Cork GAA Discussion Thread

thinkstoomuch1

corkrobinhood wrote: »

Why is Ray Carey not on it?

Delighted Ruari Deane is in there,i'd agree on Barry O Driscoll,i'd give Colm another try,hes far tougher than Barry anyway.

I'd have McLoughlin before Galvin,but again I'd like to see how both do in a tight league game.

The forwards available are scary,the backs scare me

We will be able to judge galvin and mcloughlin in the league,i think he will make it,but if galvin isnt up to it,i will be the 1st to say it.
Yeah colm is tough but is better at half back than a forward?


Cant wait to c the team picked.


Carey couldnt train til after clyda were beaten and it dint fit with cuthbhert.He is not up to that level ,but its strange when he isnt picked as he wouldnt train since the start yet dual players are more than faciltated.

corkrobinhood

I'm surprised by that Carey decision,I would have felt he was still good enough,has his play got that bad in the last 2 years away? Shame really,I always felt he was one of very few of our defenders who could stick with a quick Kerry forward.

D'Agger

I'm not suprised by the Carey decision tbh

a) It's the league and there's plenty of time for him to play himself back into contention, given he's had a longer season with Clyda, maybe best to give him some time to recover and regain form
b) His form for Cork hasn't been great for the past two years imo, Cork management are right to try out different players, like I said, it's the league, it should be used to learn how your extended squad can perform

thinkstoomuch1

D'Agger wrote: »

I'm not suprised by the Carey decision tbh

a) It's the league and there's plenty of time for him to play himself back into contention, given he's had a longer season with Clyda, maybe best to give him some time to recover and regain form
b) His form for Cork hasn't been great for the past two years imo, Cork management are right to try out different players, like I said, it's the league, it should be used to learn how your extended squad can perform

Id agree with that

He was super in 2009 but never scaled those heights since.He was made look better than he was with clya 12 men behind the ball,and he was at fault for the 1st goal sunday.

What is ironic is Cuthbher having one rule for dual players and another for others.I dont see a problem in carey not training with cork as he was with clyda ,and its same with the the crokes players with kerry.

Id say he wont get on it now.Yeah you like the hurlers with cussen and naughton hear the door is still open,its just talk,they didnt make the league,no way will they be recalled.

Its a good panel ,but there is at least four that are no way related to senior intercounty against a top 4 team.

Cuthbhert wasnt ruthless bar carey but he wasnt there last year.Lyons ,murphy,killan o connor never had a realistic chance with sheehan so drop them is no suprise.


A huge worry is he has lads that have been shown up time and again yet not just on the panel but very much in line to start for cork.


Deane is a good call,but hes form was just as good as october yet they left him out.Tralee it ,i heard on good authority had done a piece ,stats wise and a profile on him and gave to the cork management,a cork man is with tralee it in the background.Great to hear ,but a poor reflection when such efforts had to be made to get a lad with great bite and cut and can actually play and kick a ball to get on the cork panel-when most of cork bar the management failed to see what was before them.


A mixed bag from them so far and hardly inspiring stuff.

Interesting to hear the team later,should be beating westneath by at least 5 points,as there captain is out.Thats the expected mininum performance I want .Kildare should test us next week.

thinkstoomuch1

WHAT THIS IS:

Ard Scoil and Hamilton meet in the. 2014 Harty Cup Semi final in Mallow ,on the 1st of February at 3.30,the second time both teams have played each other in the Harty this year,the 1st time was in the Mallow venue in the Autumn and the North Ciruclar Road team were victourious on a score line of 4-20 to 3-14.

ARD SCOIL RIS HISTORY:

Ard Scoil ,are all boys secondary school in the heart of the Treaty county ,on the North Circular Road , in existence since 1963 and from around 50 students at the start  ,it has now over 700,and have became a powerhouse in Rubgy and GAA,and it has had distinquished rubgy men like Paul O Connell who was a Munster Heinken Cup Winner,Lions Test Series Winner and Former Series Captain,Grand Slam Winner,and Captain of Ireland.
Current Munster and Ireland Rubgy Internationals  David Kilycoyne ,and Leinster and Current Irish International Sean Cronin are also past pubils that graced there corridoors,but have excelled in there chosen sport.

Sam Lynch the Irish Rower and a World Champion with Ireland went to the school.

In GAA many former Clare and Limerick Intercounty stars went to the school such as Nicky O'Connell,Darach Honan(mother is a Cork woman),Cathal Mclirnery(joint captain when they won the Harty in 2010,and Kevin Downes,Declan Hannon,Adrian Breen ,(UCC,suprise ommisson from the senior intercounty set up)Seamus Dowling,and Niall Moran .

It is not just Sport the school is known for ,but Pat Cox, former President of the European Parliment ,was a former pupil,and renowend debater also went there.
If you want an entertainment link with the school ,look no further than,Dave Chambers and Bob Mcglynn ,of Rubberbandits fame ,as they are  past pupils.They are  trying to become the first Limerick school since CBS Sexton Street brought an All Ireland Title at senior schools back to Limerick in 1966 and it remains more a question of when,rather than if,that they accomplish that feat.The young Cork hurlers in 1966,were not the only boys that became men.That school are the only school,in Limerick that won a Croke cup,they won it in 1964 also.

Corks schools have won the Croke Cup14 times.In the Harty Cup just 3 Limerick schools have won it ,CBS Sexton Street ,have 10 Harty's ,and St .Munchins have just the 1.

Cork schools between ,St .Finbarrs Franfrerris (current Hamilton selector Noel Crowley won a Harty with them and would have learned under the expertise tulage of there Coach the Great Canon Michael O Brien,)North Mon,St Colmans,Midelton, Chriost Ri,and Cholaiste Iognaid RIS,they have over 40 titles and if Hammies were to win one,they would form a "Magnificent 7"in Cork schools that won the famous Harty Cup.

A bit like the spider that could not get up the wall.He may fall down repeatedly ,but he never stops trying,and eventually he finds a way.A bit like that spider,Ard Scoil won't give up ,and it is just a matter of time ,before the Dr.Croke Cup is resting at Ard Scoil.

And "Time" has been the storyline of Ard scoil,it has not been a case that many believe in that,the pick of talent between Limerick and Clare is put together,for instant success.Far from it.The foundations since 2002,have been laid and great work by the likes of Cormarc Bonnar of Tippereary,Liam Kennedy,Derek Larkin of Offaly, , Liam Cronin,Niall Crowe, Fergal Lyons ( a Cork man)and Pat Tobin , Victor Leydon,Tom Hennessy,Colm Honan (father of Clare player Darach), ,Jimmy Browne(expierence with Clare minors and u21 and LIT, Natal O’Grady and Joe Hannon (father of  Declan) among may others  at various times have all helped the school at various stages make good progress.

Niall Moran ,got involved in the mid 200O's and introduced modern training,recovery sessions,nutrition,post match video anayalis,tactial awareness and it benfited them greatly.


Of course they got money inputed in  to them from the Limerick and Clare County boards, and  the Limerick Supporters Club in Dublin and that is of mutal benefit ,there are players from both counties involved,so they will reap what Ard Scoil sow.

They also got  help from the various GAA boards in Limerick and  John Lyons of Supermacs down the years. They have been given the provison of use of facilties for use in many grounds,Meelick,LIT and Ul's superb North Campus complex,to name but a few,and combined with the huge support of parents ,they have and continue to build something special in Hurling.The money as it inevitably does made a difference,but it could not have helped,unless like the change in Dublin Hurling,it needed the "Will of the people involved"and it had that in abundance.

They are the only Munster school to compete in all A grades at u14,15 etc up along,and on any academic year they could have up to 14 teams in competition.

