Frontline to debate hunting issues in countryside (MOD NOTE #26)

TippFan77

I understand RTE's Frontline will debate hunting as part of a wider debate on countryside issues tomorrow night (Monday). ARAN will represent the anti side. While I share ARAN's anti-hare coursing stance, I wouldn't be happy with its anti-shooting views.

Dusty87

Would they ever just fcuk off and get over it

Birdnuts

Why do these types get so much media exposure?? - their clueless BS on hunting, shooting and the legal control of vermin species etc. actually damages the cause of legitimate welfare and conservational issues such as abandoned horses/dogs and the damage the likes of mink are doing to our native wildlife etc.:mad:

johngalway

Birdnuts wrote: »

Why do these types get so much media exposure??

The squeakiest wheel gets most oil.

Longranger

Oh well,looks like we can look forward to a week of antis coming on here and talking sh!te about things they haven't got a fu<&ing bulls notion about!

fodda

Birdnuts wrote: »

and the damage the likes of mink are doing to our native wildlife etc.:mad:

Yeah i know they do keep taking those pheasants:D

It wasn't me!

Longranger wrote: »

Oh well,looks like we can look forward to a week of antis coming on here and talking sh!te about things they haven't got a fu<&ing bulls notion about!

A week? I thought that was the eternal problem. :pac:

homerhop

Ah come on fodda, you suggesting mink are harmless?

fodda

homerhop wrote: »

Ah come on fodda, you suggesting mink are harmless?

Somebody tell him:rolleyes:

homerhop

enlighten me oh great one

fodda

homerhop wrote: »

enlighten me oh great one

Pheasants arent native wildlife they are as much an alien species as mink are.

No6

I think he's refering to the fact the phesants arn't native species either homerhop!! but then again neither are rabbits, fallow, sika and muntjac deer or raccons!!!

robertpatterson

Whats Aran?

It wasn't me!

Animal Rights Action Network

No6

robertpatterson wrote: »

Whats Aran?

I always thought it was a few islands and a type of wooly jumper!! But back to the OP i suspect that the audience will consists largely of a number of urban types most of whom don't live anywhere near the countryside and those that do are not trying to earn a living from farming or keeping any form of livestock except maybe a pet poodle or cat!!

james4510

You will find 90% of the people who are anti shooting etclive in the city and see a fox and think its cute and never see mink etc or see grey crows or magpies as pretty birds sure what harm could a little bird do???? Dont comment on something you have no idea about and get a hobbie. i agree on some points like fox hunting i agree a bird of prey or gun should be used and not let the dogs at them but vermin is vermin - i bet they wouldnt worry about killing the poor little mice or rats that had infested their home lol

round tower huntsman

how do these crusties get so much air time??? its been done to death recently, we've more important issues to be discussing ffs. i wont even bother watching tbh im sick of this debate at the moment. i'd rather take the russell out along a river for some rats:D

homerhop

I know they are not native fodda, but I would much prefer to see a couple of 100 pheasants released on the countryside than a couple of 100 mink released, but seeing as the animal rights lot such as bernie wright seem to take great satisfaction seeing mink released but yet they are up on their band wagon with hell fire and brimstone about those of us who hunt. They dont see the work that some gun clubs do such as cleaning up ponds, creating nest sites for birds, preserving habitat such as wetlands both locally and internationally but then they like to see us all as baby eating monsters who just shoot everything in sight.

fodda

Homer is was a joke that's all.

homerhop

tired and cranky take no notice of me

djflawless

another sh?t stirrin city reporter who NEEDS to improve his ratings or face getting the sack...decides to pick on 1 of the arguments that he knows will kick up a stir and get him those few extra credits

Sparks

Birdnuts wrote: »

Why do these types get so much media exposure?

If it bleeds, it leads. And they're very good at bleeding for the camera.

Longranger wrote: »

Oh well,looks like we can look forward to a week of antis coming on here and talking sh!te about things they haven't got a fu<&ing bulls notion about!

The button is your friend...

Spunk84

i quite enjoy some of the Aran rants that have taken place;)on here. Shows you that most of them dont have a clue:D Even the ones that have abit of a clue always seem to lose it and then get banned:rolleyes: Very comical

Longranger

Sparks wrote: »

If it bleeds, it leads. And they're very good at bleeding for the camera.The button is your friend...

