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Sinn Fein now second most popular party

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    #32
    Tazz T
    Registered Users Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    Figures don't surprise me in the slightest:

    FF stuffed the country.
    FG have done nothing to rectify it and are still breaking election promises.
    SF have achieved the impossible securing peace in NI. People are wondering can they do the same here and get us on the road to recovery.

    The EU/IMF will be ****ting themselves.


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    #33
    sarumite
    Registered Users Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭sarumite


    niallers1 wrote: »
    They haven't gone away you know:)

    So lets me get this straight. You quote a wikipedia article as part of your argument. I quote from your source and now you disagree with it. :confused:


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    #34
    Cosmic Penguin
    Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭Cosmic Penguin


    All history aside, their policies are terrifying, and were this trend in popularity to continue, I would leave this country, handing in my passport at the gate.


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    #35
    eamo12
    Registered Users Posts: 210 ✭✭eamo12


    maccored wrote: »
    how so?

    Will they hang on to such popularity is the question, but to say its a 'terrifying prospect' is a bit rash. they'd do a better job in government than the current and last shower.

    True ..... if you ignore their history of punishment beatings, bus bombings, butchering of innocents, tar and feathering and baseball bat if you speak out against them, murder of mothers, children, grandfathers with their grandchildren, marxist ideology, kidnapping, extortion, etc. etc.


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    #36
    Lockstep
    Registered Users Posts: 9,029 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    Just read the IT analysis.

    SF votes are heavily working class young males (They barely register in the middle class category) whereas Labour do best in the working/lower middle bracket with decent middle class support, although they do better among the young than the middle aged.
    FF also do well in the young category. Strange stuff.


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    #37
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,661 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    sarumite wrote: »
    It's not exaclty a good start when you have to resort to crass assumptions. If we burned the bondholders SF wanted to, we were told that we would be considerd in technical defualt. PH's plan didn't actually make any provisions for the this. Furthermore they were still beating that drum (although to a slightly different tune as of Sept 2011)

    As I say, its too late to be discussing this now. Just lets say I dont think you are looking at the full picture, and leave it at that.


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    #38
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,661 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    eamo12 wrote: »
    True ..... if you ignore their history of punishment beatings, bus bombings, butchering of innocents, tar and feathering and baseball bat if you speak out against them, murder of mothers, children, grandfathers with their grandchildren, marxist ideology, kidnapping, extortion, etc. etc.

    Again, more populist talk. SF never done any of those things. The IRA, the BA and various other factions may have, but not the political party known as SF. The words 'bacon' and 'education' spring to mind once more.

    "marxist ideology" - hahahaha


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    #39
    niallers1
    Registered Users Posts: 799 ✭✭✭niallers1


    Lockstep wrote: »
    Just read the IT analysis.

    SF votes are heavily working class young males (They barely register in the middle class category) whereas Labour do best in the working/lower middle bracket with decent middle class support, although they do better among the young than the middle aged.
    FF also do well in the young category. Strange stuff.

    Describing any human as a "class" is a bit derogatory don't you think?

    Working class can also be defined as "individuals who sell their labour power for wages and who do not own the means of production."
    By this definition, I'm guessing 95% of the posters on boards are working class.


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    #40
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,661 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Im technically middle class and Im a SF voter ...... should i quit my job and go on the dole to fit in with the stereotype?


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    #41
    niallers1
    Registered Users Posts: 799 ✭✭✭niallers1


    maccored wrote: »
    Im technically middle class and Im a SF voter ...... should i quit my job and go on the dole to fit in with the stereotype?


    You wouldn't be working then:)


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    #42
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    bmaxi wrote: »
    IMO the decline of Labour is not unexpected and can only get worse. Their failure to address the needs and fears of their constituency will play into the hands of bully boy politicians like O'Snodaigh who can rant all day about social injustice while at the same time not having a notion or giving a fcuk about how to solve it. With the FF vote having migrated to FG, Labour is the most likely to lose out to SF, but if you're listening Eamonn and I doubt it, there's still time.

    They are two points worse than the election result and that could be just the margin for error.

    The real story of this poll is probably, "move along not as much to see here as you think"


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    #43
    PeterIanStaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    The establishment media are doing a great job for SF, in increasing their profile and devoting lots of column inches to them.


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    #44
    sarumite
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    maccored wrote: »
    As I say, its too late to be discussing this now. Just lets say I dont think you are looking at the full picture, and leave it at that.

    Tell that to SF, who were still talking about senior bondholders less than a month ago.
    Just lets say I dont think you are looking at the full picture, and leave it at that.

    Considering your over reliance on crass assumptions in your first reply, I am not surprised by this.


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    #45
    Lockstep
    Registered Users Posts: 9,029 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    niallers1 wrote: »
    Describing any human as a "class" is a bit derogatory don't you think?
    No. Why is it?
    niallers1 wrote: »
    Working class can also be defined as "individuals who sell their labour power for wages and who do not own the means of production."
    By this definition, I'm guessing 95% of the posters on boards are working class.
    If you're a Marxist. Very few people in Ireland are.
    Sounds like a convenient mechanism for a wealthy socialist to lump themselves in with the struggling workers.

    I'm a bartender who owns a laptop. Is that not owning means of production?


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    #46
    niallers1
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    PeterIanStaker wrote: »
    The establishment media are doing a great job for SF, in increasing their profile and devoting lots of column inches to them.


