Guns N' Roses Discussion Thread

Lithium93_

Motley Crue wrote: »

You could be right, I've not seen any official figures (and doubt anyone would release them) but I do think Axl's fee was probably so high alone it eclipsed maybe half of Crue and 3/5 of Def Leppard

Plus they give Rose the penthouse when he's in Vegas so he only has to take a lift straight down to the stage (more or less) - it's probably the easiest money he has ever made...that's why he wants it lol

It's all about the $$$$$ for Axl now, he's happy living off his glory days and the constant nostalgic cash grab

Lithium93_

According to Blabbermouth, GNR’s first residency grossed more than $1.6 million over six dates between Oct. 31 and Nov. 10, 2012, drawing nearly 17,500 people in all.


* Artist/Event: GUNS N' ROSES
* Show Venue:The Joint at Hard Rock Hotel & Casino
* City/State: Las Vegas, Nevada
* Show Dates: Oct. 31, Nov. 2-3, 2012
* Gross Sales: $775,119
* Total Attendance: 8,387
* Capacity: 9,839
* Ticket Prices: $179.50, $129.50, $85, $45


* Artist/Event: GUNS N' ROSES
* Show Venue:The Joint at Hard Rock Hotel & Casino
* City/State: Las Vegas, Nevada
* Show Dates: Nov. 7, 9-10, 2012
* Gross Sales: $829,220
* Total Attendance: 9,082
* Capacity: 9,908
* Ticket Prices: $179.50, $129.50, $85, $45


Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/guns-n-roses-returning-to-las-vegas-for-second-hard-rock-hotel-casino-residency/#EQDviYzpp14bIGo8.99

Lithium93_

52 today

Kiwi in IE

I saw 'Gn'R (Minus every member other than Mr Rose) twice in 2007 in Auckland and Christchurch. They never came to NZ in their heyday and, as a young teenager, I was too young to see them in Aus.

Axl was disappointing. Amazing voice as ever but flighty and running back stage every 2 minutes. Musicians ****e compared to Slash, Duff, Steven and Izzy.

Motley Crue

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Axl was disappointing. Amazing voice as ever but flighty and running back stage every 2 minutes. Musicians ****e compared to Slash, Duff, Steven and Izzy.

Compared to Steven? Really?

Pawwed Rig

Motley Crue wrote: »

Compared to Steven? Really?

Ahhh poor Steven gets a hard time. He wasn't as good a drummer as Sorum or others but he was Guns original. Always thought Matt Sorum was a bit too polished for the Appetite stuff and spoke maybe a little too nicely and showered too often

Lithium93_

Legitimate question, Does anyone here think that we'll be lucky to get another Guns N' Roses album or anything that was recorded during the 17 year saga that was Chinese Democracy

Motley Crue

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Legitimate question, Does anyone here think that we'll be lucky to get another Guns N' Roses album or anything that was recorded during the 17 year saga that was Chinese Democracy

I honestly think some form of new album will be out around November 2014, because I reckon this kind of constant touring and building on the public image and live success has got to be exactly what was lacking from the last album.

It would make no sense to tour tour tour and then only stop touring when an album is released - as Axl did last time - plus I think we've had just about enough time since the last one to genuinely start thinking "yeah, this is the date where a new song will be thrown in somewhere"

gnfnrhead

I wonder if the constant tours are to fund any future album? I know they pretty much got cut off during Chinese Democracy so the label may not be willing to put up much money this time around, hence the touring?

Lithium93_

gnfnrhead wrote: »

I wonder if the constant tours are to fund any future album? I know they pretty much got cut off during Chinese Democracy so the label may not be willing to put up much money this time around, hence the touring?

I've been thinking the same thing for a couple of years now, but i somehow doubt the constant touring would be to fund a future album, GN'R were touring and throwing around supposed release dates in support of Chinese Democracy years before it was eventually released. And Axl also said when he appeared on Eddie Trunk's radio show in 2006

"We were actually working on a song a little bit tonight that's not even on the first two records." (Axl, Eddie Trunk show, 05/05/06)

So i think there's more to Chinese Democracy, songs we've never even heard and possibly will never hear unless Axl decides to treat his fans

Lithium93_

And if you type Guns N' Roses 2000 Intentions into Youtube, you get versions of the songs on Chinese Democracy a little more stripped back

gnfnrhead

I reckon that meant he has material planned for two albums, but he isnt happy with it yet. How many years did he spend making little changes to the CD tracks? It's great that he puts so much effort in, but at the same time it sucks because he is so hard to please. All that studio time wouldnt be cheap.

