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Five arrests in 'slavery' raid at UK [travellers] site

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    #302
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Do you mind if I ask where? Just that I have not heard/read it. He is ass't director of Pavee Point, right?

    Yep. He was on the radio yesterday. Shouldn'tbe a surprise to anyone. Pavee have been very vocal on slavery/exploitation issues for years.


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    #303
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    alastair wrote: »
    Yep. He was on the radio yesterday. Shouldn'tbe a surprise to anyone. Pavee have been very vocal on slavery/exploitation issues for years.
    Well that is interesting. I mean as the ass't director and spokesperson of Pavee Point, if he came out an condemned it, how can it then be said that Pavee Point are being silent on the issue?

    Also, and this is a genuine question to Zohan... how do the travelling community come out and denounce it as a group? Would they have to all sign a collective petition, or have a spokesperson for every site/community manage to get on air/in print to do likewise? Or is there some other body apart from Pavee Point that I am ignorant of?


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    #304
    thebigbiffo
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    double post


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    #305
    thebigbiffo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    I've no great love for the 'travelling community' - too many bad experiences down through the decades - but I'm not buying this whole thing. Something's not right. 'Slavery' should mean being forced to work for nothing - this does not seem to be the case. Exploitation maybe, not slavery. The whole camp wasn't exactly surrounded by barbed wire - those 'slaves' could have fecked off at any time but obviously chose not too.

    Morally, it is wrong by the looks of things but calling this slavery reeks of media/pinko opportunism.


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    #306
    tfitzgerald
    Registered Users Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭tfitzgerald


    MCMLXXV wrote: »
    Don't we have a lengthy thread on this already?



    Sarcasm or troll?
    mikom wrote: »
    King Billy86, right?

    Mikom you hit that nail on the head wonder did he know the travellers were from "Norn iron":pac:


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    #307
    TheZohanS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,582 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    alastair wrote: »
    Given that Collins is Pavee's spokesperson, and that there's probably no meeting scheduled at Pavee for 'official' statements, it sounds like you're just selectively deaf. Saddo.

    If you have to resort to insults such as calling posters "Saddo" then I don't think there's much point in engaging with you because name calling infers that you might not have the intellectual capacity to carry out a reasoned debate. Jog on, you're not worth getting banned over..
    Billy86 wrote: »
    Also, and this is a genuine question to Zohan... how do the travelling community come out and denounce it as a group? Would they have to all sign a collective petition, or have a spokesperson for every site/community manage to get on air/in print to do likewise? Or is there some other body apart from Pavee Point that I am ignorant of?

    That's a fair question. I suppose the local community on the site that the police raided would be best placed to come out and condemn the actions of those that were arrested. They have access to the media and you can be sure that the media would accommodate them. Likewise a soundbite from Pavee Point on a radio station is not enough in this case, they should, at the very least, issue a statement. They're well able to do it when they believe the travelling community have been wronged.


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    #308
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    http://paveepoint.ie/
    Last update, Sept 7th.
    Title: Birth Cohort Follow Up Report to All Ireland Traveller Health Study released

    Well done.


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    #309
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    TheZohan wrote: »
    If you have to resort to insults such as calling posters "Saddo" then I don't think there's much point in engaging with you because name calling infers that you might not have the intellectual capacity to carry out a reasoned debate. Jog on, you're not worth getting banned over..

    I think we all have the measure of you. How's that 'deafening silence' working out for you in the face of cold facts to the contrary?


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    #310
    Dublindude69
    Registered Users Posts: 770 ✭✭✭Dublindude69


    Maybe now we can get something done about Travellers. Maybe we can ship them all to Lambay Island and they can live together there is they don't want to live by the laws.


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    #311
    suicide_circus
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    Someone called Connors involved in criminality?


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    #312
    K-9
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    TheZohan wrote: »
    Pavee Point and the entire travelling community have been very silent over all of this. I've yet to hear anyone from either group condemn what happened.

    As has been pointed out their spokesman was on the radio condemning it. I'm not sure what you mean by the entire travelling community?

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #313
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    Shocking stuff


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    #314
    Dublindude69
    Registered Users Posts: 770 ✭✭✭Dublindude69


    A report just came out stating that there where more arrests made earlier this year over this. How come we're only hearing about it now?
    The report also said it seems to be only travellers with the surname Connors that are involved.


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    #315
    ebixa82
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭ebixa82


    Dublindude69 wrote: »
    A report just came out stating that there where more arrests made earlier this year over this. How come we're only hearing about it now?
    The report also said it seems to be only travellers with the surname Connors that are involved.

    Blacky from Glenroe was one of the ringleaders according to sky news..


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    #316
    wild_cat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭wild_cat


    Connors is a very wexford Traveller name. Is there any pictures of the lads that have been charged?


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    #317
    Amber Lamps
    Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭Amber Lamps


    wild_cat wrote: »
    Is there any pictures of the lads that have been charged?

    Yeah here. Super charged


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    #318
    wild_cat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭wild_cat


    Amber Lamps wrote: »
    Yeah here. Super charged

    :rolleyes::rolleyes:


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    #319
    TheZohanS
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    K-9 wrote: »
    As has been pointed out their spokesman was on the radio condemning it. I'm not sure what you mean by the entire travelling community?