They learned the hard way,lost there 1st Dean Ryan Cup in 2005,won the Dean Ryan in 2008 and then decided to enter the Harty Cup in 2007, and  won the 1st one in 2010.They lost a Thriller of a Dean Ryan Cup to Midelton this year by a point,in a match they could easily of won.Just like the Dean Ryan 2005 loss did not set them back,the 2013 loss is unlikey to do so also.
The next generation of Ard scoil Harty Cup teams are already  taking shape on the production line.

Again there is a structure and organistion to everything they do ,and a clear path to Glory lined out.The school has a vision,and have  the teaching and coaching staff to implement it,along with the talent to cultivate there dreams in to reality.They then won two succesive Harty cups in 2010 and 2011,two White Cups (u15)and won and u14 All Ireland in the last few years.

In essence,everyone from the teachers,to the coaches,to the county boards,the sponsor,the parents and most importanly the players themselves have turned Ard Scoil  from a minnows competing in B Hurling in to a Powerful and Significance force"in terms of competing and winning regulary at the elite level of Senior Schools Hurling,the Harty Cup.And the school is a credit to both Limerick and Clare Hurling and all involved with them.a

HAMILTON HIGH'S HISTORY:
The school is an all boys Catholic Secondary school situated North of the River in Bandon .It is a privately owned school and it was founded by Sean Hamilton and the a Limerick man Patrick Cahill.It is owned to this day by Sean's son,Padraig Hamilton ,and is very much in line with the traditions and foundations it was built on.Sean Hamilton,was a great man,and is known to have cycled from Bandon to Cork City ,to school every day ,hail,rain or snow,as a young scholar go to school in Cork.He done it the hard way,and like this present new generation,no obstacle is ever too big for them,they just get on with it,and as seen as seen in this years Cork Colleges which they won in hugely convincing style ,and the Harty Cup ,when the odds are against them ,they like the founder of the school,always had the endurance,stamina ,and determination to reach there goal ,no matter how long or diffcult or ardourous that journey is.

The school has around 375 pupils and has  7 teams involved GAA across different levels , and are already in a Munster B final in football,with many duals players on both teams.Noel Crowley ,GDO with the Cork County board has done fantastic work with them,and so too has Aidan O Donuguhe.They get there players mainly from Valley Rovers,Bandon,Newcestown,and Courcey Rovers .

They wouldn't have the financial rescources of Ard Scoil.
They don't use that as an excuse not to succeed.In fact,former Prinicipal ,and coach of the Hurling teams,Kerry man ,Jim Costello said once ,that what makes the school so succesful ,is there is very little"Dont's"in the way of school life ,and there ethos is much in line with giving the students the freedom and trust to do things themselves .

For such young lads ,that is paying of ,and that ethos is very much in line with the way they play the game,they are not afraid to play themselves out of trouble at the back ,and play with a smile and freedom and fluency like they did ,last Tuesday ,that the postive ethos they have always enables them to look forward and embrace and relish a challenge,instead of  playing with fear and not being as succesful.

Famous past pupils ,are the legendary GAA journalist ,Con Houinhan,former Cork hurling captain Pat Kenneally ,and former Cork Senior football Captain and current Cork Senior selector Owen Sexton.

Judge Con Murphy,who has a Cup presented in he's honour ,to the winners of the Junior A Hurling league in Cork GAA is also a past pupil.

Most notably more famous in Football,in that they won a load of Munster B,and C competions down the years and two All ireland a  B football title in 1975 and a C title in  2007,Hurling is now far from the poor relation.They have won Munster Senior C hurling titles,B U 16 title in 2012,u15 C ,but never won in the A grade,and from 1995 up to last year,never entered it ,but in the second year back,became the 1st school from West Cork to advance to a Harty Cup Quater Final.

In 2012/2013 they won there 1st match 1-18 to 3-10 against Chriost Ri,beaten by just 3 points to quater finalists Midelton,drew with the defending champions Nenagh and pushed Thurles all the way.

They are not satsified to rest on there laurels,onwards and upwards they remain.

THE FORM GUIDE OF BOTH TEAMS:
Ard Scoil have got here,with a total of 8 goals-96 points(4 the 1st day against Hammies in Mallow)and conceded 8-47 ,3 of those againts Hamilton the 1st day and ,Hammies are one of few teams to get that many against them  and in truth could of had 5 that day.


Hammies have got 8 goals in a return of 8-78 and conceded 6-65,but It is important to note they have unlike Ard scoil who failed to score in 2 games,they only failed to find the net once against Dungarvan .
They know where the goals are,and while they never threatned to raise a green flag ,against Dungarvan ,they are more than capable of scoring them.It is a good sign,they can win a game ,when they don't score them.

Hammies  got 9 goals in 3 games in the Cork Colleges Truimph,but it was the way they beat ,and dismantled Midelton ,that really was there stage,they had no fear against the reigning champions that were going for 3 In A ROW,and like when they beat the powerhouses and traditionalists in St Colmans ,St Flannans,Dungarvan with 5 of last year Dr.Croke winning team ,they always find another gear within themselves against the best.A great sign of a team.
How far is left in them?,is like how long is a piece of string?in that no one can say with certainty ,but there is more in them,enough to beat Ard Scoil this Saturday ,only the passing of time will answer that.

IS THIS GAME THE FOREGONE CONCLUSION MANY BELIEVE IT IS:

Ard Scoil are a formidable team with the huge talent they have from, various clubs in Limerick(Adare,Patrickswell,Na Piarsaigh etc) and Clare (Clonlar,O Callaghan Mills,Sixemile bridge etc)yet like any schools team ,are not unbeatable at all,at all on any given day.

They were beaten by Templemore last year ,and were huge favourites ,they drew with St .Colmans in the Group stages,who they were expected to beat easily ,and the question remains,while,they are fine in free flowing games,can they win a close game.There must be a worry,a geuine fear that the lack of most games they played ,are over as a contest in the last quarter,if Hammies are with them ,in the last quarter,it is unchartered terriorty for them and it remains to be seen how will they react in the heat of the battle.

They were huge favourites in the Dean Ryan Cup,and then Garan Manley,ace man ,for Midelton was unable to start.No body saw them beaten.Then 9 points up,Midelton ,made a super ,super comeback.
The lesson like I always believe in, is that school teams  deal with expectation differentLy and understandably,as these are still young lads and many are not as battle hardened as other teams.

No one gave Facthnas a chance against Jack O Connor Sceilge,or against Brendans in the Corn Ui Mhuiri  football last week.Hamilton were not expected to beat Dungarvan,or were  Rochestown against Thurles .Jack O Connor was wary of that ,and tried to play Facthnas as favourites.

Ard Scoil before last week game was even as low as 1/2 to win the Harty outright,and not just the seni final.Favourites yes ,but no way are they by that much.It is sheer madness for anyone to back large sums on a schools game ,as there is always that degree of uncertainty attached to them.

The underdog has a huge advantage in these games.As seen in minor and u21,huge favouritism can test a team.Dr.Crokes a senior team,were expected to win in a canter against Cratloe in the Munster Final, yet they barely won in the end.

And this semi final is going to be like an intercounty minor match,in both teams are prepared as such ,and have so many talented players ,that ,are set to grace intercounty teams in the future that, who ever wins the game has to be focused entirely ,and turn up on the day,not just take to the field ,but they have  to be focused on it.


Ard scoil have such favourtism,the way they blitz teams ,and with so many intercounty stars,all the focus is on them.They are expected to win .Hamilton ,have done so well,they are winners no matter what ,and are in bonus terrirorty.

The other huge advantage they have is they were beaten to almost most 50/50 balls,there touch was way off,yet they never gave up the good fight against Ard Scoil in the 1st group stage,and a lesser team would have thrown in the towel.They stuck at it ,and they know that within.And they were much closer to them and the 9 point winning margin suggests .

