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Quick Reviews - Liquid

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  • Registered Users Posts: 319 ✭✭Allan45121


    When I said they weren't for me, I didn't mean they were horrible... I did soldier on and finish the 2 bottles ;-) but they just took a little while longer to empty than most!
    Sorry!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,555 ✭✭✭youdipstick


    Allan45121 wrote: »
    . Colonel custard from tjuice wasn't for me, nor was grants vanilla custard. i've heard good things about abc from chefs vapour in uk, I'm gonna get a small bottle with my next concentrate order.

    Here are two custards I use...

    http://artisan-eliquid.com/product/creme-brulee/ I just ordered 2 x 30ml 24mg bottles...€27 delivered.Beautiful stuff.

    http://www.vapingking.co.uk/kings-custard This is more creamier & a great custard,they also do this custard in 10ml pre-steeped,I have tried all their custardy flavours & Kings Custard imo is the best of them.

    I am not a great lover of Grants,I would vape it no problem if I got it cheaper,the British Pound is really taking the piss or is it the Euro that is sh**e.


  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭Deag4


    Bought colonel custard. Very weak. Mixed at 20 %. Steeped for a month. Still weak. I'm too cheap to order from the uk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Thecageyone


    I can recommend a lovely custard juice: Gremlin juice - Vanilla custard

    It's lush. It smells and tastes precisely like a very creamy vanilla custard, not overpowering, no cheap/synthetic taste, needs a bit of a steep but not very long. I left mine a week and it's vaping grand. I guess it was pre-steeped/bottled. I got it from CloudhouseVapor

    Great prices on there too


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    Ordered some liquids from diabloeliquids. com.

    He threw in a bottle of 666 Park Avenue, which is a strawberry cheesecake flavour.

    I'm not one for cheesecake flavours at all, hate them generally. This one, however, is lovely. Just a hint of strawberries and cookie, and not too sweet. I like that his juices are 50/50 too, much less harsh on my throat than the 70/30 I usually use.

    Surprising myself by saying I'd definitely order it again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,555 ✭✭✭youdipstick


    Ordered some liquids from diabloeliquids. com.

    He threw in a bottle of 666 Park Avenue, which is a strawberry cheesecake flavour.

    I'm not one for cheesecake flavours at all, hate them generally. This one, however, is lovely. Just a hint of strawberries and cookie, and not too sweet. I like that his juices are 50/50 too, much less harsh on my throat than the 70/30 I usually use.

    Surprising myself by saying I'd definitely order it again.

    I use his liquids in drippers & the two I love is the 666 Park Avenue & Falling Skies & perception,OH! thats three,supernatural tastes like an out of date Turkish Delight,I made a mistake & put it in a T3S,I realized later that I ordered all his liquids at 6mg to be used with sub ohm RDA's,so it is very weak inside a T3S.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    I use his liquids in drippers & the two I love is the 666 Park Avenue & Falling Skies & perception,supernatural tastes like an out of date Turkish Delight,I made a mistake & put it in a T3S,I realized later that I ordered all his liquids at 6mg to be used with sub ohm RDA's,so it is very weak inside a T3S.

    I have yet to try perception, although I have a bottle of it at home. Quite liked highlander too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,201 ✭✭✭moonboy52


    Triphammer - Fruit Pastilles

    An easy 9/10 for me. I cannot say more than it tastes just like a mouthful of pastilles.


    Triphammer - Strawberry

    Probably an 8/10. It does not taste artificial at all. More like a Strawberry Jam flavour.


    Both are 70VG/30PG and my Nautilus has no problem keeping up with the Pastilles.


  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭Deag4


    Where can you buy concentrates for diy. Been using ez smoke t juice. Would like to try others


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,201 ✭✭✭moonboy52


    Deag4 wrote: »
    Where can you buy concentrates for diy. Been using ez smoke t juice. Would like to try others

    There are loads of places but if you want to buy locally John Curran has a decent supply:

    http://www.picknmixdiy.com/


  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭Deag4


    That's exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks a million moonboy52


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,035 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    I recommend Libertyflights.co.uk and Decadent Vapours therein.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,431 ✭✭✭rottie 11


    Anyone use the dekang liquids? I got vanilla and hated it but I liked the strawberry, is it possible to get bigger bottles than 10ml


  • Registered Users Posts: 319 ✭✭Allan45121


    rottie 11 wrote: »
    Anyone use the dekang liquids? I got vanilla and hated it but I liked the strawberry, is it possible to get bigger bottles than 10ml

    thebestshop.eu do 50ml bottles. good value for starter juice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,431 ✭✭✭rottie 11


    Allan45121 wrote: »
    thebestshop.eu do 50ml bottles. good value for starter juice.