And a busy friend it may turn out to be for many of us Sparks:)

Tackleberrywho

Jo Smith

Researcher
The Frontline
RTÉ Current Affairs

Phone (01) 2083640
Email josepha.smith@rte.ie

If you would like to be part of The Frontline audience, please email thefrontlineaudience@rte.ie or phone (01) 2082941.

She is a very nice girl with Glasses. Ring or mail her tomorrow for tickets

Cass

Longranger wrote: »

..........looks like we can look forward to a week of antis coming on here and talking sh!te .....

We are all entitled to talk a little s**t at times, but as the title of this post states, allow this to be a warning TO ALL. The very first mention of morality of hunting, hunting is wrong/evil, etc and there will be NO WARNINGS. The offending poster will have their post deleted and face infraction.

Hunting is not illegal, and the hunting forum (aswell as the shooting forum in general) is a forum dedicated and devoted to the free exchange of chat, debate, discussion, ideas, photos, etc without "fear" of reprisals, insults, abuse. So while others are free and welcome to come on here and post away NO-ONE can say they did not know the rules.

Sparks wrote: »

.The button is your friend...

+1.

In keeping with that and the above point please lads, DO NOT resort to returning insults. If there is a post thats offends or breaks any of the charter rules including the discussion on the moralty of shooting just report it and let the mods handle it. We (or probably just me) mostly have no lives (:D) so one of us will respond quick enough .

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On a personal note i do not believe the programme tomorrow will be of any significant importance. It will be sensationalist, and have parties from both sides arguing passionately. Then in a week or less it will be forgotten about until the next time some programme chief or reporter needs to fill some air time/column space. It was only a few months ago we had a multiple page thread on a similar topic from the same programme.

It has come up in the past and will continue to come up. :rolleyes:

Grizzly 45

John "Streaker" Carmody,and his bevvy of nudie beauties...;)
Or his smear Enda Kenny with bloody handprints in Cork PR stunt...
Anyone with half a brain should be able to demolish this guy as a PR seeker and exhibitionist whose street acts are cogs off PETA and are as original a cheese sandwich.Well you know too why girls find "those kind" of guys arttactive???:);)
After all their ARAN family consists of about 12 people most of them girls.
This will be an emotive barrage from them and can be demolished by keeping cool and factual.

WHY are they getting air time??Simple...they are on the backfoot and stand to lose their gains of the Stag hunting ban!!Their main allies are gone[Greens],their only suporters are a inner city independant Trotty type woman who inherited Tony Gegory's seat,A TV documentary that they thought would just show "their" side of the story only,and didnt,which they now claim is "biased "It was a PR disaster for them as they encouraged all their members to watch it.

No one else is intrested in them in the Dail as we really have more important things on our plate than stag or foxhunting bans.Most people are more concerned with lack of jobs,putting food on the table and keeping a roof over their heads than this bunch of loopers with their agenda.Same like the delusional Green party who are planning a grand comback in the local elections in 2014..They just cant take a hint!!:rolleyes:

It has gone quiet ,so the shte must be stirred to keep this in the public eye.Let them to it...More rope to hang themselves and show that in the worst disaster to hit this country since Black47 there are these minority crackpots running around more concerned with a few deer or foxes than reality! Their impatience will ultimately destroy them.

Longranger

Just out of curiosity,who'll be speaking on behalf of the hunting community? Will they able to quieten this lot?

Vizzy

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

After all their ARAN family consists of about 12 people most of them girls.
This will be an emotive barrage from them and can be demolished by keeping cool and factual.

WHY are they getting air time??Simple...they are on the backfoot and stand to lose their gains of the Stag hunting ban!!Their main allies are gone[Greens],their only suporters are a inner city independant Trotty type woman who inherited Tony Gegory's seat,A TV documentary that they thought would just show "their" side of the story only,and didnt,which they now claim is "biased "It was a PR disaster for them as they encouraged all their members to watch it.