Lithium93_

gnfnrhead wrote: »

I reckon that meant he has material planned for two albums, but he isnt happy with it yet. How many years did he spend making little changes to the CD tracks? It's great that he puts so much effort in, but at the same time it sucks because he is so hard to please. All that studio time wouldnt be cheap.

Well whatever was done or recorded during those years away from the public eye (besides dealing with ex's, lawsuits, the revolving cast of musicians & producers who came and went during those 17 years), i hope it'll eventually see the light of day, and i've also read that people who have the Aquarius as their star sign have extremely high standards of doing things....

And taking 17 years & millions of dollars to make an album, that would never ever happen in today's music industry, we'll never see another saga like Chinese Democracy again

Motley Crue

Lithium93_ wrote: »

And if you type Guns N' Roses 2000 Intentions into Youtube, you get versions of the songs on Chinese Democracy a little more stripped back

A lot of the information given to audiences at those 2000/01 live shows was very interesting. There's a host of proof to suggest that he was ready for an album launch in 2002 (linked with the MTV Music Awards appearance) but something prevented it at the last minute - perhaps the bad publicity and problems from the riots on the US tour....whatever the reason 2006 served as a platform to start again with a clean slate...which is why 2008 saw the release of the album after they'd been able to build up dates (especially in Europe) and regain that public confidence.

Following the dates in Europe and the album launch we then got a proper US tour and the residences, the obscure countries. I think it's a case of the band wanting to repeat that method a little and just produce the album at somestage towards the end of this year.

I'm convinced that if Axl Rose died tomorrow Geffen (or somebody) would be able to release at least three CD's worth of material recorded over several years - kind of like the Beatles Anthology - with several different rehearsals and breakdowns alongside songs we've never heard or remixes professionally produced that were never intended to be released.

'Blood On The Water' for example is, in my opinion, a new song that's just missing verse lyrics. Instrumentals and chorus were done at somestage and before the verse lyrics could be added this file was somehow stolen and passed onto the public. No I don't have it and no you can't have it.

Lithium93_

Motley Crue wrote: »

A lot of the information given to audiences at those 2000/01 live shows was very interesting. There's a host of proof to suggest that he was ready for an album launch in 2002 (linked with the MTV Music Awards appearance) but something prevented it at the last minute - perhaps the bad publicity and problems from the riots on the US tour....whatever the reason 2006 served as a platform to start again with a clean slate...which is why 2008 saw the release of the album after they'd been able to build up dates (especially in Europe) and regain that public confidence.

Following the dates in Europe and the album launch we then got a proper US tour and the residences, the obscure countries. I think it's a case of the band wanting to repeat that method a little and just produce the album at somestage towards the end of this year.

I'm convinced that if Axl Rose died tomorrow Geffen (or somebody) would be able to release at least three CD's worth of material recorded over several years - kind of like the Beatles Anthology - with several different rehearsals and breakdowns alongside songs we've never heard or remixes professionally produced that were never intended to be released.

'Blood On The Water' for example is, in my opinion, a new song that's just missing verse lyrics. Instrumentals and chorus were done at somestage and before the verse lyrics could be added this file was somehow stolen and passed onto the public. No I don't have it and no you can't have it.

A lot of good points there, a truckload of information was revealed in 2000/2001, Axl testing the nuGN'R in Vegas on New Year's Morning in 2001, then at Rock In Rio 3 - If the album had come out in 2002 i think it would've been received and Axl wouldn't have gone into hiding for 4 years - maybe the disastrous VMA's & riots on the 2002 tour shot Axl's confidence, hence hiding away until 2006...

2006 would've been the platform Axl needed to release Chinese, he was on fire vocally, and in fighting shape physically, and the band had gelled.

Maybe just maybe, there's a method to Axl's madness, he could surprise a lot of people (myself included), if a new GN'R album appeared on November 23rd, 2014. Again i'll refer to Axl's ''VAULT'' a term i've seen thrown around on MYGNR quiet a few times, maybe Geffen (Does Axl have anyone who would make sure his name & work is remembered 2 decades from now) have the rights to release whatever's in that ''VAULT'' if Axl kicked the bucket tomorrow or next year.