Hamilton have resilence .They had only minimal ball work done in the lead up to that game, compared to Ard Scoil who had there  Limerick Intercounty stars  benefiting from  top class hurling just weeks before ,in the minor All Ireland semi final to Galway .They had the touch,where Hamilton were way off the pace,and gave away two sloppy goals ,and that team then had not the confidence or belief they have now 14 weeks later.They know they are better this time around.

They are a shadow of that team that played in the Autumn,and winning the Cork Colledges beating Midelton, then in the Harty Cup beating Dungarvan ,St Flannans and beating Templemore in the Munster B Football last week,with a lot of the hurlers playing  in Mallow,they fear no one. There is a belief in them.

The venue has a huge bearing also.Just like Thurles ,has became the home of hurling for Cork ,the West Cork school has had a good love affair with the North cork venue.

Hamilton have had many a good day in Mallow in hurling and football,even as far back as 2005,,in the Old Mallow Venue of Carrokeal,they won a Munster C football.

They beat Dungarvan last Tusday there,and then in the same venue beat Templemore on the Friday in the football.It is safe to say they know every corner ,and blade of grass in Mallow,and this is like a home match,as there will be a huge Cork crowd in general at it,as North Cork loves it's hurling,and unlike a weekday,a Saturday makes it viable for most to attend the game.

With Rochestown also  doing well,Midelton winning the Dean Ryan Cup,and the appointment of Mark Landers and Denis Ring to the Cork Minor team,complimented by the great appointments of Ger Cunningham to the Cork u15 team,and the Rock to the Cork u16 team,there is a great buzz and excitement back in Cork underage hurling,and that will make many a Cork fan  go to Mallow this Saturday,added to the fact ,a lot will want to see recently called up Cork Senior Michael Cahalane ,among many other stars on the ptich.

They played Ard Scoil in the 1st round match here ,the day they got beat but that day they learned they were a match for the best ,and that day was the turning point for them ,in that they learned you must start a game against the best well.Against Flannans,in the next game they tore in to the game from the off.

They now have there 4th game here,and have a familarity with the venue ,that is another string to their bow,and I would imagine they are delighted to be back there.
Ard scoil only played there once ,and they know Hamilton have an advantage,such was there decison to play Cork minor hurlers in a challenge match last thursday night,to add to the one game they played there.

THE MATCH ITSELF:

Barry Fitzpatrick is a top full back from Sixemilbridge and tipped to rattle the Clare u21 team .He is solid,strong ,under the high ball and knows how to man he's aera,and has oceans of Hurling.Trevor Horgan ,a dual Cork minor ,has faced the best and while he has not always came out on top,he has survived ,and that is good when your up against the best,to break even.Last Tuesday ,he faced the Waterford Captain and super full back Kevin Daly ,and got two points from play ,and made two scores,but crucially won ball when the need for he's team was greatest ,and when Daly did win ball,he chased,harried and blocked him,in that Daly always could not clear fast long ball,but had to lay it off ,to a team mate,and second phase possesion is easier dealt with by your half back line.

So while it seemed he was not doing much,in essence he was doing a lot for he's team.He has huge scoring in him,and he will cut loose some day ,3 goals in a county minor and u21 final and maybe now is the time to play him at centre forward,and Cahalane at full ,as Cahalane will be targeted.I expect an element of suprise with Hamilton,but it remains to be seen what that may be.He done it against Clare at minor this year also with 3 good points.

Kevin Daly only conceded one point from play to Brian Molloy in the All Ireland minor final ,that is how good an opponent,Horgan faced.Fitzpatrick has two good corner backs around him,in particular Na Piaraighs Josh O Halloran ,and if Casey starts at centre back ,then he may mark Reilly,but Kevin O Donovan is just as lively and got a great goal in the Cork College final,and whatever 3 they start here,there is scoring in them,but the forwards  and that is a credit to them and there coaches ,work just as hard of the ball as they do on it,and yes they have key men,but Hamilton are a team in every word.

The half back line of Ard Scoil has Gordon  Brown,and Mike Casey ,two club men at Na Piarsaigh,where a lot of Ard Scoil lads play ,and former  Ard Scoils players both past and present had a huge part in the clubs two Munster Senior club tiles,and Casey is likely to play against Portumna at corner back in the up coming Club Semi final.He is fast,and can hurl both sides.

Jack English compliments that line and they are a huge threat to Hamilton,as they must be prevented from getting a foothold in the game,as if they do,they will starve Hamilton of any forward supply of ball ,and thus will give there own lethal forwards possesion to work with .

They had Ronan Lynch,super from placed balls within 60 yards of goal,and also able to score from a sideline cut,at midfield the last day,and he got 3 points from play out there.Will he remain there or drop to half back and form an all Na Piasaigh unit?

Jerry O Neill has to have a huge game ,and him and maybe the excellent David Healy with 3 points against them in the 1st game will start in the half forward line,and he also can drop in and help midfield,and he is well able to score from distance .If Horgan ,or Cahalane is in there at centre forward,that unit should win ball.

I think that the middle third may be congested at times and Kevin O Donovan may drop deep from corner forward also and help them out in defence like he did last week.Ard Scoil will want to crowd out Hamilton,and in particuar ,Cahalane.Hamilton need to use every length of the ptich,and spread out at half forward ,as O Neill and Cahalane or  Horgan are capable of winning there own ball,and using there strength and power.In last weeks challenge match,Cork kept Ard Scoil open and wide,and Eoghan Kinery and Sean Hayes won a load of ball at half forward.

For that reason,I hope the lightening fast,and skilful ,Eoin o Reilly starts in the other corner,as he is able to play in a two man full forward line,and he's pace ,with the space inside could be a real threat different to what Fitzpatrick expects .

Eoin O Reilly is similar to Billy Dunne,and the Cork minor caused Ard Scoil huge problems last week with he's pace and got 2-1 from play.Fitzpatrick is a fine full back,but a fast nippy forward can cause him problems.Dunne kept swtiching,with Dan Landers,a big man.Hamilton have to do the same,numbers don't mean a whole lot up front once they all get the right ball,they have to keep rotating and moving players.Ard Scoil will try and do what Clare done to Cork,crowd there half forward line,and win the match from there,and the half back unit likes to hunt in packs.

If Casey is at centre back,they loose that yard of pace inside in the full back,so every cloud if Hamilton are smart enough can have a silver lining for them.
Curran who is a fine player may start at half forward.It will be a case of horses for coarses.


Midfield will be vital ,and Jonathan Mulchay and Luke Meade who was everywhere the last day,a certainty to make the final cut of 30 when the Cork minor  panel is announced this week ,will have a great battle with Cian O Brien and either Ronan Lynch or Clares Ian Galvin who may play half forward and can score.

The half back line of Murt Kenneally,the majestic and brave Chris O Leary,and Niall Murray,were awesome last week,hooking and blocking,winning ball,and then playing short cross field passes to a spare man,always in  control of  possesion,not hitting wasteful long Hail Marys to the forwards.
O leary did not fare the best against Cian Lynch,(ciaran carey nephew)the 1st day,but he was awesome against Flannans,and Midelton in the Cork College final,and also against Dungarvan ,he hurled a lot of ball ,and that unit will hold there own against any half forward line left in the competition.
Lynch will try and drag O Leary all over the ptich,so the likes of Meade etc ,will have to drop back and help when the need arises.Meade has fitness to do that and is lovely hurler,very fast hands.


The full back line of Captain Michael Mcsweeney ,definetly one of the best full backs in the competiton,will be solid and whether it is Alex Morey of Clare ,or more likely Michael O Loughlin,he won't let the side down.A brillant,brave block ,in the last few minutes against Dungarvan,showed he is brave,a leader,and like Cahalane up front,with O Leary ,very much the heartbeat of the team at the back.


