Bohemian FC well and truly fooked?

BOHtox

vellocet wrote: »

New poster to here, but lifelong Rovers fan and Bohs laugher-at. From the sounds of it, I also have better sources in or around Dalyer than you.

There is no doubt that Bohs have trimmed the wagebill and the fringe players are on expenses at most, but you are on la la land if you think you are paying €250,000 for the year for players like Brennan, Murphy, Burns, Heary, Cahill, Bayly, O'Brien, Price, Rossiter, Cronin, Fagan and Flood.

I understand Nutsy doesn't want his house attacked like previous Bohs managers and has his eye on other jobs ao has decided to position himself as having a young and poorly paid team in the media so it looks like he is 'overachieving' but lets remind ourselves that in all games against the Champions this year Bohs have had more league medal winners on the pitch and a much older team on average.

It just surprises me that Bohs fans are buying it

Well I'm a member and hear it first hand from the board. My mate knows a board member really well so he gets some info, which he then tells me, which members mightn't be told so unless you also have a board member telling you I doubt your story.

doncarlos wrote: »

At least.

Dundalk's average was €8250 p/w over the season, which is 330k. Bohs is 110k less and they are also paying some players over 52 weeks??? Hmmmmm

Bohs' wage bill is 200K + the three full timers whose contracts I do not know about. Apparently, as someone mentioned earlier, Murphy is on 850 a week. The others are probably similar.

bradlente

Shamrock Rovers share the wealth,Problem solved.




/troll

bohsman

vellocet wrote: »

New poster to here, but lifelong Rovers fan and Bohs laugher-at. From the sounds of it, I also have better sources in or around Dalyer than you.

There is no doubt that Bohs have trimmed the wagebill and the fringe players are on expenses at most, but you are on la la land if you think you are paying €250,000 for the year for players like Brennan, Murphy, Burns, Heary, Cahill, Bayly, O'Brien, Price, Rossiter, Cronin, Fagan and Flood.

I understand Nutsy doesn't want his house attacked like previous Bohs managers and has his eye on other jobs ao has decided to position himself as having a young and poorly paid team in the media so it looks like he is 'overachieving' but lets remind ourselves that in all games against the Champions this year Bohs have had more league medal winners on the pitch and a much older team on average.

It just surprises me that Bohs fans are buying it

For the umpeenth time it's 200k plus the 3 lads that kept last years contracts. 1 person mentioned that those 3 probably add up to around 50k but it is considerably more than that.

stovelid wrote: »

Probably only whispers but I heard if you add another 130 or 140 to the 250k, you would be closer lo the real bill.

This sounds about right when you take Fenlon and coaching staffs wages into account as well.

bohsman

dsmythy wrote: »

The Bohs guys on the thread seem to be making the point that they will lose more money with few paid players and finishing near bottom, different than what they did this year instead, because the fans would stop coming and paying in. Seems to be a problem with your fans. Not that I'm saying it is unique to you.

Does anyone know how Galway got on financially this year? And with their attendances?

One director and Bohtox are about the only Bohs fans making that argument. I would have been perfectly happy with just the kids plus Heary, Murphy and Cronin this season and Im fairly sure we would still have finished above Galway and not lost the amount of money we did.

BOHtox

bohsman wrote: »

One director and Bohtox are about the only Bohs fans making that argument. I would have been perfectly happy with just the kids plus Heary, Murphy and Cronin this season and Im fairly sure we would still have finished above Galway and not lost the amount of money we did.

again i'm not a supporter of maher.

vellocet

bohsman wrote: »

For the umpeenth time it's 200k plus the 3 lads that kept last years contracts. 1 person mentioned that those 3 probably add up to around 50k but it is considerably more than that.

And for the umpteenth time, I, and others, simply don't believe it.

I find it exceptionally hard to believe your wage bill is 29% of Dundalks or 20% of Rovers.

