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I'm 12 years clean from Marijuana addiction; I help other recovering addicts who like me believed cos it grew wild it had to be ok!
Just graduated with a Psych degree majoring in addiction and about to embark on a masters.
13 years ago I would have quoted you word for word, but not anymore! I have back up and evidence a mile long but having lived it, and survived it, I have way better things to be doing, and anyway if you are anything like me you will dispute my findings!
There's a whole load of bull**** lies out there, I work in the industry, and I can tell you first hand - its a bastard to kick!
Just take care ok!
Peace
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globalwarrior wrote: »PS Sdiff
I'm 12 years clean from Marijuana addiction; I help other recovering addicts who like me believed cos it grew wild it had to be ok!
Just graduated with a Psych degree majoring in addiction and about to embark on a masters.
13 years ago I would have quoted you word for word, but not anymore! I have back up and evidence a mile long but having lived it, and survived it, I have way better things to be doing, and anyway if you are anything like me you will dispute my findings!
There's a whole load of bull**** lies out there, I work in the industry, and I can tell you first hand - its a bastard to kick!
Just take care ok!
Peace
None of this changes the fact that THC or any of the substances in cannabis are physically addictive. Sure if you really like it or use it to solve pre-existing problems you might find it hard to let go. It's not physically addictive and most users can use it responsibly and still lead a normal life.0 -
Guys - When I was smoking pot, I would have spear-headed your whole campaign for you as I could not have imagined anything nicer than sitting around a PC (ALL DAY) debating and providing evidence, For one thing it would have helped to reinforce my denial – that I was NOT indeed a garden variety pothead LOL!!
Now, not so much!
You want real evidence - get yer asses to an NA meeting and you will have all the evidence you could EVER ask for! I know I did, and was astonished to discover the REAL truth!
Oh and I never put (nor allowed) tobacco in my J's -
A) I was a non tobacco smoker
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Listen Mikom, this is not directed at you personally, I’m sure you are cool person who wants to enjoy a 'J' now and again and I have no doubt that we would be able to find an awful lot to agree on.
However, If You think for a single second that I will engage in an 'evidence based' research shows argument with you about the health risks of weed, grass, pot (let’s call it what its most commonly called) when I was the first to admit, it was due to a lack of ture information and such misguided research ( albeit, more accuratly updated in recent years) that I LOST TEN YEARS OF MY LIFE whilst struggling with addiction - then you can forget it! Here are my reasons for not doing so:-
A) I have no idea that you are not ‘off your dial’ right now and looking for some mild entertainment, hence for me to engage with you would be …. a waste of time! Any 'rational person' out there reading this would also believe the above (A) to be true!
C) Instead, I did better than quote research I gave you facts based on my own experience - I'm sorry you found MY STRGGLE WITH POT ADDICTION to be nothing more than an anecdotal tale, nonetheless, your lack of empathy was noticed and speaks volumes regarding what’s important to you - clearly this is all about your own selfish aims.
D) There is enough evidence out there ** both for and against ** the health risks of pot use, to keep us both engaged in debate (?) for years and years... hence my refusal to go there.
E) The REAL evidence is indeed in the rooms of a NA meeting, what more SOLID evidence could one ask for??
But of couse that is not somewhere anyone advocating the legalization of pot would ever care to visit ... because if you did how the hell could you justify your goal!! In addittion, im sure you have buckets of research on standby, sure, we could both be cutting and pasting till the cows come home...
Now, I hate to be a killjoy but I’m walking away from this thread because I done enough sitting around debating why the government SHOULD legalize pot whilst this drug had me by the throat in active addiction.
Hence, It's not my kinda thing anymore, I have since moved with my life and found some real issues to lobby the government about, issues which if implemented will be of benefit to people who are suffering and disadvantaged in the community.