Morey is lightening fast ,and Jack O Callaghan ,would have the pace for him.Crehan of Clare is just as good,and Andrew O Connell will have a tough opponent.
Mcsweeney is the key to that unit,he's commanding prescence,and hes always talking to the backs to keep there shape is a good foundation for them,and once you have a good defence ,with a superb. Centre and full backand Hamilton do,they have a realistic chance.

THE BEST TILL LAST:
Which leaves us  to Michael Cahalane ,and Ronan Lynch.This is no slight on any of the other 28 players,as there is great talent there,but these two men I feel are the best men for either teams.


Cahalane has played senior hurling since 2nd year,only there 3rd ever pupil to have that distinction,and done it in football also.He has a lot of schools expierence,played in minor and u21 county finals for Bandon,senior hurling for Carbery,played in an Intermediate County final at 17 for Bandon,played for Cork minors in hurling and football,and has a load of expierence,and is calm and composed,and has sublime natural skill,natural strength,poise,elgance,a great hand,and as he's side line cut showed with that super point last week,he has all the basic skills in hurling,but excels in them.He is hugely versatile,in he could play half or full forward ,or even centre back,such a great reading and understanding of the game he beholds at a young age.He has been ,and that is no suprise , called up to the Cork Senior team in the last week,and I expect to see him in a few games in the league.He did not and rightfully so play any game time for Cork on Saturday,and that was a wise move,as he had played Tuesday and Friday for Hamilton.He's day will come with the Cork Senior team,that is a certainty.

He's scoring rate is superb.Ten out of the teams 13 points last week.A super goal and around ten points against Ard scoil in the group gameg.Around 1-8 against Flannans, and 6 from play I think in the Cork Colleges final.


He got 1-11 against the Barrs in an u16 county final,got 3 goals against the Rockiers at U14 county final,this year got 18 points in a minor game against Carragline ,and got like 14 points in the Carbery u21 final out of he's teams 18 points againrgt Newcestown.
He got 1-1 against Kevin Daly ,for Cork against  Wateford this year.


Ronan Lynch is just as vital for Ard Scoil,and just as versatile,in that he
has the pace to play anywhere 2 to 9,and is such a presence with so much hurling,and fast hands ,and a good man under a high ball,he is just at home at centre back or full back,but he has so much hurling and can score long range points,he would be wasted at full back.

He was superb last year for Limerick minors,and is  a pivotal figure this year for that team.He did mark Cahalane already  in the group game,Cahalane got a great goal, but Lynch had hes moments too.

They may mark each other if both start at centre back or centre forward respectively ,or Ard Scoil may go with Casey on him,and let Lynch play at midfield,hence he can score ,and also play a sweeping role ,as a defensive midfielder just ahead of Cahalane,or just behind him,helping Casey out.I think they may do that.

Cahalane can handle either player,but two together is impossible,and if that happens,then Hamilton need to be cute and  drop him in full forward,  and withdraw the half forwards,with O Reilly inside with him,if that happens Ard Scoil are between a rock and a hard place,as if Lynch goes back to double team him,he can't score from there ,and horgan can win ball at centre forward also for Hamilton.

Either way,Hamilton will be keen to watch Ronan Lynch if he stays at midfield,and Curran or O Donovan may  have to help out in curbing him.
The key for Hamilton is not to let Cahalane be crowded at centre forward ,and if they do crowd him,they must utilse the free space that is bound to be else where.Both lads are a joy to watch in free taking,and the art of sideline balls.Both are key men in there teams of stars on Saturday.The match ups have could end up in many different variables,and that unkownity adds to the excitment and fasination of this game.

THE VERDICT:
Contary to the belief ,among many,I think ,and I have watched a lot of them ,and seen them grow and evolve ,as a team this year ,Hamilton have a huge chance to win it ,and there is more in them.As I said earlier,how much more is in them,and will it be enough as a hard question to answer.They have improved in every game since the 1st group match ,and the Dr.O .Callaghan Cup was a huge boost to them.

As a sunny dry Kilmallock,on a Autumns day ,on dry hard ground ,they have the  skill,touch and fire power to play on a dry day and shoot a high return,yet on a wet,wintry,heavy day in Mallow,they had the grit,strength,power ,and dog fight and composure to grind a hard fought win.They are adaptable to any weather.That is a great sign of a team,they have many a string to there bow.Hammies Captain Michael Macsweeny said when accepting a team award for the school said  " A Team is only as strong as it's  weakest link".

It is hard to find any weak link in the team.Like any team ,you must have leaders and a solid spine at full back,centre back, pace at midfield,centre forward and full forward.In Macsweeney,O Leary,Meade,Cahalane,and Horgan they have those key men in central positions,flanked and supported by good hurlers around them.
And they have a very good goalie in Robbie Mccarthy,who is good and composed under a high ball,and varies the short and long puckouts extremely well.For a goalie that doe not play much club hurling,he's sharpness or reflexes is not an issue.

Like any ship preparing to sail the high seas ,and through stormy waters ahead,you must have a good captain to steer you in the right direction,with a good support crew also.Noel Crowley and Aidan O Donughue provide Hamilton with that.This could be a free flowing game,but tactics will play a huge part in the game also .This game won't be far off ,if even that,intercounty minor standard in terms of hurling,speed ,and intensity .


Ard scoil are the same as Hamilton,a very adaptable team and have key men and leaders in all of the central postitions,but I think they may be slightly lighter.They were cold last year with no games in the lead up to there defeat to Templemore ,but once shy twice bitten,they had a good run out last Thursday against Cork Minors,who beat both teams in challenge matches ,so they won't be stale on the day.They have more expierence at this stage of the Harty Cup than Hammies.
Fitzparick,O Brien,Casey,Cian and Ronan Lynch,O Halloran,Crehan,O Loughlin all played in and won a quater final last year.
I have seen them a few times ,and have always been impressed by them.


Ard scoil,want to start fast and will try and blow Hamilton away early on,and they have huge fire power anywhere from midfield up,but if Hamilton,stay with them,and are with them in the last quarter,in what will be a huge Cork Crowd at it ,I feel ,they may just edge it,as unlike Ard Scoil ,they were tested in the quater final with a hard tough game.Many fans would have liked to have the comfort of winning by a bigger margin ,but that game could be a blessing in disguise for the team for Saturday's Litmus test.


As  much as I want Hamilton to win,I make that call,as I always do with emotion taken completely out of the equation.But it is truly an impossible game to predict with any certain accuracy,and I would not like to bet on it.

May the best team win,and we have  another entralling Cork ,Limerick under age contest in prospect ,if it half as good as the Munster 2011 u21 final,or the Dean Ryan 2013 Cup final ,between both Counties ,it should be some game,and Hurling and the Harty Cup will be the real winners.

The only draw back is this game clashes with the other semi final,which is sure to be as equally pulsating and mouth watering ,in Cahir between Rochestown and Doon,another Cork v Limerick clash.It is a pity people won't make both ,and that they are not on at the same venue as a Double header.Having just seen now that there is a gap between both starting times ,maybe just maybe it is possible to do both,fill up the tank ,and have the sambos and flask of soup in the car,and and you start praying for a clear run with traffic.
If the weather is as bad as the last two days ,its unlikey to make both games.

