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A restoration tale (with pics)
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I decided to have a go at filming myself working to try and make this interesting. My apologies for the sound in places. I'm using an old digital camera and it just has a little condenser mic so it seems to pick up the breeze. Also apologies for a rather intrusive in places Radio 1 in the background. You learn as you go eh!
Filming yourself at this kind of work is tricky to say the least. If you are not covered in toxic dust, then you are covered in acetone or tacky as hell epoxy. Trying to switch on and off the camera, check it's pointing at roughly the right spot, trying to access a mtiny little record button while wearing big sticky gloves that are stuck to you....etc etc etc
I need a camera man. Anyhow let me know what you think of these and in particular what do you reckon to the floor questions I raise in vid#2.
Many thanks to everyone for replies and discussions, please keep em coming.
1. Adding a new layer to glass fibre to the deck floor
2. The finished product and some questions.
3. Different types of glass fibre cloth
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I've followed this from the start and look forward to your updates. You're probably going to hate me now, but believe it or not I actually prefer reading the updates rather than watching the clips. Having said that, seeing how you're doing it is quite interesting.
Just my 2c.
Oh, and I just hit the first page again by accident, you've come a hell of along way when you look a what it was. well done
You're right, I hate you!
What do others think? Are the videos crap?0 -
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You're right, I hate you!
What do others think? Are the videos crap?
I like the vids and purely from your own point of view, they should be much faster for you to get through *once you get used to the camera etc, you wont have to spend a few minutes every evening documenting everything.0 -
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A picture speaks a thousand words and a video a thousand more
keep them coming. A wise man once said.
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”
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I'm also a fan of both! The vids are great and I like the Radio 1 I hope you're getting a few bob from your local MACE for the product placement
However you decide to combine vid, pictures and text in your thread, I still find the whole thing fascinating. You have a real talent for it indeed. Fibreglassing made interesting - who'd have thought it!0 -
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Day 34
I often loose track of time as in the date. I tend to live life alternating between the hard shoulder and the central verge, it sometimes seems as though everyone is whizzing by in traffic lanes but I am faffing about sightseeing. I often judge the time of year by best before dates. Tonight I picked up a quart of milk, on it was printed "use by 12/8/11". Sweet Jesus H. Willoughby Christ!!! Where has the year gone? What happened to time? I put the boat in my garden in March, I spent a few hours cleaning it out, took a break to make a cuppa and my milk says "use by 12/8/11". In the words of my great great grandmother...."sweet fcuk!"
From midday, the sun started shining slowly but surely. You should be here this evening. It's like a mediterranean vista. There's a bold blue sky, the sun is brilliant, the fishing boats are out on the lake, up in the village, all the tables outside the Mayfly are busy with suppers. The weather is so dam important. It's a driver and contributes to everything.
I looked at my new deck floor today. My fears were somewhat realised in that the 600gsm woven roving glass fibre created a sort of matrix pattern with lots of little pin holes in the weave crossover gap. The cure though is a simple one. I mixed up epoxy, white pigment and a small amount of colloidal silica to thicken the mix to the consistency of treacle. I was then able to paint this onto my new floor. It does two things; (a) makes it even whiter and (b) fills all the little pinhole gaps. As you can see, my lack of experience continues to be a great source of extra work for me but who knew?
The floor now looks like a really serious job, beautiful, robust, strong. There is now three coats of epoxy sandwiching a layer of 600gsm cloth. I notice too that the floor has stiffened up somewhat with the new stringers and the above. This is what I am after. Up until now, it creaked, cracked and flexed when I walked on it, always making me feel nervous. I still wanna get the hell up off it completely with a nice marine ply flat floor but I just knowing that the deck hull is now decent makes me feel so much better about the boat.