    Few posts up, their local community, where the arrests were made.

    A report just came out stating that there where more arrests made earlier this year over this. How come we're only hearing about it now?

    Racist.


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    #320
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    That's a fair question. I suppose the local community on the site that the police raided would be best placed to come out and condemn the actions of those that were arrested. They have access to the media and you can be sure that the media would accommodate them. Likewise a soundbite from Pavee Point on a radio station is not enough in this case, they should, at the very least, issue a statement. They're well able to do it when they believe the travelling community have been wronged.
    True enough on PP, though the soundbite may be a sign of something on the way, as they are obviously in a very delicate situation themselves on this. However I could not agree more about the local site, and I think their silence (coupled with the boobatic on Sky News yesterday) comes over as very, very damning indeed. It's one of those situations where (in my opinion) 'the better you know them, the quicker you have to act' which buys PP a bit of time to themselves try to get to the bottom of it somewhat before making a full statement, but where the people living in the same houses as those arrested need to make their point very, very soon. It's only been a day and a half, but that window is almost closed already, with regards to them (the neighbours).


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    #321
    lynski
    Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭lynski


    Billy86 wrote: »
    True enough on PP, though the soundbite may be a sign of something on the way, as they are obviously in a very delicate situation themselves on this. However I could not agree more about the local site, and I think their silence (coupled with the boobatic on Sky News yesterday) comes over as very, very damning indeed. It's one of those situations where (in my opinion) 'the better you know them, the quicker you have to act' which buys PP a bit of time to themselves try to get to the bottom of it somewhat before making a full statement, but where the people living in the same houses as those arrested need to make their point very, very soon. It's only been a day and a half, but that window is almost closed already, with regards to them (the neighbours).
    You can't think of a traveller site like a street. the people living in the house next door are brothers/sisters/aunts/uncles/cousins/or a combination. They live together and work together. They not only knew about these guys, they were part of the reason those guys were there. Even if they did not use them themselves they knew about them. this is not a fritzel or jacee case, they were not hidden. the cleaned the site when not out working.
    This is a widespread practice of travellers, in my experience, and is happening everywhere there are travellers who travel.


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    #322
    Andy-Pandy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,848 ✭✭✭Andy-Pandy


    lynski wrote: »
    You can't think of a traveller site like a street. the people living in the house next door are brothers/sisters/aunts/uncles/cousins/or a combination. They live together and rob together. They not only knew about these guys, they were part of the reason those guys were there. Even if they did not use them themselves they knew about them. this is not a fritzel or jacee case, they were not hidden. the cleaned the site when not out working.
    This is a widespread practice of travellers, in my experience, and is happening everywhere there are travellers who travel.

    FYP


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    #323
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Lynski... did you read my post you just responded to?

    And all travellers who travel? I thought others on here were saying it was all travellers who don't travel? Or all travellers full stop? I'm not even responding to that stuff after this point, because I have known a few different groups of travellers and can tell you that last sentence of your post is simply untrue. It's a poor and untrue generalisation that does nothing but further the divide between both communities, which in no way helps anything.


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    #324
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    This is an unbelievable story. It's hard to believe there's still slavery in this day and age.

    But would it be asking too much to leave the all-out traveller bashing out of it? There are decent honest people among them who are persistantly blackened by criminals like these and by a lot of the settled community who seemed to feel we are are some-how above them.

    Lets leave it out for once.


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    #325
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Some people can't tell the difference between defending travellers who are good people, and defending this kind of exploitative operation.


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    #326
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Dudess wrote: »
    Some people can't tell the difference between defending travellers who are good people, and defending this kind of exploitative operation.

    Who here is defending anything?


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    #327
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Sigh... I'm agreeing with you.


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    #328
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Dudess wrote: »
    Sigh...

    Elaborate please?

    I wasn't getting at you....just wondering if I'd missed something?

    Just saw your edit....to be fair it's hard to know on AH sometimes!


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    #329
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Dublindude69 wrote: »
    A report just came out stating that there where more arrests made earlier this year over this. How come we're only hearing about it now?

    Because sometimes indignation is a slow burning thing.

    Alternatively, some arrests were made and the cops got some names and some co-operation...rather than instantly put it out there they protected the investigation and increased it's scale and scope.


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    #330
    lynski
    Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭lynski


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Lynski... did you read my post you just responded to?

    And all travellers who travel? I thought others on here were saying it was all travellers who don't travel? Or all travellers full stop? I'm not even responding to that stuff after this point, because I have known a few different groups of travellers and can tell you that last sentence of your post is simply untrue. It's a poor and untrue generalisation that does nothing but further the divide between both communities, which in no way helps anything.

    i read your post i was saying that you cant expect a response or excuses from the others because they were involved.
    Did you read my post? i did not say all I said where there are travellers who travel. there is a difference between those who travel and those who don't and In My Experience those who travel engage in these practices.


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    #331
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,652 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    A petition signed by the travellers in the Greenacre site has been released

    "We the travellers at the Greenacres Camp totally abhor slavery"


    Signed -


    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    x


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