But while I appreciate you won't admit it on a forum like this, are you questioning these numbers or are you still stuck in 2008 when a board member boased about creative accounting?

doncarlos

BOHtox wrote: »

Bohs' wage bill is 200K + the three full timers whose contracts I do not know about. Apparently, as someone mentioned earlier, Murphy is on 850 a week. The others are probably similar.

If the three players are on €850, that equates 132k over 40 weeks. If the total wage bill minus the players is €200k that gives a total wage bill of 332k over the season.

I still think this estimate is too low but not beyond the realm of possibility. Still far too high for a club in Bohs' position though.

bohsman

BOHtox wrote: »

again i'm not a supporter of maher.

Not saying you are, just saying that not all Bohs fans in this thread are in favour of spending.

In fairness to the board we did lose out on Sporting Fingal rent, Des Kelly cancelling, prep grant cancelled and reduction in prize money after budget had been set.

bohsman

doncarlos wrote: »

If the three players are on €850, that equates 132k over 40 weeks. If the total wage bill minus the players is €200k that gives a total wage bill of 332k over the season.

I still think this estimate is too low but not beyond the realm of possibility. Still far too high for a club in Bohs' position though.

I don't have the exact figures at hand but this is very close to accurate from memory.

Also to those saying we are spending significantly more remember that we have run out of cash, we literally are reliant on income to pay wages and are not behind on wages yet, where would we get more money to pay even more?

AGC

antomorro-sei wrote: »

Same story every year with Bohs. We'll probably be all having the exact same discussion this time next year after Bohs miraculously avoid relegation or going bust again this year.

In one way I hope this is true but unfortunately we are done and dusted I fear.

TheRedDevil10

Barry Murphy, Liam Burns, Ollie Cahill, Owen Heary, Ger O'Brien, Aidan Price, Mark Rossiter, Robert Bayly, Killian Brennan, Gary Burke, Glenn Cronin, Christy Fagan and Anto Flood are the players that get paid.

Ebbs

bohsman wrote: »

I don't have the exact figures at hand but this is very close to accurate from memory.

Also to those saying we are spending significantly more remember that we have run out of cash, we literally are reliant on income to pay wages and are not behind on wages yet, where would we get more money to pay even more?

I dont think anyone cares if you are behind on wages yet. You could be 3 months ahead in wages for all anyone cares, what the big point is the savings made from reducing said wages could have been used to pay off the debt.

Bohs model:

Income: 500k
Wages: -490k

Excuse: We can pay wages just fine.

Problem: 4million euro loan due.

TheRedDevil10

10 players @ 500e a week = 5000e p/w
3 players @ 850e a week = 2550e p/w
500 + 2550 = 7550p/w
7550 x 40 weeks = 302,000e per annum

bohsman

Ebbs wrote: »

I dont think anyone cares if you are behind on wages yet. You could be 3 months ahead in wages for all anyone cares, what the big point is the savings made from reducing said wages could have been used to pay off the debt.

Nobody is debating that point, plenty of Bohs fans were very pissed off when a director tried to commit to a 200k a year player budget from next year as it's way too high. The argument in this thread seems to be about wheter we are overspending by 70% or 80% and more about Dundalk fans being horrified that we have similar budgets.

born2bwild

SantryRed wrote: »

Cheque book manager in all fairness.

I guess you're on a wind up but look at Dundalk this year - far better squad, far worse league position than Bohs - Fenlon is the difference.
Given the state of their finances it's ridiculous that they didn't let Fenlon go, put Heary in charge on a fraction of Nutsy's wage and fight it out with Drogs and Galway.
At this rate Galway can look forward to another year in the Premier.
Class - Terryland is a great away trip.

Zebra3

bohsman wrote: »

Not saying you are, just saying that not all Bohs fans in this thread are in favour of spending.

In fairness to the board we did lose out on Sporting Fingal rent, Des Kelly cancelling, prep grant cancelled and reduction in prize money after budget had been set.

Potential prize money has not been allowed to be used in club's budgets for a couple of years now.