    Thanks il have a look now


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,431 ✭✭✭rottie 11


    Whats pg and vg???


  • Registered Users Posts: 319 ✭✭Allan45121


    rottie 11 wrote: »
    Whats pg and vg???

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEjaBYoaSak

    google is your friend


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,431 ✭✭✭rottie 11


    Allan45121 wrote: »

    I was actually wondering why some were so watery , now I know. Cheers :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Does anyone know where I can get 50ml bottles of flavourtec? I really like their strong spearmint, but all the sites that have it in 50 ml are in Eastern Europe and for some reason won't let me complete the order...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,035 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    I got some Italian liquid in Cork yesterday which I hadnt seen before. BioFumo.I think its called? The pipe tobacco was pretty good!

    Edit: thought it was ok in the shop but.. no. Feel a bit ill from vaping it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 473 ✭✭nuttyboy79


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    I got some Italian liquid in Cork yesterday which I hadnt seen before. BioFumo.I think its called? The pipe tobacco was pretty good!

    Edit: thought it was ok in the shop but.. no. Feel a bit ill from vaping it.

    Still have some of their mint liquid from Vapefest very wishy washy not impressed at all.

    But on the other hand Wingnuts latest addition to their line up of juices Odins Blood wow it's a nice vape, apple all the way through on this with a wispy hint of blackcurrant I tried this a few weeks ago while it was being developed and loved it the finished article is so much better. Like a fizzy Miwadi along side Red Astaire my 2 ADV have been found for now until Vampires Kiss is sorted out and the next ones roll out from the mad scientists lair in Wingnuts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭Didihno


    Must try that, the folks in ESI were telling me last week their new juice was out soon, but I didn't get the impression it was available now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,555 ✭✭✭youdipstick


    I love "Falling Skies & 666 Park Avenue" "Grimm ok but it is too peachy for me" never tried Highlander,but I will.
    "Perception & Supernatural was horrible,I didn't like it at all,might suit somebody who has bad breath :D:D:D:D

    I see "The Best Shop" is selling it now as well.


    http://www.diabloeliquid.com/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭54kroc


    I love "Falling Skies & 666 Park Avenue" "Grimm ok but it is too peachy for me" never tried Highlander,but I will.
    "Perception & Supernatural was horrible,I didn't like it at all,might suit somebody who has bad breath :D:D:D:D

    I see "The Best Shop" is selling it now as well.


    http://www.diabloeliquid.com/

    How do you get the 40% off?


  • Registered Users Posts: 21 Pubben


    54kroc wrote: »
    How do you get the 40% off?

    The discount code is 40 days of 40


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,555 ✭✭✭youdipstick


    I believe the code is "40 days of 40"

    I got 40% off a few weeks ago,I'll double check to make sure.


    Yes,it is 40 days of 40.
    Add everything to the basket & type code into the discount code box.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭54kroc


    Pubben wrote: »
    The discount code is 40 days of 40
    I believe the code is "40 days of 40"

    I got 40% off a few weeks ago,I'll double check to make sure.

    Cheers lads.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    Discount code, valid til April 5th is '40 days of 40'

    You can also add in another code -' Irish Vaping' for another 10% off.

    Ended up at 13.48 for four bottles delivered, and the man threw in a free bottle of 666 park avenue (lovely, btw).

    For the poster who hasn't tried highlander - it's lovely. I'm using it at the moment :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37 WarmT


    Discount code, valid til April 5th is '40 days of 40'

    You can also add in another code -' Irish Vaping' for another 10% off.

    Ended up at 13.48 for four bottles delivered, and the man threw in a free bottle of 666 park avenue (lovely, btw).

    For the poster who hasn't tried highlander - it's lovely. I'm using it at the moment :)

    What's the deal with with that 40 days of 40 code? Couldn't get it to work. Do you have to spend a certain amount or only buy certain things?

    Edit: nevermind, I misread the post, I thought this was for the best shop site :/


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 lethalsmoky


    Anyone tried Vampire Vape's Heisenberg? its blowing my mind, can't really describe the flavour its like a fruity blueberry, bubblegum with a cool menthol aftertaste.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭london.irish


    Anyone tried Vampire Vape's Heisenberg? its blowing my mind, can't really describe the flavour its like a fruity blueberry, bubblegum with a cool menthol aftertaste.