And so I will say adious, wish you well and leave you with three final words -
Illusion, Delusion and Confusion.0 -
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globalwarrior wrote: »However, If You think for a single second that I will engage in an 'evidence based' research shows argument with you about the health risks of weed, grass, pot (let’s call it what its most commonly called) when I was the first to admit, it was due to such a lack of ture information and misguided research that I LOST TEN YEARS OF MY LIFE whilst struggling with addiction - then you can forget it! Here are my reasons for not doing so:-
A) I have no idea that you are not ‘off your dial’ right now and looking for some mild entertainment, hence for me to engage with you would be …. a waste of time! Any 'rational person' out there reading this would also believe the above (A) to be true!
C) Instead, I did better than quote research I gave you facts based on my own experience - I'm sorry you found MY STRGGLE WITH POT ADDICTION to be nothing more than an anecdotal tale, nonetheless, your lack of empathy was noticed and speaks volumes regarding what’s important to you - clearly this is all about your own selfish aims.
D) There is enough evidence out there ** both for and against ** to keep me you and I engaged in debate (?) for years and years... hence my refusal to go there.
E) The REAL evidence is indeed in the rooms of a NA meeting, what more SOLID evidence could one ask for??
But of couse that is not somewhere anyone advocating the legalization of pot would ever care to visit ... because if you did how the hell could you justify your goal!! In addittion, im sure you have buckets of research on standby, sure, we could both be cutting and pasting till the cows come home...
Now, I hate to be a killjoy but I’m walking away from this thread
Hence, It's not my kinda thing anymore, I have since moved with my life and found some real issues to lobby the government about, issues which if implemented will be of benefit to people who are suffering and disadvantaged in the community.
And so I will say adious, wish you well and leave you with three final words -
Illusion, Delusion and Confusion.
TBH, I may as well be discussing this with a lad down the pub.
Same evidence, a lot of tales with nothing concrete to back them up.
The length of time it took you to post that could have been better served pulling up a few studies for all the readers of this thread rather than waffling about who you believe to be "rational" or not.globalwarrior wrote: »
Just graduated with a Psych degree majoring in addiction and about to embark on a masters.
Keep up the studies.
Hope they do sections on evidence based research and bedside manner.0 -
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*** The length of time it took you to post that could have been better served pulling up a few studies for all the readers of this thread rather than waffling about who you believe to be "rational" or not.***
You're probaby right but then you'ed come back at me, and I would come back at you and at the end of the day your going to know what you want to know, and Im going to know what - it is I know!
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globalwarrior wrote: »
E) The REAL evidence is indeed in the rooms of a NA meeting, what more SOLID evidence could one ask for??
Not a pot smoker myself, don't really want to get drawn into that argument, but what you were suggesting there would not be regarded as solid evidence by anyone looking for proof of anything. Personal testimonies are not evidence no matter how sincere they are or the person thinks they are, such "evidence" could also be found for the existence of alien abductions, demonic possesions, out of body experiences, faith healers and such. SOLID evidence would be from peer reviewed medical and scientific journals. For something to be evidence it has to be observable and testable. Just sayin.... 0 -
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Cannabis is always going to smoked, it's always going to be imported and sold illegally in the country costing the taxpayer money as the Garda try to deal with it. Instead of wasting money on it, the government could make money on it while ensuring what is sold in Ireland is regulated and good quality Cannabis free from added toxins, reducing many problems associated to it's consumption.
Personally I don't enjoy the stuff, I'll stick to a few pints and that's about it but it's the height of ignorance and irony for a person who drinks alcohol to come on here and preach about how bad Cannabis is from their high horse.
The following is a picture from the "Development of a rational scale to assess the harm of drugs of potential misuse" study, it represents the results obtained from two groups of people: the first comprised people from the UK national group of consultant psychiatrists who were on the Royal College of Psychiatrists’ register as specialists in addiction, while the second comprised of people with experience in one of the many areas of addiction, ranging from chemistry, pharmacology, and forensic science, through psychiatry and other medical specialties, including epidemiology, as well as the legal and police services.
As you can clearly see, many people across various areas of study agreed Alcohol and Tobacco are both more addictive and harmful than Cannabis. It's fine to be against it, but don't be one of those gobshítes who has no problem going down to the pub after preaching about how bad Cannabis is and how legalization is a poor idea.0 -
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Globalwarrior, you're suggest that everybody should be forbidden to use pot because you personally found it hard to break the habit.