    The establishment media are used to people doing as they say and following blindly what they say when they say it

    People are no longer blindly following the main stream media. They're getting more information from many other sources and making up their own mind.


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    #47
    Bergkamp 10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 189 ✭✭Bergkamp 10


    PeterIanStaker wrote: »
    The establishment media are doing a great job for SF, in increasing their profile and devoting lots of column inches to them.
    Agreed, if they spent less time attacking them and more time asking questions about their policy they probably wouldnt do as well.

    Just goes to show how out of touch alot of the media are with ordinary people.


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    #48
    Lockstep
    Registered Users Posts: 9,029 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    maccored wrote: »
    Im technically middle class and Im a SF voter ...... should i quit my job and go on the dole to fit in with the stereotype?

    It's not a stereotype, it's a demographic. There are of course middle class SF voters (and female SF voters) but they're the minority.


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    #49
    niallers1
    Registered Users Posts: 799 ✭✭✭niallers1


    Lockstep wrote: »
    No. Why is it?



    When you describe a person as a class you put them into a hierarchy.. When you have a hierarchy it generally goes bad to good to better.

    It's basically saying that a human in the "middle" class is better than a human in the "working" class..

    It's a term that should not exist in my opinion.


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    #50
    Mr.Micro
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    Poor old SF do not have a clue. All is well when its just rhetoric and mantra. If it actually came to SF running the country.....not a clue, just burn the bondholders and probably literally. All they know is violence and intimidation, and the 800 years mantra. The mind boggles at their problem solving talents/abilities when it comes to the economy,health, education, diplomacy....:eek::eek::eek::eek: In 5 minutes we would be labeled as a rogue state and part of the axis of evil.


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    #51
    Bergkamp 10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 189 ✭✭Bergkamp 10


    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    Poor old SF do not have a clue. All is well when its just rhetoric and mantra. If it actually came to SF running the country.....not a clue, just burn the bondholders and probably literally. All they know is violence and intimidation, and the 800 years mantra. The mind boggles at their problem solving talents/abilities when it comes to the economy,health, education, diplomacy....:eek::eek::eek::eek: In 5 minutes we would be labeled as a rogue state and part of the axis of evil.
    Rogue state, we already are being mocked by most countries. It's time to grow a thick skin.


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    #52
    niallers1
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    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    Poor old SF do not have a clue. All is well when its just rhetoric and mantra. If it actually came to SF running the country.....not a clue, just burn the bondholders and probably literally. All they know is violence and intimidation, and the 800 years mantra. The mind boggles at their problem solving talents/abilities when it comes to the economy,health, education, diplomacy....:eek::eek::eek::eek: In 5 minutes we would be labeled as a rogue state and part of the axis of evil.


    I'm tired of Ireland being an Uncle Tom state..


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    #53
    thirtythirty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭thirtythirty


    niallers1 wrote: »
    When you describe a person as a class you put them into a hierarchy.. When you have a hierarchy it generally goes bad to good to better.

    It's basically saying that a human in the "middle" class is better than a human in the "working" class..

    It's a term that should not exist in my opinion.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXZ52-XgUjA


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    #54
    djpbarry
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    maccored wrote: »
    The only populist thing about SF is how people didnt not bother absorbing what SF were saying...
    Unless they’re saying sorry for the crimes that they, or their members, have been involved with in the past, then I will never listen to anything they have to say. Ever.


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    #55
    Lockstep
    Registered Users Posts: 9,029 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    niallers1 wrote: »
    When you describe a person as a class you put them into a hierarchy.. When you have a hierarchy it generally goes bad to good to better.

    It's basically saying that a human in the "middle" class is better than a human in the "working" class..

    It's a term that should not exist in my opinion.

    How on earth do you form that opinion?
    It's saying that there are some people who have more income than others and their voting trends need to be analysed. That's not a hierarchy, that's just income levels and social class.

    You might not think it should exist but it would make life a lot more difficult. How are SF to know the impact that their policies have if they're unable to tell if the person who approves is a barrister or a factory worker?


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    #56
    Chucky the tree
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    maccored wrote: »
    Again, if you actually studied what they were saying, rather than relying on what people say about what they were saying, you'd find their policies weren't that far off the mark.

    Do you have any idea what they meant by burning bondholders? That conversation is dead as SF have agreed that its way too late at this stage, but you really need to understand what they were talking about first. There were specific bondholders they were referencing ... not all of them.

    The only populist thing about SF is how people didnt not bother absorbing what SF were saying, instead relying on 'populist' media soundbytes that suited certain political ends. As they say, you can't educate bacon.


    What the budget deficit? Yes lets get that sorted it out by reserving all the cuts that have been made, that will definitly work.


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    #57
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    niallers1 wrote: »
    I'm tired of Ireland being an Uncle Tom state..

    What would you do then? Cut off all ties with nations such as the US and UK, lose jobs investment and go back to what?


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    #58
    Wolfe Tone
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    Has the hysterical hyperbole about SF started in response to this yet?

    I don't pay much attention to polls but undeniably SF are on the up.


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    #59
    Chuck Stone
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    FF & FG should just merge now.


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    #60
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    FF & FG should just merge now.

    Then FG would surely decline into a toxic sludge. ;)


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    #61
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,661 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    What the budget deficit? Yes lets get that sorted it out by reserving all the cuts that have been made, that will definitly work.

    Wrong thread. If you didnt understand them the first time round you certainly wont now.


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