It is only Monday,and I am counting down the days to Saturday,.I'm not from any of the 4 remaining schools,I'm  only a  Hurling man ,and Saturday represents all that is good about Hurling and the Harty Cup.Bring it On.....some games ...and it is not even the Summer yet!!!!

thinkstoomuch1

UL
1 Rory Byrne Castlebar Mitchells Mayo
2 Eamonn Kiely Brosna Kerry
3 Tom Clancy Clonakility Cork
4 Brendan Harrison Aghamore Mayo
5 David Dolan Garrymore Mayo
6 Dessie Mone Clontibret Monaghan
7 Luke Mulligan St. Pats Blennerville Kerry
8 Phelim McHugh Drumkeerin Leitrim
9 Enda Hogan Mountbellew/Moylough Galway
10 Paul Whyte Kilrossanty Waterford
11 Denis Daly St.Marys Cahersiveen Kerry
12 Eoin Carroll Cappincur Offaly
13 Shane O’Callaghan Austin Stacks Kerry
14 James O Donoghue Legion Kerry
15 John O Rourke Carbery Rangers Cork
16 Eoin Slattery Eire Og Clare
17 T J Ryan Rockwell Rovers Tipperary
18 Brian O Shea Dr.Crokes Kerry
19 Conor Lowry Ferbane Offaly
20 Conor McNamee Rhode Offaly
21 Matthew Galvin Ballymcelligott Kerry
22 Craig O Brien Wolfe Tones Clare
23 Gavin Ryan Rockwell Rovers Tipperary
24 JP Spillane Templenoe Kerry
25 Adam Barry Brosna Kerry
26 Cian Bradley Moate All Whites Westmeath
27 Mark Eaton Kinsale Cork


Thats the ul team today in the sigerson,if that team had played us we would have been tested.


Best of luck to them with clancy and o rourke and lets hope they dont get injured as both are define starters in my view for the westmeath game.
That team is named tonight and is being showed in full,in a defferred showing sunday on tg4 for those can't make it.


Cork were meant to be playing tippereary in a hurling challenge but not sure if that is going ahead as tipp play ul in the waterford crystal.

corkrobinhood

D'Agger wrote: »

I'm not suprised by the Carey decision tbh

a) It's the league and there's plenty of time for him to play himself back into contention, given he's had a longer season with Clyda, maybe best to give him some time to recover and regain form

I would feel that if he misses the league campaign his football would be lacking coming into Championship,theres no greater preperation for Championship than playing regular football.

Only way his form will improve is training and game time.

D'Agger

corkrobinhood wrote: »

I would feel that if he misses the league campaign his football would be lacking coming into Championship,theres no greater preperation for Championship than playing regular football.

Only way his form will improve is training and game time.

As my father would say 'Hunger is the best sauce' - If Carey is of the standard to play for Cork, then you'll think he'll be called back in should he start showing it in club games.

If a player gets dropped then the onus is on the player to regain his place on the panel again, it's up to Carey now to show the hunger, and to start producing the goods consistently for Clyda - they're senior this year after all, he'll have a big bearing as per whether they stay up there or not.

Best of luck to him, but if he can regain his form then I've no doubt he'll be pulled back in again

corkrobinhood

Very true.

Hopefully,as I said previously I feel hes one of few we have that can do a job against Kerry.

Then again,after our League campaign I really hope we'll have found 2 decent corner backs.

thinkstoomuch1

ALLIANZ LEAGUES: CORK SENIOR FOOTBALL TEAM V WESTMEATH 28/01/2014
The Cork Senior Football team to play Westmeath in the Allianz Leagues on Sunday at 2pm in Páirc Uí Rinn will line out as follows:
Ken O'Halloran (Bishopstown)
John McLoughlin (Kanturk)
Eoin Cadogan (Douglas)
Michael Shields (Capt. - St. Finbarr's)
James Loughrey (Mallow)
Tom Clancy (Clonakilty)
Tomás Clancy (Fermoy)
Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)
Andrew O'Sullivan (Castletownbere)
Mark Collins (Castlehaven)
Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers)
Fintan Goold (Macroom)
Daniel Goulding (Éire Óg)
Brian Hurley (Castlehaven)
Donal Og Hodnett (O'Donovan Rossa)
The full panel will be finalised later in the week.

The game is Brian Cuthbert's first Allianz League game as manager of the Cork Senior Football team, and features a Senior League début for former U21star, Donal Óg Hodnett. Click here to view the full Cork panel for the Allianz Leagues.

corkrobinhood

Interesting team,looking forward to this game now.

thinkstoomuch1

corkrobinhood wrote: »

Interesting team,looking forward to this game now.

Poor team ,in some regards,far from interesting in my view.Will elaborate later,watching clare hurlers train now.

corkrobinhood

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Poor team ,in some regards,far from interesting in my view.Will elaborate later,watching clare hurlers train now.

I should be a phsyic,I knew you'd disagree with me.
If I said black I feel you'd say white.

Great isnt it

thinkstoomuch1

corkrobinhood wrote: »

I should be a phsyic,I knew you'd disagree with me.
If I said black I feel you'd say white.

Great isnt it

Ah lad ffs get a grip.I have had these views long before you arrived in regards gould ,mcloughlin and the butcher last year.my day doesnt revolve around your views.

I go on what I see before me,i aint going to say something if I dont beileve it.

thinkstoomuch1

Firstly ,Ray Carey is gone of the panel and he won't be back on it in the Summer ,no matter what way he plays for Clyda ,as im a huge huge fan of Clyda,as ye know,but as I keep saying repeateldly there is a huge huge difference in club and intercounty but double that with Clyda as they play a 12 man defence,and I have seen countless games at club the last 3 years and with cork and he no where near an asses roar of 2009 form .

Sunday in wet slow conditions ,he did keep hes man scorless but never judge a book by the cover,he was turned at least 3 times and at fault for the 1st goal.He has lost that pace and im not sure why he lost the pace he had,and james o donughue ,brogan, ian burke ,would crucify him.

He is ,and I said two months ago not at the standard ,and would have to find 2009 form ,and based on sunday,he is way of that.

Too many players live on past repuations with cork.F**k that,the present is what counts .


Cork have one top class corner back in shields,lunacy to play him at half back,we need him as he is our best man marker in the full back line.Christy o connor was right,we need two man markers,we have 1.

Galvin I think is our best option ,people doubt that,my point is we know what carey,mcloughlin can and dont bring to the table,had countless chances,galvin hasnt.


Jamie sullivan is an option ,and he if he gets fitness back in august if we are alive is an option.

Injured players are the only ones now not training that will make the championship cut ,and thats fine.
Careys case,is completely different.

He has football under the belt ,and is still of whats required.Training with clyda and playing is different to corks new style and speed game ,in that clyda are built for endurance stamina ,train that way,cork will be built for speed ,so clyda wont be any great benfit to carey for cork .It is a good call,hes dropped but for the wrong reasons ,in that if it is over commitment ,then how the jesus are cahalane,cadogan,etc in the picture ,and why o why didnt Cuthbert stand firm.
You wouldnt put a grand national winners in a derby would you?no you wouldnt.Carey isnt set up for the modern game,and way too loose as a marker.A vital and starter for clyda ,and he will do well for them ,like cussen and naughton will do likdwise for newtown and sars,but keep it real,not up to it For Cork.

Yes clyda fans will tell you ,some will,he is good for cork,the same ones would say bring kissane back.
Like st finbarrs fans get so excited ,with keane saturday he is the next ronan curran at centre back for Cork.
That is club loyalty blinkering the vision of logic and comon sense and a large dose of reality .Keane is no where near a centre back,too slow,Brian hogan and joyce are not greyhounds but they are way faster and more about them for centre back.Keane is an option for full back and should be tested there as if they want to compare keane to a barrs and cork player them be realistic,keane may time be like donal o grady was ,a full back,who had no pace,but was strong,had a good hand and a reader of the game to do a job at 3 for Cork .




If cork want another corner back ,then eoin cotter we should entice back,he may not do so and I dont blame him in a way ,as counihan,treated him poorly and he was good in a cork shirt.

