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Should TG4 be closed down in the 2011 budget?

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    #152
    Krusader
    Registered Users Posts: 4,057 ✭✭✭Krusader


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    So you concede this is not about RTE and their salaries, why did you bring it up then?

    Nothing wrong with TG4, I watch it the odd time. That's not the point. The money spent on the station is the issue at hand.

    I didn't concede anything :confused:
    If we want to make savings in broadcasting wouldn't it be better to slash RTÉs budget in half, in any way TG4 employs people in areas where employment opportunities are scarce and traditionally have been hot beds for emigration. There's social and communal reasons for not scraping it


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    #153
    Minstrel27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Minstrel27


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    So you concede this is not about RTE and their salaries, why did you bring it up then?

    Nothing wrong with TG4, I watch it the odd time. That's not the point. The money spent on the station is the issue at hand.

    You never answered his question. I will repost it for you.
    Crosáidí wrote: »
    Is it 'cause you don't watch it, we don't need it


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    #154
    hotmail.com
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    yoshytoshy wrote: »
    It's creating employment.

    So now this is about employment.


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    #155
    yoshytoshy
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    So now this is about employment.

    No, it's all about you.


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    #156
    Krusader
    Registered Users Posts: 4,057 ✭✭✭Krusader


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    So now this is about employment.

    You can't just cut things willy-nilly, there has to be rational thinking behind it


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    #157
    hotmail.com
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    Minstrel27 wrote: »
    You never answered his question. I will repost it for you.

    It's completely irrelevant whether I watch TG4 or not. And I said I watch it the odd time.


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    #158
    judestynes
    Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭judestynes


    My opinion is close down rte 1&2 and give their funding to tg4. TG4 has consistantly punched well above it's weight in regards to documentaries and drama. Watching their doc's on easter week 1916. It's been a very long time since RTE 1 or 2 offered anything as good espcially considering the very limited budget tg4 has to work with compared to RTE 1 or 2.


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    #159
    hotmail.com
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    Crosáidí wrote: »
    You can't just cut things willy-nilly, there has to be rational thinking behind it

    Please rational thinking from the Irish language die hards is difficult to find.

    Rational thinking - abolish any state funding to TG4.

    Irrational thinking - maintain the funding to keep a small minority of people in Ireland happy who are hell bent on keeping the Irish langauge alive.


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    #160
    twinQuins
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    Morkarleth wrote: »
    Please point out where I said I hated Irish.

    I notice, Crosáidí, you still haven't addressed this; too embarrassed you were caught out? Or just unwilling to admit that not everyone who disagrees with how how the language is treated hates it.

    Also, Dostoevsky, I'm still waiting on that retraction. You basically lied about what I said and I don't take that lightly. From your thanks I know you're still reading the thread.


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    #161
    aDeener
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    xxshebeexx wrote: »
    If TG4 is so much better than RTÉ, then why do more people watch RTÉ?



    that's like asking: if the rolling stones are so much better than madonna, then why does madonna have way more sales?

    honestly ffs :rolleyes:


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    #162
    Average-Ro
    Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Average-Ro


    I can't see why people are calling for the end of TG4; firstly it's a quality boradcaster who's work I admire, and secondly, it has a budget of 36million which is tiny compared to what RTE get.

    I'd love to see RTE get the same budget as TG4 gets and see what they come up with then. TG4 constantly punch above their weight, RTE churn out any old shite. If they had to work with the same budget TG4 do, it might open their eyes.

    In an ideal world; Mike's suggestion on page 1 would happen, or something similar anyway. I'd like to see RTE's budget slashed and have control handed over to the TG4 higher powers. Worst case scenario, quality stays the same, best case, it's improved upon.


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    #163
    DJP
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with TG4, I watch it the odd time. That's not the point. The money spent on the station is the issue at hand.

    The point is that this is a non-issue in Ireland as most people like TG4 and like the Irish language. Only cranks would be in favour of ending the funding the station gets.


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    #164
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Shutdown RTE, tell any lovely ladies presenting that there's still jobs for them but montrose is being turned into europe largest porn studio.

    Kenny, Tubridy et al can stay on with much reduced salaries as fluffers for the gay porn dept. Actually I'm not sure they'd be any use at that even


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    #165
    Krusader
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    Morkarleth wrote: »
    I notice, Crosáidí, you still haven't addressed this; too embarrassed you were caught out? Or just unwilling to admit that not everyone who disagrees with how how the language is treated hates it.
    Apologies, i misinterpreted your posts, I traced back through them and found you didn't state that.