    It's a hard one to describe, a bit too "wow" for my liking, but I did tone it down with some fruit smoothie and it was my vape for a week. I do like the Vampire Vape's "Bat Juice" though, kind of liquorice and berry, good quality juice, but usually as a treat as it's €7 for 10ml in our local B&M, a bit too rich for an every day vape!


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 lethalsmoky


    It's a hard one to describe, a bit too "wow" for my liking, but I did tone it down with some fruit smoothie and it was my vape for a week. I do like the Vampire Vape's "Bat Juice" though, kind of liquorice and berry, good quality juice, but usually as a treat as it's €7 for 10ml in our local B&M, a bit too rich for an every day vape!
    Ill have to try it out. Its 6 euro a bottle at the healthysmoker shop in rathmines or else you can get it online for around 5 euro.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭Cool_CM


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    I got some Italian liquid in Cork yesterday which I hadnt seen before. BioFumo.I think its called? The pipe tobacco was pretty good!

    Edit: thought it was ok in the shop but.. no. Feel a bit ill from vaping it.

    I got the same brand in Vanilla when I was stuck and didn't like it much either. I generally tend to end up buying my juice in Dublin as there is a much better selection than in Cork City. Currently working with Liqua citrus mix, can pick it up in 30ml and no complaints!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    Any Irish vendors online stocking the heisenberg juice?

    Also, chewie cherry by vape swag is quite possibly the nicest liquid I've ever had


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Recently started vaping again.Off the analogues 7 weeks now just vaping.

    Anyway quick review...wicked royal carllos.
    Tried both 24 and 18mg.24 way too strong and found myself coughing a bit with it.
    18 is just right.Nice throat hit and plenty of vapour.
    Supposed to be like carrolls and they're not far off the mark.

    Best tobacco flavour I've tried so far.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Thecageyone


    Coval Vapes: Butterscotch pudding

    As a lover of King's crown: Claim your throne, but not so much the price, I was intrigued when I heard about this juice. Especially as some reviews I seen on it suggested it was even nicer! And for a fair chunk cheaper. I didn't expect it to be as good tbh, but at €13.50 for 30ml, I thought I'd give it a shot, if it was even close I'd be happy. Turns out it is just as good, and it's good quality liquid too. Nothing cheap tasting, or smelling, about it. As soon as I opened the bottle I got a burst of what I would describe as 'werther's original' aroma. Now, they say Werther's aren't actually 'butterscotch', but butter toffees with caramel flavouring - but I've always thought they tasted more like butterscotch, and that's the flavour I was after. This stuff is like liquid werther's! It's got that lush creaminess, just like the sweets, and that butterscotch .... so moreish. I will definitely be ordering more. I have some MBV butterscotch on order, so I'll wait to see which is better and which will claim that throne as my fav butterscotch juice, because I'm not paying €20+ for 30ml when I can get this stuff much cheaper. Awaiting a replacement for my iStick 50w, so haven't had the chance to try this out in the Atlantis - I think it will be lovely though, and only then can i say if it's better than CYT for sure. As that is rather good in that set up. But even in an iClear 30s on the Vamo this stuff is very tasty. Well recommended to anyone who likes their CYT, or just creamy butterscotch flavouring in general. I got it from Cloudhousevapor, unlike the MBV juices it's pre-bottled, so ready to go, and a set ratio of 30/70 PG/VG, perfect for drippers or subohm tanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭RIchieNouveau


    Does vaping work out dearer than smoking at those kind of prices in the Atlantic and those kind of tanks Cagey?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Thecageyone


    Does vaping work out dearer than smoking at those kind of prices in the Atlantic and those kind of tanks Cagey?


    It would start getting close if I was paying €20+ per 30ml and using the Atlantis all the time for sure. I go through a fair bit of juice per day as is, the Atlantis likes to almost double the intake! So anywhere I can save a few bucks is good. I ordered 70ml of juice yesterday that cost €25 total inc p&p, that's much more like it.


    I don't believe any juice is worth over €20 for 30ml, that's ridiculous pricing really. I'll only pay that when it's a premium juice I know I'll enjoy every drop of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,035 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Claim Your Throne really is a great liquid by aint nobody got time for those prices. I like the idea of the Butterscotch but am still suspicious of anything that's too buttery after the Diacetyl hoopla. :mad:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭TinCool


    To be fair, I've tried an awful lot of juice over the years, having emptied out my juice drawer on more than one occasion of horrendous stuff.

    I've come to the conclusion that you may find a premium juice that is the bomb, but what's the point when the stuff is so expensive.

    It usually goes like this.

