoil commence

I can pretty much guarantee that this year's draft will be the best yet. You really don't want to miss out on it.

D2D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxGkXIphAHw

soon:cool:

EDIT: only just seen Flah's message earlier in the thread now:

flahavaj wrote: »

It won't be the same without Gerard C.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho7eJuJFdH8

Lord TSC

*Checks PW Board ten times a day so as not to miss a sign up thread*

:P

There is usually sign up threads, right?

EDIT: Just noticed it says early Janruary up above >_<

waltersobchak

Ah my favourite time of year.. Not Christmas but Draft planning time:pac: