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*Everything HPAT and Medicine 2012*

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    #2162
    ismisekatie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24 ✭ismisekatie


    QueenOfLeon wrote: »
    :P Whatever about the CAO handbook, some career guidance teachers have absolutely no idea how the CAO works! I asked the same question (about having the same chance if a course was further down your list) when I was applying and my career guidance teacher reckoned that by having my backup course at number 6 (after the 5 medicines), anyone who had it at number 1 would get it before me, even if they had 200 points less than me :rolleyes:

    Can't really blame all the people who fill out the CAO forms wrong when that sort of information is flying around!

    did you find out yes or no that they will get it before you? :s


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    #2163
    hollingr
    Registered Users Posts: 486 ✭✭hollingr


    QueenOfLeon wrote: »
    :P Whatever about the CAO handbook, some career guidance teachers have absolutely no idea how the CAO works! I asked the same question (about having the same chance if a course was further down your list) when I was applying and my career guidance teacher reckoned that by having my backup course at number 6 (after the 5 medicines), anyone who had it at number 1 would get it before me, even if they had 200 points less than me :rolleyes:

    Can't really blame all the people who fill out the CAO forms wrong when that sort of information is flying around!


    Also doesn't help that the information 99% of students actually need from the CAO handbook is spread over 26 pages, and is written as if it's some sort of constitutional law.. The important info isn't exactly jumping off the page at you.

    They could at least summarise the key points in a few short sentences and have that as the start page! Also the F.A.Q page is utter tripe.

    Bunch of feckless eejits!


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    #2164
    NoHarm1994
    Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭NoHarm1994


    hollingr wrote: »
    Also doesn't help that the information 99% of students actually need from the CAO handbook is spread over 26 pages, and is written as if it's some sort of constitutional law.. The important info isn't exactly jumping off the page at you.

    They could at least summarise the key points in a few short sentences and have that as the start page! Also the F.A.Q page is utter tripe.

    Bunch of feckless eejits!

    Strongly worded letter time ;)


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    #2165
    hollingr
    Registered Users Posts: 486 ✭✭hollingr


    I think i'll wait till after I get a place to moan at them.

    Don't trust them to apply "random" selection if they hate my guts! :p


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    #2166
    Mr.Fun
    Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭Mr.Fun


    Hey guys so the story is I did very very bad in hpat. With regards the cao choices surely I can take medicine off it.Im a bit confused as they will have my hpat results but I wont have medicine down. Im a bit confused


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    #2167
    QueenOfLeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭QueenOfLeon


    ismisekatie wrote: »
    did you find out yes or no that they will get it before you? :s

    They definitely won't, read my previous posts! ;)
    Mr.Fun wrote: »
    Hey guys so the story is I did very very bad in hpat. With regards the cao choices surely I can take medicine off it.Im a bit confused as they will have my hpat results but I wont have medicine down. Im a bit confused

    It won't matter if you have HPAT results recorded but no medicine on the form. However, don't take it off unless you're absolutely sure that you won't get it, if you're just reading points predictions they're rarely completely accurate!


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    #2168
    Just Like Heaven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,132 ✭✭✭Just Like Heaven


    Mr.Fun wrote: »
    Hey guys so the story is I did very very bad in hpat. With regards the cao choices surely I can take medicine off it.Im a bit confused as they will have my hpat results but I wont have medicine down. Im a bit confused

    Confused about what exactly? You can take medicine off, and then that's it. They'll still have your hpat score, but it won't make any difference to anything.


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    #2169
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,139 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Mr.Fun wrote: »
    Hey guys so the story is I did very very bad in hpat. With regards the cao choices surely I can take medicine off it.Im a bit confused as they will have my hpat results but I wont have medicine down. Im a bit confused

    Don't take it off.
    If you don't get the points for it, it won't affect anything, but you never know, there is a chance you might do outstandingly well in the Leaving and then you'd be rightly sick if you had taken Medicine off your list of courses.
    It won't do you any damage to leave it there.


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    #2170
    hollingr
    Registered Users Posts: 486 ✭✭hollingr


    If you are 100% sure your hpat isn't good enough (under 165 or so) and you don't have space for other courses you might like to do, there is no harm in changing things around. Maybe even just take off trinity and other high score colleges and leave one or two of the lower ones just in case.

    It all depends on what other courses are you interested in, and how likely you are to get those other courses based on your points expectations etc.. If everything you want to do fits on the form as it is now, I wouldn't change anything.