I'm sorry to burts your bubble, but if you listen to Blood In The Water carefully, it's just Prostitute remixed

Motley Crue

Lithium93_ wrote: »

I'm sorry to burts your bubble, but if you listen to Blood In The Water carefully, it's just Prostitute remixed

I've heard that, and the rumor that it was made by a fan, but I think the people who said those things only did so to avoid jail time or being charged like AntiQuiet

Lithium93_

Motley Crue wrote: »

I've heard that, and the rumor that it was made by a fan, but I think the people who said those things only did so to avoid jail time or being charged like AntiQuiet

It was actually Brain who did the Blood In The Water remix, allegedly and i read this on MYGNR, so take it with a pinch of salt, that Axl actually commissioned the remix of Prostitute

Lithium93_

And Axl has been on the GN'R Facebook page

Just a quick THANKS to all the well wishers and likers of our FB page here. Every single first and last one that somehow adds up to over 27 million. Yep, even the loud, obnoxious, ornery, bad-mouthing individuals that show up with the snide, irrelevant, stupid-ass remarks about what THEY construe or fantasize and keep repeating or changing in some way shape or form that we haven't noticed yet so we can bounce them off the page. And the BIGGEST thanks to those who stick with us, fighting the good fight and who support GNR across the interwebs and most importantly REAL LIFE. Looking forward to catching a bunch of you out on the road soon! peace.

Motley Crue

Lithium93_ wrote: »

It was actually Brain who did the Blood In The Water remix, allegedly and i read this on MYGNR, so take it with a pinch of salt, that Axl actually commissioned the remix of Prostitute

Did Brain also do that remix of 'Better' which sounds like it has snippets of Mortal Kombat in it...or is that also fake?

I know about most of the recent leaks, just the two versions of 'Better' from BBF and DJ and the remix and the aforementioned but I was just curious as to whether it's been established as to what's real and what's not?

Lithium93_

Motley Crue wrote: »

Did Brain also do that remix of 'Better' which sounds like it has snippets of Mortal Kombat in it...or is that also fake?

I know about most of the recent leaks, just the two versions of 'Better' from BBF and DJ and the remix and the aforementioned but I was just curious as to whether it's been established as to what's real and what's not?

That was Brain as well, the remixes of Better are as far as i'm aware are legitimate

Lithium93_

Axl Rose has popped up online again, this time tweeting his response to the euthanization of a healthy male giraffe in a Danish zoo

Just enjoying the lion's share of some tasty baby Giraffica sliders! Mmmmm! What'll them crazy Danes think of next!

But then Axl takes a serious turn by saying

But seriously, let me get this straight... The Danes killed a 2yr old baby giraffe, chopped it up n' fed him to the lions (allegedly in front of kids) to avoid inbreeding rather than find a place for it. Maybe this is a big problem over there I don't know but I'm not getting how this deters siblings n' various other assorted Danish family members from ****in' each other?! J/k ☺

Lemme get a Giraffica, a homemade cherry Danish, some o' them pre-fried Pepper's... Oh! n' a liter of cola!

Not sure what to think of Axl's opinion on the euthanization, but it's interesting that he does use his Twitter account from time to time.

Axl also tweeted his thanks for the birthday wishes

Big thanks to everyone 4 the Bday greetings n' well wishes! Really appreciated! Thanks again!!

Motley Crue

Axl's Twitter is quite interesting. I'd be curious as to whether (like, for example, Katy Perry's) it's linked with her phone...I've heard reports to suggest Axl doesn't have a mobile phone anyway because there'd be little to no point, he's always surrounded by people to take and make calls for him.

In regards to this particular Twitter feed, I think this means Axl is taking some rare time off at home and answering Tweets, popping up on Facebook, watching TV and - probably next week - he'll start logging in as 'Dexter' to HTGTH again and answer some questions.

He normally does this when he is at a rather loose end and is waiting for more touring to begin. But kinda still weird to see someone so elusive make that kind of human touch on Twitter.

Lithium93_

Motley Crue wrote: »

Axl's Twitter is quite interesting. I'd be curious as to whether (like, for example, Katy Perry's) it's linked with her phone...I've heard reports to suggest Axl doesn't have a mobile phone anyway because there'd be little to no point, he's always surrounded by people to take and make calls for him.

In regards to this particular Twitter feed, I think this means Axl is taking some rare time off at home and answering Tweets, popping up on Facebook, watching TV and - probably next week - he'll start logging in as 'Dexter' to HTGTH again and answer some questions.

He normally does this when he is at a rather loose end and is waiting for more touring to begin. But kinda still weird to see someone so elusive make that kind of human touch on Twitter.

I'd be delighted if Axl used his Twitter the same way as say Slash does, just keeping people up to date on what he's doing when he isn't touring, or perhaps a tease of the band in the studio writing a new album.... We can dream...... I'd say Axl is overdue a visit to the GN'R forums, it's been 6 years now, though if he did visit any GN'R forum it would most likely be HTGTH as it's not as troll infested/people who criticise him as MYGNR, though i've seen a thread created wanting Axl to come back.