As regards the Championship Loughrey and clancy ,either one ,is a cert for six,with one slot up for grabs at championship ,and cahalane ,would have been my choice,but how will the hurling hinder him??he is up there with a clancy and kevin crowley,dorman ,and brian o driscoll when the u21 is over ,and they are training with the seniors so they will be ready.
The key is to find a perfect balance between attack and defence.

A parter for walsh.??and the butcher ,i doubt it.Laoire or Deane.


Up front O rourke ,collins ,hurley,goulding and o neill ,if fit are starters for me ,with kelly vying with collins if he makes a full recovery.Donnach is in the shake up very much.Next up Maceoin.Hayes no thank you.


Kerrigan,and ,Hodnett ,sugrue are vying for a half forward slot with the hughely talented vaughan.


I think one spot at corner back ,and one at half back and one at midfield with one at half forward are up for grabs,so thats four I would say that are a priority for championship against kerry with a plan a and plan b unlike with counihan where we had no plan at all.


O connor and I am a fan of him was wrong in the paper he said cuthbhert changed our style dramatically last year,i dont know where he got that.


Bar two league games,we were same old lateral,predictable cork ,and had no style or plan ,and if cuthbhert did implement a style it wasnt evident .Galway and dublin games proved that,and we could not perform the basic footballs skills like kickpassing,and that was indictative of Couinhans reign.


The team that was named is a poor reflection on management.Galvin was picked,got injured to play against kerry.
Mcloughlin average against kerry, starts hes 3rd game .
Butcher had 3 games ,yet deane who needs games get nothing.
Has any of the 5 wise men learned anything from the counihan era.Gould is not or never will be a half forward and has been with cork since 2007.If you play him ,you play him as a half back or at midfield.
Hodnett is a good choice .

Not a great start in picking hes ist league team in that the butcher will win oceans of ball,yet kick half of it away aimelessy and gould will get two or 3 points,hes norm in these games,yet play him against dublin and him and butcher and mcloughlin will be shown up.

Its seems at this early stage,gould,sullivan,and mcloughlin are favourites with cuthbhert and like I said the other night it is a huge worry going forward.


For those that say this is an interesting team ,i wouldnt agree ,in that it is a good team but has 3 major weak spots ,and it is a worry.

When I done the harty cup preview for hamilton and ard scoil on the last page ,i had said what gave me confidence that they could beat the favourites was along with the talent they had,they had a management team to steer there ship through strormy waters.


Our football management has picked a team that will sink fast against a top 4 team ,if that team starts.

closeline

Two lads from the crowd Clyda played on Sunday played with Mayo two weeks before the AI Club semi final. 3 Clyda players played with their colleges two weeks before as well.
Carey should have played the LIT game and he would be on the panel now. Dr.Crokes lads did it last year too.

Saying that, he has gone back but still a better player than McLoughlin. Compare him to our other five backs. Two different worlds, can't really understand it.

corkrobinhood

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Ah lad ffs get a grip.I have had these views long before you arrived in regards gould ,mcloughlin and the butcher last year.my day doesnt revolve around your views.

I go on what I see before me,i aint going to say something if I dont beileve it.

The smilie face at the end indicated I was having an aul craic at you,but sure you're so wound up about Cork GAA the fun was no doubt bate out of you a long time ago.:D

See,theres another one,that was another bit of attempted humour.;)

I'll give up in a bit.

As I said,an interesting team for Sunday,I look forward to reading your preview of the game.:)

thinkstoomuch1

corkrobinhood wrote: »

The smilie face at the end indicated I was having an aul craic at you,but sure you're so wound up about Cork GAA the fun was no doubt bate out of you a long time ago.:D

See,theres another one,that was another bit of attempted humour.;)

I'll give up in a bit.

As I said,an interesting team for Sunday,I look forward to reading your preview of the game.:)

I take cork gaa seriously,were so lucky to have it ,i dont joke when it comes to it:|

corkrobinhood

When it becomes life and death man,then i'll spend as much time worrying about it as you do.

Until then,its still a game.

thinkstoomuch1

closeline wrote: »

Two lads from the crowd Clyda played on Sunday played with Mayo two weeks before the AI Club semi final. 3 Clyda players played with their colleges two weeks before as well.
Carey should have played the LIT game and he would be on the panel now. Dr.Crokes lads did it last year too.

Saying that, he has gone back but still a better player than McLoughlin. Compare him to our other five backs. Two different worlds, can't really understand it.

Good post ,your not the only one that struggles to fathom it.I cant either.

Horse84

corkrobinhood wrote: »

When it becomes life and death man,then i'll spend as much time worrying about it as you do.

Until then,its still a game.

Never a truer word spoken. If you can't have a laugh about it at times, forget about it. There's a lot more to life than Gaa. Just ask the family of poor Shane hourigan this week.

zetecescort

I know they are different organisations but why in the name of God are the men playing in Pairc Ui Rinn on Sunday and the Ladies are in Mallow at the same time?

It's long past the time for the Ladies to be treated equally.

thinkstoomuch1

zetecescort wrote: »

I know they are different organisations but why in the name of God are the men playing in Pairc Ui Rinn on Sunday and the Ladies are in Mallow at the same time?

It's long past the time for the Ladies to be treated equally.

Its not just Cork that don't do logic,the gaa in general.

Yes the ladies should be the same day but im glad that there game with mayo mallow is going ahead there at the least as mallow is a top class faciltity and as elaine harte said they deserve good venues as they have played in woeful ptiches up and down the country in the middle of nowhere .

The harty cup is another fiasco.The die hard geuine fans never get any consideration.To hold the doon rochestown game in cahir was bad enough as it was clashing with the hamilton game in mallow,they no brought that game ahead a half hour.


I cant understand why both couldnt go ahead in mallow or even have the doon game in charville .At least people could realistically go to both as its a 30 min spin up the road.

slingerz

The ladies game is under a different organisation and both will want their gate receipts from the fixture. Until they are all under the 1 organisation then they wont be played together.

As regards the cork panel, plenty saying X, Y and Z shouldnt be on it, that their not good enough etc. but i've had enough of that without reading of plausible alternatives from those not currently on the panel.

Cant pick the first choice XV every game and the panel members need to be up to speed as well in the event of injuries, black cards, suspensions come championship time

Deco99

So I'm going to make judgements for sundays game.

We should be beating Westmeath.

Only thing for me worth looking for in this game is whether we are committed to playing long, direct, quick ball into the full forward line, the movement of that line and how well they play off each other. And possibly one or two of our backs may get exposed as I am afraid they will further down the line. These "backs" i refer to are the ones who look good running up the pitch with the ball really fast but not as fast as when its kicked. Other benefit to kicking it is they are not out of position should the pass be misplaced. And I too am to use a smiley face to show I enjoy rather than stress over Cork GAA.

thinkstoomuch1

slingerz wrote: »

The ladies game is under a different organisation and both will want their gate receipts from the fixture. Until they are all under the 1 organisation then they wont be played together.

As regards the cork panel, plenty saying X, Y and Z shouldnt be on it, that their not good enough etc. but i've had enough of that without reading of plausible alternatives from those not currently on the panel.

Cant pick the first choice XV every game and the panel members need to be up to speed as well in the event of injuries, black cards, suspensions come championship time

Fair point on the ladies,and they are trying to get both men and women together ,but at least mallow is justice to there talents,they have top class changing rooms,and hot water unlike some.


In relation to the football you are wrong.
Lets take the 3 players I dont think are intercounty level.


Now the examples I mention we cant gurantee are,as we know how good they can be, as like the cake looks on the shop window ,you can only judge by eating it,how nice it actually is.But why I can gurantee you is they are certainly better than the current 3.
John mcloughlin is tough brave,honest you name it.Superb at club on a good day,can have bad days and like in the intermediate v glanworth sadly beaten for pace.Im sure you will agree he was the same in the league last year in tralee if your honest.