No one else is intrested in them in the Dail as we really have more important things on our plate than stag or foxhunting bans.Most people are more concerned with lack of jobs,putting food on the table and keeping a roof over their heads than this bunch of loopers with their agenda.Same like the delusional Green party who are planning a grand comback in the local elections in 2014..They just cant take a hint!!:rolleyes:

It has gone quiet ,so the shte must be stirred to keep this in the public eye.Let them to it...More rope to hang themselves and show that in the worst disaster to hit this country since Black47 there are these minority crackpots running around more concerned with a few deer or foxes than reality! Their impatience will ultimately destroy them.

Lads why are we getting all wound up about this before it has even been aired.
As Grizzly says,the anti's are on the back foot,big time.
Look at the disaster that was "the truth about coursing" a few weeks ago.
I would say that if there is anybody decent on Frontline tonight arguing for the "Hunting" side,the anti's will be shown up for what they are-slightly loony.
Course,I might be wrong but I'm goin to watch the programme tonight with an open mind and an open steak sandwich !!

Longranger

Vizzy wrote: »

Lads why are we getting all wound up about this before it has even been aired.
As Grizzly says,the anti's are on the back foot,big time.
Look at the disaster that was "the truth about coursing" a few weeks ago.
I would say that if there is anybody decent on Frontline tonight arguing for the "Hunting" side,the anti's will be shown up for what they are-slightly loony.
Course,I might be wrong but I'm goin to watch the programme tonight with an open mind and an open steak sandwich !!

+1 on the steak sandwich! I'll have mine bloody please:)

Birdnuts

Vizzy wrote: »

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I would say that if there is anybody decent on Frontline tonight arguing for the "Hunting" side,the anti's will be shown up for what they are-slightly loony.
!!

I hope so - though I've often found the standard of debate on this show to be rather poor:(. It would be great to get someone who can eloquently highlight the benefit of hunting in terms of protecting irelands native wildlife etc.

Tackleberrywho

Birdnuts wrote: »

I hope so - though I've often found the standard of debate on this show to be rather poor:(. It would be great to get someone who can eloquently highlight the benefit of hunting in terms of protecting irelands native wildlife etc.

Look for Tickets!!

And go on, you don't have to tell anybody you are going. I know plenty that were on the show in recent months.

The Audience is always loaded, and the people who ask Questions are in teh front row, but if you wait until they are talking to someone beside you that's how you will get to make your comment that was un rehearsed and they will not be expecting it. Liven the Plank up

John_Rambo

james4510 wrote: »

You will find 90% of the people who are anti shooting etclive in the city

Who told you this?

Birdnuts

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Look for Tickets!!

And go on, you don't have to tell anybody you are going. I know plenty that were on the show in recent months.

But I have a face for RADIO only!!:(;) - Seriously though I would go on if it wasn't for the fact that I'm tied up at work till late = so much for being self-employed with a shortage of cash and help:(

deeksofdoom

Longranger wrote: »

Just out of curiosity,who'll be speaking on behalf of the hunting community? Will they able to quieten this lot?

I hope the don't wheel out the same guys they had on The Frontline for the rise campaign.

Tackleberrywho

Birdnuts wrote: »

But I have a face for RADIO only!!:(;) - Seriously though I would go on if it wasn't for the fact that I'm tied up at work till late = so much for being self-employed with a shortage of cash and help:(

I'm supposed to be studying for exams, with the brother on the ride on lawn mower outside, and the Boss from work just rang me on my Day off/Study leave to ask me some silly Question.

If you want to go on the frontline, you have to be there for nine, they have a few "scabby sandwiches" on arrival "no frills, and Instant coffee.

Except No Alcohol like on other RTE shows.
Yer one the researcher will be on the front desk and if you're name is on the list you get in, if not you don't.

I've a headache from looking at revision notes and listening to recorded lectures.

Would love to be in the Audience and ask a few questions to these So called groups. If anyone goes there, the 4th Row seats are the best seats to be in to get your point across without having to play musical chairs. (anyone who was at the show will know what I mean by musical chairs)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba91zCmV49k

Now behave lads!

djflawless

my god!!!BRILLIANT:D
he seriously should be put forward for next elections

johngalway

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba91zCmV49k

I hope he's not on our side :eek:

Tackleberrywho

johngalway wrote: »

I hope he's not on our side :eek:

I reckon Sparks yerself and Irl connor should go!
We need someone who speaks higher leaving cert English to be the main speaker and someone to clap on queue

Who ever goes needs to be clean cut, speak well and have a squeaky clean image.
I'd send Pedro, except I don't know what he sounds like

I would go if it were not for the fact that I should be studying :eek:

Sparks

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I reckon Sparks yerself and Irl connor should go!