It took me by surprise when i saw his tweets on my timeline, thought i was seeing things, but like you said as elusive as he is, he can still bring a touch of joy to many whenever he does pop up online

Lithium93_

Found this today while perusing the web

http://www.rocksins....-copping-19618/

Andy Copping was asked if he'd book Guns N' Roses for Download again following the shenanigans in 2006 and he said

Part of me would say yes to that, and would definitely prefer to wait until it was the original line up, but then the other part of me would say that Guns N’Roses as they are now are still a big act, selling out arenas and headlining festivals in other parts of the world. So you can never say no.

But certainly my preference would be, and most people’s preferences would be, to see the line up with Axl, Duff, Slash, Izzy, Matt Sorum on drums, I think Steven Adler isn’t 100% together but wouldn’t it be great if he came out and did a couple of numbers. That, a lot of people would love to see. I certainly would love to see it. But I couldn’t rule out ever having Guns N’Roses as they currently are again.

Calling it here right now, Guns N' Roses to play Download 2015

gnfnrhead

Fcuk Matt Sorum. I'd take any of the other drummers over him.

Lithium93_

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Fcuk Matt Sorum. I'd take any of the other drummers over him.

So out of all the drummers who have manned the kit for GN'R, who would be your favourite and least favourite?

gnfnrhead

Lithium93_ wrote: »

So out of all the drummers who have manned the kit for GN'R, who would be your favourite and least favourite?

Really only four drummers that you can fairly judge.

Adler, Sorum, Mantia and Ferrer. It wouldnt be fair to include the likes of Rob Gardner, Josh Freese and whoever else filled in here and there. They have almost no material to judge from. Mantia and Ferrer dont have a whole lot of material to judge on either so I wouldnt vote for either of them as my favourite nor as my least favourite.

Adler is the easy winner. He wasnt the most technically gifted drummer, but he fit the band perfectly. I'm not a drummer, but to me, he played with a lot more heart than Sorum. It seemed like it was Adler's purpose in life whereas Sorum was just there because he happened to be able to play drums. I know people will disagree as a lot of people like Sorum but I'd rather he never got involved in the first place. Adler lived for Guns N' Roses and arguably still does.

Dont even get me started on Sorum's seemingly never ending drum solos during the Illusion tours either. Good God, that must have been torture to have to sit through.

Lithium93_

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Really only four drummers that you can fairly judge.

Adler, Sorum, Mantia and Ferrer. It wouldnt be fair to include the likes of Rob Gardner, Josh Freese and whoever else filled in here and there. They have almost no material to judge from. Mantia and Ferrer dont have a whole lot of material to judge on either so I wouldnt vote for either of them as my favourite nor as my least favourite.

Adler is the easy winner. He wasnt the most technically gifted drummer, but he fit the band perfectly. I'm not a drummer, but to me, he played with a lot more heart than Sorum. It seemed like it was Adler's purpose in life whereas Sorum was just there because he happened to be able to play drums. I know people will disagree as a lot of people like Sorum but I'd rather he never got involved in the first place. Adler lived for Guns N' Roses and arguably still does.

Dont even get me started on Sorum's seemingly never ending drum solos during the Illusion tours either. Good God, that must have been torture to have to sit through.

Steven Adler is definitely an easy winner, his drumming on Appetite = NUFF SAID, it was tough on Matt when he joined as the material for the Illusions album were written and ready to be recorded when he joined. Brain as far as i know recorded and drummed over some of the stuff Freese did while he was in the band, and Freese had a hand in helping Axl write the title track for Chinese Democracy.

Frank then re recorded some of the stuff Brain did for Chinese.

Motley Crue

I don't particularly like Adler but I find it slightly offensive that Copeland should make such sweeping suggestions on either his health or his ability to play instruments

I might be going against the trend but personally I couldn't care if the original lineup never reunite, I'm not even sure I'd want to see Axl and Slash play together, I couldn't care

gnfnrhead

Motley Crue wrote: »

I don't particularly like Adler but I find it slightly offensive that Copeland should make such sweeping suggestions on either his health or his ability to play instruments

I might be going against the trend but personally I couldn't care if the original lineup never reunite, I'm not even sure I'd want to see Axl and Slash play together, I couldn't care

For what it's worth, I dont think they ever will. Everyone seems happy with what they are currently doing and time isnt on their side anymore.

The best we'll get will be more of the special guest spots Izzy and Duff have done in recent years.