For duhallow with ned english he survived as they played 12 men behind the ball in the 2012 county final.
Take this years county final ,a marked difference in open attacking football.
Colin tucker o brien around 27,was very good at half back and has pace and is a much better defender and was among nemos best players that day.


He also won man of the match for nemo against the barrs in a county final.He is a good defender and can attack.He trained under counihan.Is he the answer?or a starter?
Id have to see more of him but he has done way more than mcloughlin and has played corner back and can do what a back must do -Defend and isnt exposed at senior club games,mcloughlin has been in regular intermediate games.
Hes attuide I dont doubt.And he is commited .That no one doubts.


Bart daly is a duallow man,can play in corner ,is much better than mcloughlin.Ask the majority of duhallow fans who is better daly or Mcloughlin?daly.

He is 26 ish won a minor minor munster with cork.

Fiactra lynch who played a full league game against mayo at corner back ,and played superb ,and is usually a forward is stronger and faster than mcloughlin and should be midfield at least as a panel member .
Eoin cotter wasnt asked to rejoin.He may not accept but should have been asked.
Peter daly st marys is another defender better than mcloughlin.


Im not sure,how many alternatives you want but if you want more please ask.


Andrew o sullivan if walsh was injured or went to hurling,would then be an option only as he is not as good but is a ball winner but with walsh a starter ,you cant play the two together,as the butcher can kick pass.

Deane and leary are fine options.If you want another option,fiactra lynch is good,strong and can win the ball but he can actually kick pass it.Not an intercounty forward but much better than the butcher.Chris o donovan,a minor and junior with cork ,is going to bishoptown.
Is he good enough for intercounty?that i m not sure but he is much better than the butcher as he can kick a pass and is just as strong.Rory o sullivan,hindered by a cruciate,cork u21 captain in 2011 and junior player last year is a fine centre back and midfielder ,and is better than the butcher who had chances in 2008 and failed



Finan gould is no where near a half forward.David a u21 winner in 2009 the brother should be tried for the league if cork were short options.


Whatever about on the- panel there is No logic in peristenly playing a guy in a position that in 7 years under morgan and counihan failed in big games .
Paul flynn cit and cork u21 winner is a better half forward or midfielder than the butcher,he is great at the basic skills and has the engine and stamina and reading of a game,he can play at centre back.He is better than Sullivan.Never got a chance with counihan.

John hayes is a super talent,but lacks attuide and work rate.Same as james masters.Would I have masters back?no.


But if hayes is going to be there,and seen as he lacks the temperament and workrate,id have masters ,27,any day of the week as he has done it year on year for nemo but crucially done it in big cork games,the highest scorer for us against kerry in a game since 2006,1-6.
Attuides,hayes and master are equal.
But if you are going to pick one ,masters is ten times more talented than hayes.

That is a lazy view,that there isnt better players than some of those picked.There the views that Ger Fitzgerald,Pat kenneally ,etc say after countless defeats,this is the best cork have.And we just have to take it as is.This is Corks lads,dont forget that.

That is rubbish.There is unreal talent in cork .To tell me that John Mcloughlin is in the list of the best corner backs in cork ,or the butcher is also,with the greatest respect I suggest you go to more club games.
There is much better than mcloughlin,butcher etc,i go to to endless club games and see it regulary .


In relation to Gaa,yes it is Not life or death and is only a game and the tragedy of shane hourigan like among other does put life in to perpesctive.


Cork are no strangers to such similar tragedys,we lost an u21 cork fooballer from banteer ,to a car crash,a few years ago,john kerins to cancer and the late michael mccarthy at a young age.
It is awful and tragic.May they rest in peace.And have no doubt ,that at the harty cup game in mallow Shane hourigan and dan collins will be remembered as two great referees sadly gone from us.They will be thought of at every of the weekend games.


I never said a game was more important than life.Lets be crystal clear.

I was in reference to it be said that someone was joking and having a laugh when it was said I would say black when they say white, my reply I dont joke when I talk about cork gaa.That doesnt mean,as people think I lie awake at night and obess with it or am 24 hours 365 days a year in it or dont know what matters the most.


No,i just am very passionate like many and when I do talk about,much prefer to be serious,just cause I dont do smiley faces dont mean I stress with it.

Davy fitzgerald I watched train both lit and then clare two separte training sessions at ul last night.The intensity between both was equal,you would not know the difference.Davy in that moment in the game,will focus on gaa like cody and many more.That like I posted last week doesnt mean they are a monster or dont hold other great values in life.They just takes the game seriously the time they are is in it.
I have similar views when I write about it.


On that point corks fraggie murphy was with lit also training them and is bound to learn from davy.

Sars or some other cork club may benfit from this down the line.

thinkstoomuch1

Deco99 wrote: »

So I'm going to make judgements for sundays game.

We should be beating Westmeath.

Only thing for me worth looking for in this game is whether we are committed to playing long, direct, quick ball into the full forward line, the movement of that line and how well they play off each other. And possibly one or two of our backs may get exposed as I am afraid they will further down the line. These "backs" i refer to are the ones who look good running up the pitch with the ball really fast but not as fast as when its kicked. Other benefit to kicking it is they are not out of position should the pass be misplaced. And I too am to use a smiley face to show I enjoy rather than stress over Cork GAA.

:-):-):-)...i said id join the happy fan club.

im the same I enjoy cork football,i find it easier to do so when we fulfill our undoubted potentital than flatter to decieve.
Good points with the forwards and backs.who in the backs do you doubt?

corkrobinhood

I too think we should beat Westmeath.

For me I want to see no ball going back ( unless absolutely necessary,as in under sever pressure,or no suitable passing option ahead of the player in posession. ) Kick free forward,handpass the ball forward,attack with a purpose.

No cross field aimless passing.

Had enough of that in the League last year,it'd make ya cry at times ( if i wasnt such a jovial chap )

I'd like to see the team stretched,not to the point where we'll lose,but stretched in terms of a tight game at certain times,to see how we react.Backs under pressure,forwards closed down,no time on the ball.I want to see what we're made of.

Most of all I want a win,normally i'd say by any means possible but on Sunday i'd like us to win playing proper attacking controlled football.

slingerz

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Fair point on the ladies,and they are trying to get both men and women together ,but at least mallow is justice to there talents,they have top class changing rooms,and hot water unlike some.


In relation to the football you are wrong.
Lets take the 3 players I dont think are intercounty level.


Now the examples I mention we cant gurantee are,as we know how good they can be, as like the cake looks on the shop window ,you can only judge by eating it,how nice it actually is.But why I can gurantee you is they are certainly better than the current 3.
John mcloughlin is tough brave,honest you name it.Superb at club on a good day,can have bad days and like in the intermediate v glanworth sadly beaten for pace.Im sure you will agree he was the same in the league last year in tralee if your honest.

For duhallow with ned english he survived as they played 12 men behind the ball in the 2012 county final.
Take this years county final ,a marked difference in open attacking football.
Colin tucker o brien around 27,was very good at half back and has pace and is a much better defender and was among nemos best players that day.


He also won man of the match for nemo against the barrs in a county final.He is a good defender and can attack.He trained under counihan.Is he the answer?or a starter?
Id have to see more of him but he has done way more than mcloughlin and has played corner back and can do what a back must do -Defend and isnt exposed at senior club games,mcloughlin has been in regular intermediate games.
Hes attuide I dont doubt.And he is commited .That no one doubts.


Bart daly is a duallow man,can play in corner ,is much better than mcloughlin.Ask the majority of duhallow fans who is better daly or Mcloughlin?daly.

He is 26 ish won a minor minor munster with cork.