I spent the rest of the afternoon sanding down areas that I have been filling with Hempel. These areas include both side keel seats on the hull underside. Another sanding and filling and they will be ready for paint. I have also been going around the boat and going over all the old fixture and fitting holes thast I have filled previously. My method of choice was to tape up these on the gelcoat external side, and pack them with epoxy paste from the interior. Today I used a dremmel with a bore stone attachment to burr these filled areas making a slight keyed depression ready for filling; And fill I did. Tonight the entire boat looks like it spent the day shaving and cutting itself, in that it's all patchy with filler - so much so that it has to spend the night with no cover. Rain don't you even think about it.....I swear to god!!!
And finally, back to our Boat restoration recipies section:cool:
One thing that drives me insane when trying to work on the boat, is having to stop and take care of dinner. I never want to stop once I get going. When it comes to food, I cook batches. Today I had a nice tray of roasties ready and back to our olf friends at LIDL for a couple of lamb shanks. Oh yeah baby these puppies are yummy. 2 in a box for a fiver. They come pre-cooked and all you gotta do is heat them by boiling for a few minutes. Be great on a boat.
1. New deck floor after painting a thickened epoxy mix onto the woven roving. Fills the gaps beautifully and whitenes the floor up. Although I guess epoxy tends to discolour and suffers from the sun so lets see what happens here.
2. The sky has turned a weird colour today. All the animals have stopped howling and the local witch says it's something to do with a phenomenon known as summertime.
3. Burring out filled holes rgetting them ready for epoxy filler.
4. Time to look at the side keel timbers. Here they are fully dried, sanded and you can see where I routed out the rot in one of them. I will fill this with epoxy. Who can tell me what timber these are? I am guessing they are hard wood 'cos they are very heavy.
5. Go down to LIDL and pick up a pair of these. Shanks for the tip!:cool:
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From experience with this system (involuntarily!! but thats a story for the launch party:D) you would have to be going very very fast, even Ribs need a lenght of flexible hose to create a sort of valve. The system is called an elephants trunk I think.
Not trying to deliberately disagree with you here, but working with ribs and other boats every day, the system works well and you don't need to be going very very fast. You need to be doing 8 knots, which is quick for some boats, but this one should be fine if it is correctly powered. If you aren't doing 8 knots, water does start to come in, which isn't an idle outcome
Obviously if the plan is for a small engine (nothing wrong with under powering the boat, just don't over power it) then this system won't work.
Just to add to your knowledge slig, which I've been learning from through your advice; Ribs don't "need" the hose/flexible tubes to create a valve. The reason they are used is purely for convenience. With a piece of rope attached to the outside end of it, you can quickly pull the end of the "sock" out of the water to prevent water entering the boat when you slow down.
These holes could be designed with socks in mind but not in place and then blocked with bungs, as is the case in some zodiac ribs. Or in the case of smaller ribs such as 3.5m avons and caribes, they have a 6x4x1 inch well at the stern with a bung that you can easily pull out and put back when you want to drain the water. These ribs are not designed for socks and a bung is easy to use as they can only take tiller engines so you just need to reach down to use it.
I find bungs in bigger ribs are a pain as they are capable of taking socks and making it a much quicker and easier process when on your own. Obviously with these type of boats socks don't really work so a bung is what is needed.
While its not all relevant to this project, it can be handy to know
What about cutting a 1cm trench cut down into in each stringer, bedding down a small plastic tube, epoxying back over that. Then a sump plug cut into the lowest point of the transom where it meets the full.
How am I doing so far?????
Then what about a 12v pump with an intake hose attached to the floor at lowest point ?
If enough people ok this, I'll do it.
even without the bit in bold it sounds good.
I'm guessing what you mean is that you'd put a bung in the lowest possible place of the transom, which would be in addition to the pump? If so then my opinion would be a yes this sounds perfect 0 -
This is a rough sketch, the central stringer runs all the way back, so which side to place the bung? or perhaos two bungs, if not, then at the very least I need notches in the central stringer to allow water through it as well as the branch stringers.
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