Not at all, I have no doubt that many people are enjoying pot every day and good luck to you guys who can do so and live constructive lives
Everything I have had to say on this subject is now pretty much said!
I'm not out to debate this thing to death - just to offer another point of view and absolutly that is all it is another point of view based on my own lifetime experience.
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So are you saying it should or should not be legalized, taxed, regulated etc. like tobacco/alcohol?globalwarrior wrote: »Not at all, I have no doubt that many people are enjoying pot every day and good luck to you guys who can do so and live constructive lives
Everything I have had to say on this subject is now pretty much said!
I'm not out to debate this thing to death - just to offer another point of view and absolutly that is all it is another point of view based on my own lifetime experience.
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Interesting read.....
http://ukmedican.blogspot.com/2011/08/cannabis-pickle.htmlSarah Martin Meriden, West Midlands, United Kingdom
I live in not so Great Britain and was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis in 2003. Will cannabis consumption be legal anytime soon? Britain is falling further and further behind the rest of Europe and the rest of the world. They really should allow the use of medical cannabis in Britain.
OK, yeah, it's been a while. So what? I'm up and walking again, with the aid of a walker with wheels. Bless my cannabis, it's been a hell of a ride. To deal with the damage, caused by relapse, I knew I needed high doses of cannabinoids. I did not want to feel the 'high' as I wanted to be active and so speed recovery even more. I knew that oral absorption of this amount of cannabis would leave me able to do nothing but drool and sleep. The same would apply to vaporising large amounts too. Another solution was needed. I'd been turned down for Sativex 3 times so I had to find my own way back.
I needed cannabis oil and lots of it. A quick tour on YouTube, and a few cannabis forums, told me this. These forums informed me that, extracting the oil with Butane was the safest method for me. My hands are nearly useless, my eyes spasm constantly, although somewhat less than before, and I can hardly stand at times. I needed a method that would take my health into account with minimal risk. This method provides a minimum risk of explosion and minor chemical contamination, I hope. So far so good.
The bad days are coming less and less, as I continue to bombard myself with as much cannabis oil as possible. I blend cannabis oil with hemp to fill 'size 2' capsules. Today, I'm taking all the cannabis oil I can get out of an ounce of ground cannabis flower bud. I will then blend this with 29.5ml of hemp oil, using a low heat, and fill as many capsules as I can. I buy my capsule casings from Amazon together with the hemp oil. I put a pinch of lecithin powder in because of it's medicinal and dietary benefits.
Me and my oil. I've been scientific about this as some discoveries will be included in the upcoming IACM presentation. Beginning with 0.25g cannabis oil capsules, I could see my health improve but only to a certain point. Feeling my health improve, I also felt maintained at that level. This was not the desired outcome but at least I wasn't getting any worse. Moving onto higher and higher doses seems to be the key to my recovery. The only obstacle is not having enough cannabis to move beyond the capsules described in the paragraph above. I'd like to see how an even stronger dose would benefit my health. Beggars can't be choosers in this drug war.
I wonder how Sativex would compare to my capsules. I find them as freeing as I would Sativex as I take them during pub lunches with my family or when I'm getting exercise with my walker. It's how medicine should be, making a patient feel normal and a 'part of society' as possible.
Early cannabis capsule. I support the work of GW Pharma all the way. While they are desperately trying to appeal to government, investors and scientist so they can get licences etc, the recreational community relish in pointing out the hypocrisy. In my view, the cannabis GW Pharma grows is nothing like what can be purchased on the street or grown at home. I wish I had access to cannabis grown to exact, scientific, laboratory and organic standards. Show me a street dealer or a home grower that even comes close. Yes, it's the same plant but that's where my comparison stops. I've visited the Bedrocan facilities so I know what sort of professional, scientific standards should be achieved.
I prefer to admire the hoops GW Pharma have had to jump through, to get as far as they have. Pointing out any hypocrisy will only slow the scientific progress they have made. I'm just glad that Britain, seeming so bored with the issue, pays little attention to what the recreational community has to say.0 -
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