Thanks tack, but myself and IRLConor don't hunt!

doyle61

Christ I remember that one; laughed my hole off at it:D:D

Tackleberrywho

Sparks wrote: »

Thanks tack, but myself and IRLConor don't hunt!

Yee could tell Johns stories and John could clap on queue and say here here, All though that Galway Brogue might work as part of a tag team effort.

Give yer wan Jo Smith a call, she works late so she might be able to squeeze yee in tonight.

You have been moderating on the hunting forum long enough so you should be able to string a couple of sentences together about "hunters you know", and then introduce John

a couple of hunded look at boards on any given occasion, but thousands view front line.

We need a few speakers "Just in case Bernie Wrong is on a high"

Sparks

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

a couple of hunded look at boards on any given occasion, but thousands view front line.

We have a few more than that watching here on any given day :pac:

garv123

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I reckon Sparks yerself and Irl connor should go!
We need someone who speaks higher leaving cert English to be the main speaker and someone to clap on queue

Who ever goes needs to be clean cut, speak well and have a squeaky clean image.
I'd send Pedro, except I don't know what he sounds like

I would go if it were not for the fact that don't meet the above description.

fyp:rolleyes::p:p

Tackleberrywho

Sparks wrote: »

We have a few more than that watching here on any given day :pac:

Watching a myriad of threads, not a specific thread

You love a good debate, well go on The Frontline!!

.243

Sparks wrote: »

Thanks tack, but myself and IRLConor don't hunt!

and right there lies the divide of support between hunters that shoot and plain shooters :rolleyes:

It wasn't me!

.243 wrote: »

and right there lies the divide of support between hunters that shoot and plain shooters :rolleyes:

I think it's plain that he meant he felt they wouldn't be suitable advocates as they might not know enough or might misrepresent something. Unless you're going to hire professional PR teams, you have to advocate your own position.

Tackleberrywho

garv123 wrote: »

fyp:rolleyes::p:p

Have not shaved in a week, spake proper is not my natur.
And I was never big on English

Of course the whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaterford accent would work well on RTE-FL

Tackleberrywho

.243 wrote: »

and right there lies the divide of support between hunters that shoot and plain shooters :rolleyes:

Thats why I maintain that JG, IRL C, And Sparks should go, and Vegeta for that matter.
That would be South West East and send one from the BMW region for good measure

TippFan77

Birdnuts wrote: »

I hope so - though I've often found the standard of debate on this show to be rather poor:(. It would be great to get someone who can eloquently highlight the benefit of hunting in terms of protecting irelands native wildlife etc.

On this "benefit to hunting" idea...I often think it would be a good idea to define exactly waht we mean when we say hunting. In the USA, a man who goes shooting calls himself a hunter, and is referred to by most peopel as such. Here, he'd be called a shooter. In the USA a shooter is someone usually who's in a rifle club.

There's some confusion over this because you'd be surprised at how Americans think what many in Ireland call "hunting" is game shooting, whereas most Irish people think of hunting as foxhunting with hounds, maybe otter-hunting, stag hunting, or generally something not quite as acceptable as killing (more or less humanely) with a bullet or a sprinkling of lead.

In ancient times, man hunted and killed for his food, so I reckon all those who shoot "for the pot" should be termed hunters, and those who engage in chasing foxes or fox cubs with hounds, "digging out" etc, should be called something else, to avoid confusion. It's unfair in my view to lump in game shooting with those activities, as unfortunately anti-hunting campaigners occasionally do...

Tackleberrywho

I shoot deer for the pot, Rabbits and deer for the farmer, and Foxes for hats;)


I always called myself a hunter. as I have to hunt down my prey. To me shooting is more target shooting.

Rough shooting is birds, waterfowling is duck geese.
And varminting is anything that has open season that affects the farming community

I have shot almost every game and vermin/varmint species this island has to offer.

I would not be offended by Hunter or shooter as I also shoot targets occasionally.