Bohemian FC well and truly fooked?

vellocet · 30-09-2011 07:44PM

bohsman wrote: »

Just the car park but Zurich want out of Ireland asap.

So why are you worried about them taking the stadium?

bohsman · 30-09-2011 07:51PM

I'm not sure, the car park certainly wont cover the loan and the rest of the ground is worthless without the access that the car park area provides. Going to be a legal nightmare selling the ground seeing as the 65m deal is still officially alive.

vellocet · 30-09-2011 07:57PM

bohsman wrote: »

I'm not sure, the car park certainly wont cover the loan and the rest of the ground is worthless without the access that the car park area provides. Going to be a legal nightmare selling the ground seeing as the 65m deal is still officially alive.

The 65m deal is dead. Get real.

If, as you say, the loan is secured against a specific asset, then you lose that asset and get a black credit rating. Default, lose the carpark and you are ok.

Unless, and it is very likely, you have been lead to believe the loan is against the carpark...

bohsman · 30-09-2011 07:58PM

vellocet wrote: »

The 65m deal is dead. Get real.

If, as you say, the loan is secured against a specific asset, then you lose that asset and get a black credit rating. Default, lose the carpark and you are ok.

Unless, and it is very likely, you have been lead to believe the loan is against the carpark...

I am for real, legally it's very much alive, think about the implications of that for Bohs for a minute.

vellocet · 30-09-2011 07:59PM

bohsman wrote: »

I am for real, legally it's very much alive, think about the implications of that for Bohs for a minute.

When was the last option payment?

Carroll has breached the contract. It is dead.

bohsman · 30-09-2011 08:01PM

vellocet wrote: »

When was the last option payment?

Carroll has breached the contract. It is dead.

Getting it officially killed would be the first stumbling block out of the way, there's plenty more after that.

vellocet · 30-09-2011 08:03PM

bohsman wrote: »

Getting it officially killed would be the first stumbling block out of the way, there's plenty more after that.

Surely that is the easiest thing to do.

"Liam, is the deal dead or alive"

"Dead"

"Thanks, can you stick that in writing please"

bohsman · 30-09-2011 08:09PM

Far more to it than that apparently. NAMA obviously in control of all that now anyway, apparently we need a judge to kill it.

BOHtox · 30-09-2011 10:28PM

vellocet wrote: »

Surely that is the easiest thing to do.

"Liam, is the deal dead or alive"

"Dead"

"Thanks, can you stick that in writing please"

He's not going to say that. He owes us 3 million, which we'll never get.

Zebra3 · 01-10-2011 01:00AM

bohsman wrote: »

Going to be a legal nightmare selling the ground seeing as the 65m deal is still officially alive.

:D:D

Thanks for cheering me up after our defeat to Mong U. :pac::pac::pac:

dreamers75 · 01-10-2011 01:26AM

Cracking crowd tonight, shocked at ours and theirs crowd.

I reckon 3500 so 633 in the star morrow

bohsman · 01-10-2011 01:30AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

:D:D

Thanks for cheering me up after our defeat to Mong U. :pac::pac::pac:

Selling a ground twice and then getting a loan of the back of part of the ground is more complicated than it sounds, who wuda thunk it?

edolan · 01-10-2011 02:12AM

iregk wrote: »

Sligo obsession hahaha you clearly don't know me at all. I have often defended sligo on this thread as I recall standing on the pitch in miltown on our final day protesting (i was a kid) and the sligo fans protested with us. All the tension between the two clubs only started really with Cookie and he has been the one to drum it up more than anyone else.

Reports of tickets never proven. Strange how a few hundred Rovers fans provided the raffle tickets we were given as entry to the showgrounds only for the complaint never to go anywhere.

You find it sad that Rovers fans are dancing on their graves. Please point out on here where I have danced on their grave. Even check my previous posts I have consistently said it would be a shame if they went out of business. That said I can't blame some Rovers fans for doing it mind as almost all clubs sided with Rovers when we lost our ground apart from bohs they danced all over our grave, dug it up and danced on the corpse. Even now every now and again they take a good shine to the monument just for old time sake. Karma is a bitch.

Good to have you back Sligored its been a few days without your waffle.

Well Cook was here for two seasons before O'Neill came so if any manager is igniting tension then it's him, or it could actually be how since both managers have came in both clubs have risen to the top of the league of ireland ladder compared to where both teams where before each respected manager came in. Man United and Chelsea have become rivals due to the successes of both teams, not due to geography or history between each club.