And rightly so.

bohsman

Zebra3 wrote: »

Potential prize money has not been allowed to be used in club's budgets for a couple of years now.

And rightly so.

I doubt there's a club in the country that doesn't budget with prizemoney in mind. Licensing is for player wages, clubs have plenty of other things to be budgeting for that aren't included in licensing.

If the FAI announced tomorrow that there will be no prizemoney next season I'm sure that that would be reflected in clubs budgets next season.

kerosene

BOHtox wrote: »

yes, 100k. The sooner he goes the better. A great manager but we cannot afford him.

Surely not all loi managers are on that kind of money. I would have guessed 50k max I was well out

doncarlos

bohsman wrote: »

Dundalk fans being horrified that we have similar budgets.

I always thought that Bohs budget was similar or slightly more than Dundalk's. Only thing that I'm horrified about is that Fenlon used his a lot better than Foster

doncarlos

Zebra3 wrote: »

Potential prize money has not been allowed to be used in club's budgets for a couple of years now.

And rightly so.

It is as long as it's budgeted for the least amount that can be won. I.e. prize-money for finishing last.

SantryRed

born2bwild wrote: »

I guess you're on a wind up but look at Dundalk this year - far better squad, far worse league position than Bohs - Fenlon is the difference.
Given the state of their finances it's ridiculous that they didn't let Fenlon go, put Heary in charge on a fraction of Nutsy's wage and fight it out with Drogs and Galway.
At this rate Galway can look forward to another year in the Premier.
Class - Terryland is a great away trip.

Not on a wind up what so ever. He was successful with Shels and Bohs with a pretty much open chequebook. He was unsuccessful at Derry due to the fact they refused to stretch the budget for him.

bohsman

SantryRed wrote: »

Not on a wind up what so ever. He was successful with Shels and Bohs with a pretty much open chequebook. He was unsuccessful at Derry due to the fact they refused to stretch the budget for him.

His budget has been consistently slashed at Bohs, Sean Connor got a 2.1m budget in his last season and failed miserably, Fenlon never got anywhere near that amount to spend.

stovelid

Fenlon has the ability to be good without a cheque book although again it must be stressed that the current squad are where they are in the league because they spent that amount on players not heroics.

Wouldn't have him near Rovers because of whining and destabiliztion when he doesn't get the quids he needs from the board.

Zebra3

doncarlos wrote: »

It is as long as it's budgeted for the least amount that can be won. I.e. prize-money for finishing last.

That's actually correct.

bohsman

Out of interest does anyone know the difference between this seasons prizemoney and last seasons? Last place finish in particular, cheers.

SantryRed

bohsman wrote: »

His budget has been consistently slashed at Bohs, Sean Connor got a 2.1m budget in his last season and failed miserably, Fenlon never got anywhere near that amount to spend.

And when did he win the leagues for Bohs? When they were at their highest and far and away the highest in the league.

bohsman

SantryRed wrote: »

And when did he win the leagues for Bohs? When they were at their highest and far and away the highest in the league.

Bit unfair I think. He has also overachieved this season with a smaller budget, has a good record of bringing kids through over the years and has performed phenomenally in getting the best out of players while Bohs and Shels were in turmoil with players not getting paid etc. It's not his fault Ollie and the Bohs board have thrown money at him and he has certainly gotten a far greater return out of that money than the likes of Doolin and Connor.

Pinturicchio

bohsman wrote: »

Out of interest does anyone know the difference between this seasons prizemoney and last seasons? Last place finish in particular, cheers.

Last place was €40,000 last season. It's €5,000 this season.

It costs €19,000 to enter the league

kerosene

Pinturicchio wrote: »

Last place was €40,000 last season. It's €5,000 this season.

It costs €19,000 to enter the league

What does the winner get? their stake money back?

Pinturicchio

kerosene wrote: »

What does the winner get? their stake money back?

100,000 (200,000 last year).