    Ooh, I'd love to try some new juice. So off I go, read some bulletin boards, reviews and decide on a couple of new juices. I place an order usually of 10mls of said new juices. Now I've got something to look forward to. Sitting at my desk in work waiting with impatience for reception to tell me that my vape mail has arrived. Stroll casually to reception and get back to my desk. Open the package and revel over the bottle. Wow, its a bottle. Take off the cap and have a whiff, and think "meh, I hope it tastes nicer than that" or "oh great another nutty juice" or "it smells like digestives, it's going to taste like one".

    Fill up a tank or whatever and take a toot and think "mmm, well that was a complete waste of money/time". Or the other side is, "this stuff is the bomb" and two weeks later the vapers tongue sets in or you just go completely off it and go back to the average priced menthol or tobacco juice that you've always used.

    Me, I still do order new stuff from time to time, but I mostly vape hangsen spearmint and liqua french pipe and golden viriginia. Why ? Cos it's cheap, relatively decent quality, get a decent throat hit from it and it tastes nice (for me anyway).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Thecageyone


    Sounds a lot like me too TinCool. I do the research, watch and read tonnes of reviews, then decide to go for it and wait [im]patiently. It doesn't always turn out so great as expected. I've bought some terrible juices over the past 2 years. But lately, things have gotten much better I feel. The overall quality of e-juices has improved significantly - and I think nowadays, if I buy a premium juice, I know it'll be good. Maybe not precisely what I'm after, but there's no more chucking in the bin ...certainly not for €20+ a bottle!!

    I couldn't get on with a lot of the cheaper juices, I did try over time, just to have some I would happily vape daily and then have the pricier ones as a treat, at weekends or whatever. But ended up giving many of them away. I'm not sure which is worse in the long run? Buying expensive juices I'll love, or buying cheaper ones I won't like to give away ... :D

    I have found Mountbakervapor juices to be decent enough for cheap. So I'm in the process of trying out a variety of their flavours. I do realise many of them are to be culled though, so will have to keep an eye on that. But for now, they work out good value, so long as you buy in advance. As they are made to order, they almost always require steeping, for at least a week.

    I read all about the diacetyl issue with some buttery flavour juices, I would like to think that has all been sorted/improved upon? I'm not going to over worry on it anyway, I change flavours regular enough. In the last few weeks alone I've gone through various custards, banana creams and other choc/fudge/cream desert types, fruits and sweets and onto the butterscotch atm, with some more sherbet fruit juices on the side.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,743 ✭✭✭dasdog


    Alternative Smoking Virginia (9mg)

    Best I've tried yet but I'm only three months 100% post analogue, don't like sweet things and have been sticking mainly to the Italian liquids.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37 WarmT


    So finished all my ordering for a while and have built myself up a nice starter selection of liquids that should tide me over.

    New to vaping, using 2 x Nautilus Minis @ 1.8ohm bvc coil thingies and usually vape around 4v and using third biggest air hole, with an E-leaf mini istick express (10w) and an E-leaf 30w istick.

    There's no real point me going higher watts with the Nautilus minis so what I'm getting from these liquids may either be ideal or not enough, I dunno but I'm happy enough.
    Gonna get a Lemo 2 next month if I can.

    I primarily do mouth to lung as I'm still only off the smokes less than 2 weeks so the lungs can't cope with direct to lung yet.

    I'm no pro reviewer so these really are just my own quick thoughts on what I've tried so far from what I've ordered over the last week or so.

    With the exception of the Diablo liquids (ordered direct from them), everything ordered from TheBestShop and E-SmokeIreland.
    All vendors prompt delivery.
    TBS threw in free 10ml of Krunchberry from mom & pops vapor.

    Used "boards" 10% discount on ESI and "irishvape" 10% discount on TBS.

    Used both "Irish Vaping" and "40 days of 40" discounts codes together on Diablo E-Liquid for a total of 50% off!

    Anyway...

    ---

    T-Juice -- Red Astaire 30ml (16mg) - 12.95 euro
    (80pg/20vg)

    I'm currently vaping this right now and it's not too bad.
    It smells very strong in the bottle and it's taste seems to linger a lot in your mouth afterwards.

    Very little vape cloud (presume that's the low VG content) but the flavour/taste is strong. Not overpowering strong either, seems just about right.

    I'm getting the taste of menthol and blackcurrant primarily, a hint of the anise too.

    It reminds me of those blackcurrant lemsips.

    Smooth vape, not harsh at all, nice throat hit.

    I like this one a lot, just seems to be balanced really well and even if it does remind me of blackcurrant lemsips I can see myself flying through this one.