Fiactra lynch who played a full league game against mayo at corner back ,and played superb ,and is usually a forward is stronger and faster than mcloughlin and should be midfield at least as a panel member .
Eoin cotter wasnt asked to rejoin.He may not accept but should have been asked.
Peter daly st marys is another defender better than mcloughlin.


Im not sure,how many alternatives you want but if you want more please ask.


Andrew o sullivan if walsh was injured or went to hurling,would then be an option only as he is not as good but is a ball winner but with walsh a starter ,you cant play the two together,as the butcher can kick pass.

Deane and leary are fine options.If you want another option,fiactra lynch is good,strong and can win the ball but he can actually kick pass it.Not an intercounty forward but much better than the butcher.Chris o donovan,a minor and junior with cork ,is going to bishoptown.
Is he good enough for intercounty?that i m not sure but he is much better than the butcher as he can kick a pass and is just as strong.Rory o sullivan,hindered by a cruciate,cork u21 captain in 2011 and junior player last year is a fine centre back and midfielder ,and is better than the butcher who had chances in 2008 and failed



Finan gould is no where near a half forward.David a u21 winner in 2009 the brother should be tried for the league if cork were short options.


Whatever about on the- panel there is No logic in peristenly playing a guy in a position that in 7 years under morgan and counihan failed in big games .
Paul flynn cit and cork u21 winner is a better half forward or midfielder than the butcher,he is great at the basic skills and has the engine and stamina and reading of a game,he can play at centre back.He is better than Sullivan.Never got a chance with counihan.

John hayes is a super talent,but lacks attuide and work rate.Same as james masters.Would I have masters back?no.


But if hayes is going to be there,and seen as he lacks the temperament and workrate,id have masters ,27,any day of the week as he has done it year on year for nemo but crucially done it in big cork games,the highest scorer for us against kerry in a game since 2006,1-6.
Attuides,hayes and master are equal.
But if you are going to pick one ,masters is ten times more talented than hayes.

That is a lazy view,that there isnt better players than some of those picked.There the views that Ger Fitzgerald,Pat kenneally ,etc say after countless defeats,this is the best cork have.And we just have to take it as is.This is Corks lads,dont forget that.

That is rubbish.There is unreal talent in cork .To tell me that John Mcloughlin is in the list of the best corner backs in cork ,or the butcher is also,with the greatest respect I suggest you go to more club games.
There is much better than mcloughlin,butcher etc,i go to to endless club games and see it regulary .


In relation to Gaa,yes it is Not life or death and is only a game and the tragedy of shane hourigan like among other does put life in to perpesctive.


Cork are no strangers to such similar tragedys,we lost an u21 cork fooballer from banteer ,to a car crash,a few years ago,john kerins to cancer and the late michael mccarthy at a young age.
It is awful and tragic.May they rest in peace.And have no doubt ,that at the harty cup game in mallow Shane hourigan and dan collins will be remembered as two great referees sadly gone from us.They will be thought of at every of the weekend games.


I never said a game was more important than life.Lets be crystal clear.

I was in reference to it be said that someone was joking and having a laugh when it was said I would say black when they say white, my reply I dont joke when I talk about cork gaa.That doesnt mean,as people think I lie awake at night and obess with it or am 24 hours 365 days a year in it or dont know what matters the most.


No,i just am very passionate like many and when I do talk about,much prefer to be serious,just cause I dont do smiley faces dont mean I stress with it.

Davy fitzgerald I watched train both lit and then clare two separte training sessions at ul last night.The intensity between both was equal,you would not know the difference.Davy in that moment in the game,will focus on gaa like cody and many more.That like I posted last week doesnt mean they are a monster or dont hold other great values in life.They just takes the game seriously the time they are is in it.
I have similar views when I write about it.


On that point corks fraggie murphy was with lit also training them and is bound to learn from davy.

Sars or some other cork club may benfit from this down the line.

Im not saying I'm a fan of McLoughlin or anyone else for that matter but i want to pick you up on a few things

Paul Flynn - got chances under counihan and indeed payed at centre back on a couple of occasions. On par with the worst that are listed for sure but had his chances and never made the setup

Bart Daly - Seen him with Newmarket and see nothing to suggest that he can make a step up to be better than what is already there

Peter Daly - Seen Daly for Mary's on many occasions, his involvement with CIT helps but he was only a sub on the juniors last year so its too much of a jump for him

David Goold - had his chances and started in the munster champ for the seniors. recent injuries and dare i say loss of interest has hampered him

Chris Donovan - not mobile at all and his temperment is suspect. his transfer request is questionable

Eoin Cotter - was away so wasnt available, has this changed as far as im aware he is not in a position to be considered

Rory O'Sullivan - had potential but never made the step up following injuries. struggled with the juniors last year also

These players need to be better than what is there already, IMO they are on par at best.

And FWIW i reckon i see considerably more matches from an awful lot closer than most

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Im not saying I'm a fan of McLoughlin or anyone else for that matter but i want to pick you up on a few things

Paul Flynn - got chances under counihan and indeed payed at centre back on a couple of occasions. On par with the worst that are listed for sure but had his chances and never made the setup

Bart Daly - Seen him with Newmarket and see nothing to suggest that he can make a step up to be better than what is already there

Peter Daly - Seen Daly for Mary's on many occasions, his involvement with CIT helps but he was only a sub on the juniors last year so its too much of a jump for him

David Goold - had his chances and started in the munster champ for the seniors. recent injuries and dare i say loss of interest has hampered him

Chris Donovan - not mobile at all and his temperment is suspect. his transfer request is questionable

Eoin Cotter - was away so wasnt available, has this changed as far as im aware he is not in a position to be considered

Rory O'Sullivan - had potential but never made the step up following injuries. struggled with the juniors last year also

These players need to be better than what is there already, IMO they are on par at best.

And FWIW i reckon i see considerably more matches from an awful lot closer than most

Some of your points are fair but what are you saying?


Your trying to state mcloughlin,and sullivan are the best in cork and thats all thats avaible.Complely untvrue.

The big difference with all I mentioned is they never got time like the aforementiond of got.

Ah be realistic,paul fynn got a few games here and there never constant run.

david gould got one munster game ?hes brother got 7 years in the same position .you can surely see my point.


Yes o donovan isnt the most mobile but he can kick a ball.Numerous times with the cork juniors andrew even wasted it away.


The two dalys yes like I said ,we cant say they can make it or not but surely they are better than mcloughlin.
That argument that it is too much of a jump from junior to senior intercounty is untrue.How many lads that never played any grade bar junior. With cork like donnach o connor but made senior.
Yes there is a gap but it can be done.At least daly holds hes own there,mcloughlin cant do that.
Take seamus harnedy ,with killegh st itas,junior,but super with ucc.If jbm held the same view ,and thankfully he didnt that you held then ,harnedy an all star would never of played for cork.Ger fitz and the minor men ignored hes talent.He played with cork intermediates and stood out.
Daly is similar ,he may not make it,but based on what I say give him a chance,dont be narrow minded,oh hes from a small club in St marys he isnt up to it.Mcloughlin had hes chances.Daly like others has not.
Take liam doyle clare 95,,he got picked as he stood out for the clare all ireland junior winning team.

You didnt mention colin tucker o brien.you surely ,you go to a lot of matches ,so you saw saw the 2010 and 2013 cork Senior county finals in which he was man of the match and in the last one played very good.

He is way better than mcloughlin.Lets be honest and call a spade a spade.


My point is it is inaccurate to say there isnt better than mcloughlin or sullivan in cork that could be on the panel.


Lynch would be a much better option than o sullivan in the middle.

You must remember he had a full 2008 and last year and failed to do it.Others must be given a fair crack of the whip to show what they can do.