Zebra3 · 01-10-2011 02:32AM

bohsman wrote: »

Selling a ground twice and then getting a loan of the back of part of the ground is more complicated than it sounds, who wuda thunk it?

I get that bit.

I recall your fans taunting us at a LC game in Tolka in '07 with a "Shels RIP" flag.

:D:D

But the bit about a the €65M deal? :pac::pac::pac:

As it stands we're on course to become the second oldest club in the league, and given the way your fans happily thought they were dancing on our grave in 2007, I shan't (if that's a real word) shed (no pun intended) a tear.

Lucan Bohs · 01-10-2011 11:04AM

dreamers75 wrote: »

Cracking crowd tonight, shocked at ours and theirs crowd.

I reckon 3500 so 633 in the star morrow

Official attendance was 1815 with about 600 being Pats

dreamers75 · 01-10-2011 01:20PM

Lucan Bohs wrote: »

Official attendance was 1815 with about 600 being Pats

No way in hell was there only 1200 people in the Jodi.

About 100 pats fans where i was in the Jodi above the tunnel.

Squelchy · 01-10-2011 01:40PM

dreamers75 wrote: »

No way in hell was there only 1200 people in the Jodi.

About 100 pats fans where i was in the Jodi above the tunnel.

Do they only count those paying on the night or something?!

The Jodi holds about 2700, right? If there were 600 Pat's fans behind the goal that would've made the Jodi less than half full. Not a bar of it.

I'm a rotten judge of these kind of things, to be honest, but there's no way the Jodi was less than half full. There were numerous empty seats near me, but that was just because I was beside one of the poles (and I smell bad). Everywhere else looked busy.

vellocet · 01-10-2011 02:39PM

BOHtox wrote: »

He's not going to say that. He owes us 3 million, which we'll never get.

All the more reason for him to formally walk away then surely...?

BOHtox · 01-10-2011 03:00PM

There is no execution/closure date on the deal so therefore if we sell to anther party without terminating our deal with them we could be sued for breach of contract (as we would no longer be in a position to complete our end of the deal) we need (a) Danninger to walk away which they won't do todate OR (b) a court order terminating the contract which we cannot get (no money for legal costs + previous legal rep holding up papers)

BOHtox · 01-10-2011 04:27PM

But you already knew that with your sources that are better than mine, correct?

kerosene · 03-10-2011 10:40PM

What kind of money would a loi team get for their shirt sponsorship? Some of the figures mentioned in this thread have me baffled at how clubs have survived this long

bohsman · 03-10-2011 11:09PM

Max of 100k p/a or so.

vellocet · 03-10-2011 11:21PM

bohsman wrote: »

Max of 100k p/a or so.

You think Rovers get as little as 100k from Woodies? Double it, keep going, then add a bit more.

bohsman · 03-10-2011 11:33PM

vellocet wrote: »

You think Rovers get as little as 100k from Woodies? Double it, keep going, then add a bit more.

You sure that's per year and not over the course of the contract?

Seems strange that sponsorship is going up while all other areas of income are going down even despite Rovers recent success.

aidan24326 · 04-10-2011 12:23AM

bohsman wrote: »

You sure that's per year and not over the course of the contract?

You're right, I'd say any talk of of six figure sponsorship deals would be over the course of the whole contract, not just one season. Bottom line is the LOI is not able to sustain a full time professional league. So where do you go from there? Back to semi-pro/amateur?

It looks that way to me. The move to a full-time pro league was always going to be reliant on increased attendances, which hasn't really happened. It hasn't been marketed or promoted very well.

Zebra3 · 04-10-2011 06:53AM

aidan24326 wrote: »

So where do you go from there? Back to semi-pro/amateur?

It's already there.

stovelid · 04-10-2011 12:47PM

bohsman wrote: »

Seems strange that sponsorship is going up

It did.

bohsman · 04-10-2011 01:38PM

stovelid wrote: »

It did.

By 300%?

stovelid · 04-10-2011 01:50PM

bohsman wrote: »

stovelid wrote: »

It did.

By 300%?

Nope

vellocet · 04-10-2011 02:45PM

bohsman wrote: »

You sure that's per year and not over the course of the contract?

Seems strange that sponsorship is going up while all other areas of income are going down even despite Rovers recent success.

No. Per year.

A major bookmaker wanted to take over our shirt sponsorship and we gave the incumbent a chance to match the offer, which they did.

We have 15 sponsors and partners. Bottom of page

http://shamrockrovers.ie/index.php

Just because you gave your sponsorhsip away for 6 months does not mean the rest of us are struggling

Bohemian FC well and truly fooked?

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