    Edit: After a couple days vaping this my chest and throat feel sore, throat especially. Nicotine content feels higher than that stated and I think the high PG content negatively effected me.
    So, bare that in mine for yourself before you purchase this one.

    ---

    G2 Vapor (Prime) -- Drunk Monkey 30ml (18mg) - 19.50 euro! (30pg/70vg)

    So an expensive "prime" liquid this one and all natural ingredients so comes with warning that it doesn't play well with plastic tanks if that's what you use.

    I'm tasting strong and very nice creamy banana with a slight taste of rum, which I think is just about what they say themselves is what's in it.
    It reminds me of a really nice banana toffee of some sort.

    Very very smooth vape, nice throat hit but not too harsh either, especially considering I picked a high nicotine content.
    Huge vape cloud from this and I guess that's from the high VG content.

    Even from mouth to lung hits the cloud is big, so much so that I've found it leaving water vapor droplets on my nose hair if I happen to exhale out my nose (a nice reminder to shave my nose hairs maybe!).
    Can only imagine the exhale leaving a guy with a moustache dripping of vapor, which must be annoying or maybe it's a cool thing for some, I dunno.

    It is a lovely liquid, it really is nice but I just don't think it's worth nearly 20 euro but that's just me.
    I've not tried similar tasting liquids so can't compare if it's worth the premium price over similar tasting.

    There's some extended highly praising reviews out there for this liquid if you search around as well as for the maker and their facilities.


    ---

    I'll come back as I get time and throw up quick reviews of the others I've bought and vaped as I go along.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭Didihno


    Lolling at the wet nose hair!
    I've a beard myself and yes, vaping = wet moustache, kissing wife = 'eeew get away from me' (well, more than usual).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Thecageyone


    I want to try Red Astaire, but at 80 PG, no thanks! I've been told that there will be a 60/40 version of it soon. That might be a little easier on the system. I think PG drives my indigestion/hernia/stomach mad.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭EGriff


    I think PG drives my indigestion/hernia/stomach mad.

    I'm starting to think the same. I was getting bad heartburn for a few weeks recently, then I bought a load of quality juice: G2, Cosmic Fog and Triphammer, all around 60% VG and I haven't had any heartburn since.

    Could be down to something else but I'm blaming the PG for now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37 WarmT


    I want to try Red Astaire, but at 80 PG, no thanks! I've been told that there will be a 60/40 version of it soon. That might be a little easier on the system. I think PG drives my indigestion/hernia/stomach mad.

    Yeah I didn't know what the ratio was when I bought it from e-smokeireland as it doesn't mention it on their site and unreadable on the bottle. Had to check the makers website afterwards to get the ratio.

    After vaping it a couple days now, my chest and throat actually feel like they've taken a beating.

    The bvc coil in the Nautilus mini also sounds like it's spitting.

    My chest and throat pain could also be down to side effects coming off the smokes or the high nicotine in the liquid, which feels a lot higher than that stated.

    I dunno but after a couple days vaping it, I'm gone off it completely now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    I've found that I have the opposite problem!

    Started buying more expensive juice, at 70/30 vg/pg and my stomach is in bits from them. 50/50 is fine, but higher vg gives me a very dodgy tummy. Gonna deal with it though because I'm not giving up on vape swag juice


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭RIchieNouveau


    WarmT wrote: »
    Yeah I didn't know what the ratio was when I bought it from e-smokeireland as it doesn't mention it on their site and unreadable on the bottle. Had to check the makers website afterwards to get the ratio.

    After vaping it a couple days now, my chest and throat actually feel like they've taken a beating.

    The bvc coil in the Nautilus mini also sounds like it's spitting.

    My chest and throat pain could also be down to side effects coming off the smokes or the high nicotine in the liquid, which feels a lot higher than that stated.

    I dunno but after a couple days vaping it, I'm gone off it completely now.

    I had similar problems with the nautilus mini giving me a scratchy throat and tight chest. Same juice was fine in other tanks. Have you tried the juice in another tank? I couldn't overcome the issues and swapped it, it's a shame because it vapes well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37 WarmT


    I had similar problems with the nautilus mini giving me a scratchy throat and tight chest. Same juice was fine in other tanks. Have you tried the juice in another tank? I couldn't overcome the issues and swapped it, it's a shame because it vapes well.

    Interesting, thanks.
    No not tried another tank yet, only kind of new to vaping really.
    I'll hang on to the juice though as I plan on getting a Lemo 2 when they're available next month or so, will give it a try in that and see how it goes.


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