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    #2171
    QueenOfLeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭QueenOfLeon


    hollingr wrote: »
    If you are 100% sure your hpat isn't good enough (under 165 or so) and you don't have space for other courses you might like to do, there is no harm in changing things around.

    I wouldn't be specific and give 165 as a cut off point tbh, you don't want people coming back here in August and saying "people on boards said under 165 had no chance so I took it off and I would have got it!!" etc :P

    165 + 565 = 730 ...2 points more than what would have got in last year, and yes, aiming for just a 2 point rise is very optimistic, but you can't rule something like that out.

    Better to leave it on "just in case", even if the chances are slim.


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    #2172
    FaoiSin
    Registered Users Posts: 789 ✭✭✭FaoiSin


    How about 155 :P :pac:


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    #2173
    hollingr
    Registered Users Posts: 486 ✭✭hollingr


    QueenOfLeon wrote: »
    I wouldn't be specific and give 165 as a cut off point tbh, you don't want people coming back here in August and saying "people on boards said under 165 had no chance so I took it off and I would have got it!!" etc :P

    165 + 565 = 730 ...2 points more than what would have got in last year, and yes, aiming for just a 2 point rise is very optimistic, but you can't rule something like that out.

    Better to leave it on "just in case", even if the chances are slim.

    That's why I said only take off the higher points colleges like Trinity and leave the lower ones! But still I agree, wouldn't take anyone's word with regards a cut off.. we can still hold onto a distant dream of a drop this year. :p

    No harm of leaving a few med courses on your CAO regardless of your hpat points, but if you are below 165 realistically your chances are very slim and you should be entirely prepared for the outcome of not getting in and have other options fully explored!


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    #2174
    Mr.Fun
    Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭Mr.Fun


    Hi guys thanks for all the help.You see the most combined points I can get now is 705 and thats only if I get 625 points! Im pretty sure it wont be enough. I think I will take it off my cao. Again THANK YOU for all the help!


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    #2175
    pinkballetdance
    Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭pinkballetdance


    hollingr wrote: »
    737 doesn't mean i'm in.. I only applied to RCSI/UCD/TCD :confused:

    I have an interview monday for mature entry and still have to do bio and chem for the l.c. Still about 12 chapters left to cover in biology before I even start revising/learning stuff off.. Going to be a tough few weeks!!


    Why don't you put down UCC and NUIG now? On the change of mind? :)


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    #2176
    NoHarm1994
    Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭NoHarm1994


    pinkballetdance wrote: »
    Why don't you put down UCC and NUIG now? On the change of mind? :)

    ssssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....


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    #2177
    hollingr
    Registered Users Posts: 486 ✭✭hollingr


    as far as I know, you can't add restricted entry courses at this stage! :p

    Also for reasons of day to day living costs and some other responsibilities I can't attend a college outside of Dublin. Interview went well in RCSI for mature entry yesterday so I am expecting to have a place there, I'll find out within two weeks.

    :)


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    #2178
    NoHarm1994
    Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭NoHarm1994


    hollingr wrote: »
    as far as I know, you can't add restricted entry courses at this stage! :p

    Also for reasons of day to day living costs and some other responsibilities I can't attend a college outside of Dublin. Interview went well in RCSI for mature entry yesterday so I am expecting to have a place there, I'll find out within two weeks.

    :)

    Congrats best of luck :)


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    #2179
    QueenOfLeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭QueenOfLeon


    hollingr wrote: »
    as far as I know, you can't add restricted entry courses at this stage! :p

    I think it is possible once you've got some down already and you've sat the HPAT. As far as I remember I threw in a 5th in the change of mind!


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    #2180
    hollingr
    Registered Users Posts: 486 ✭✭hollingr


    that is interesting.. thanks for the heads up. If all else fails I may have to "change my mind" about taking up a course outside dublin!

    when does change of mind close?


    edit: just checked.. 1st of july. plenty of time! :p


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    #2181
    Helloxoxo
    Registered Users Posts: 49 ✭Helloxoxo


    QueenOfLeon wrote: »
    hollingr wrote: »
    as far as I know, you can't add restricted entry courses at this stage! :p

    I think it is possible once you've got some down already and you've sat the HPAT. As far as I remember I threw in a 5th in the change of mind!

    I think the deadline for restricted courses was earlier in the year though


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    #2182
    Paralysis
    Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭Paralysis


    Helloxoxo wrote: »
    I think the deadline for restricted courses was earlier in the year though

    I really hope not! I added NUIG and Cork yesterday!


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    #2183
    Helloxoxo
    Registered Users Posts: 49 ✭Helloxoxo


    Paralysis wrote: »
    Helloxoxo wrote: »
    I think the deadline for restricted courses was earlier in the year though

    I really hope not! I added NUIG and Cork yesterday!

    http://www2.cao.ie/handbook/handbook/index.php this makes me think if you already had a med down you can put another down if you call them


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    #2184
    Paralysis
    Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭Paralysis


    Helloxoxo wrote: »
    http://www2.cao.ie/handbook/handbook/index.php this makes me think if you already had a med down you can put another down if you call them

    You have to call them ?! This is not good... I just saw there was an option, so presumed I could just make changes!

    Just read the handbook - not as bad as I thought - shall I just cancel the choices? Will they interfere with my others? I go to school in the UK - careers department don't have a clue, so there's no-one I can ask!


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    #2185
    finality
    Registered Users Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭finality


    Paralysis wrote: »
    You have to call them ?! This is not good... I just saw there was an option, so presumed I could just make changes!

    Just read the handbook - not as bad as I thought - shall I just cancel the choices? Will they interfere with my others? I go to school in the UK - careers department don't have a clue, so there's no-one I can ask!

    No don't cancel them, they won't interfere with your other choices. As far as I know Queen of Leon is right about being able to add other med courses once you have at least one down already.

    Worst case scenario is that those choices aren't counted and you'll get your next preference after them - which would happen if you took them off ANYWAY. If you want them, leave them down.


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    #2186
    Paralysis
    Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭Paralysis


    finality wrote: »
    No don't cancel them, they won't interfere with your other choices. As far as I know Queen of Leon is right about being able to add other med courses once you have at least one down already.

    Worst case scenario is that those choices aren't counted and you'll get your next preference after them - which would happen if you took them off ANYWAY. If you want them, leave them down.

    Great, OK thanks :) Panic over...


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    #2187
    FaoiSin
    Registered Users Posts: 789 ✭✭✭FaoiSin


    Just to clarify. Will I be able to take medicine off my cao and replace them with other courses?


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    #2188
    spasmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭spasmaster


    YeaaahFaoiSin wrote: »
    Just to clarify. Will I be able to take medicine off my cao and replace them with other courses?

    yeah should be no problem.


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    #2189
    Helloxoxo
    Registered Users Posts: 49 ✭Helloxoxo


    Paralysis wrote: »
    Helloxoxo wrote: »
    http://www2.cao.ie/handbook/handbook/index.php this makes me think if you already had a med down you can put another down if you call them

    You have to call them ?! This is not good... I just saw there was an option, so presumed I could just make changes!

    Just read the handbook - not as bad as I thought - shall I just cancel the choices? Will they interfere with my others? I go to school in the UK - careers department don't have a clue, so there's no-one I can ask!

    Well it just says you can put it down but get in contact to confirm? I'd say it's fine!


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    #2190
    NoHarm1994
    Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭NoHarm1994


    I just rang UCD there asking if it was possible to do Biomed and Health Sciences or Radiography for a year (and presuming I get enough in the HPAT next year) and then skip premed. Hence being able to avoid the 8000 euro charge or something, but they weren't very helpful just saying 'there is no guarantee.' :mad:

    Anyone out there have any experience of this or would I be better taking a year off next year instead of doing a year of the courses mentioned above?


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    #2191
    pros_medhead
    Registered Users Posts: 11 ✭pros_medhead


    NoHarm1994 wrote: »
    I just rang UCD there asking if it was possible to do Biomed and Health Sciences or Radiography for a year (and presuming I get enough in the HPAT next year) and then skip premed. Hence being able to avoid the 8000 euro charge or something, but they weren't very helpful just saying 'there is no guarantee.' :mad:

    Anyone out there have any experience of this or would I be better taking a year off next year instead of doing a year of the courses mentioned above?

    Hi there, i am a current Biomed student, and have looked into it. this is an email i got from Carl Lusby who is the student advisor for Med, Biomed and international students in UCD....

    I'm afraid there is not a definitive answer to this, which is probably why you were receiving the automated replies.

    Because UCD offers a six year programme, students being offered through the CAO get offered this programme. Only after they have accepted, is a decision made on what students, if any, will be offered a five year place.

    It would appear likely that you would be offered such a place, but there is no guarantee at this stage. Unfortunately it depends on how many qualify for the 5 year and how many places they decide to offer. This can be different each year.

    I'm really sorry that I can't give you a firmer answer, as I know there are financial implications in all of this.

    With every good wish, Carl


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