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    #166
    Krusader
    Registered Users Posts: 4,057 ✭✭✭Krusader


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Please rational thinking from the Irish language die hards is difficult to find.

    Rational thinking - abolish any state funding to TG4.

    Irrational thinking - maintain the funding to keep a small minority of people in Ireland happy who are hell bent on keeping the Irish langauge alive.

    I'm not an Irish language diehard, if you were implying that

    Check the poll, most people on boards are happy with the job TG4 does,


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    #167
    twinQuins
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    Crosáidí wrote: »
    Apologies, i misinterpreted your posts, I traced back through them and found you didn't state that.

    And I apologise for being so confrontational. It's easy to get caught up in these threads.

    For what it's worth, I really don't hate the language, I just dislike how it's become so entwined with nationalism.


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    #168
    Iwasfrozen
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    Crosáidí wrote: »
    I'm not an Irish language diehard, if you were implying that

    Check the poll, most people on boards are happy with the job TG4 does,
    Most people generally are happy to leave expenses as they are. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be addressed regardless.


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    #169
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    Morkarleth wrote: »

    For what it's worth, ..... I just dislike how it's become so entwined with nationalism.

    I agree with that, language and politics should not be mixed.


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    #170
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    yoshytoshy wrote: »
    Does anyone on boards speak welsh ?


    Dw i 'n gallu siarad Cymraeg. Dw i ddim yn siarad Cymraeg yn dda iawn ond dw i 'n gweithio yn galed a bydda i'n gallu.

    I speak Welsh. I don't speak Welsh very well but I'm working hard and I will be able to. :D


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    #171
    cock robin
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    Shut down RTE and leave TG4 alone. I dont watch it or RTE but anything that rid's the world of jug lug Turbity is an excellent idea. The jug eared prick would then have to plug his book like everyone else as a guest on shows other than his own. What a talentless cnut.


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    #172
    randylonghorn
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    Crosáidí wrote: »
    There is an Fórám Lán-Ghaeilge and if writing in Irish in an English thread it is customery to translate it, otherwise the vultures will be on your back, its just the way it is :o
    In fairness, it's just courteous to do so, Crosáidí.

    That said, a crazy amount of knicker-twisting here about *one sentence* which was a part of one post.

    I wonder would a Spanish or French speaker who used one sentence in their native language in the middle of a post otherwise in English be subjected to the same level of vitriol?

    Courtesy goes both ways, especially on a site which has "be civil!" as its watchword.
    hotmail.com wrote: »
    This is not about RTE and the ridiculous salaries, this is about TG4.
    It's about TG4, sure, but RTE is very relevant to the discussion, given that the discussion is, in essence, about nationally-funded broadcasting.
    Morkarleth wrote: »
    For what it's worth, I really don't hate the language, I just dislike how it's become so entwined with nationalism.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    I agree with that, language and politics should not be mixed.
    Yep, I'll agree with ye on that too.

    In fact, my personal opinion is that too much mixing of politics and the language over the years at every level is part of the reason why the language is not in a much stronger state to-day.


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    #173
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    johngalway wrote: »
    Who's making you feel that way?

    Genuine question.

    I'm from Conamara and can't speak Irish worth a damn but I'll defend and value the language and culture we have.

    I never seen it as something to beat another over the,head with.

    GizAGoOfYerGee wrote: »
    I have never deliberately excluded people by speaking in a language that they can't understand. It is entirely rude and does nothing to promote the language.

    If you think people are speaking in Irish just to exclude you, they are assholes. Don't blame the language itself. :)

    I was not referring to either of you in my post that you quoted, but the person who got the hump with me for pointing out that I didn't understand the portion of their post that was written in Irish without translation.


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    #174
    Sir Oxman
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    I think TG4 does a brilliant job with the measly 34m quid it gets.
    Quality Irish and foreign documentaries, movies, foreign series, sport and Ros na Rún.

    I would love to see a transfer of the tv tax from RTE to TG4 - 500k for 4hours radio a week to Finucane is NOT money well spent.


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    #175
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    gambiaman wrote: »
    I would love to see a transfer of the tv tax from RTE to TG4 - 500k for 4hours radio a week to Finucane is NOT money well spent.

    Absolutely, how the f*ck can someone moan about the money from our licence fees and government grants given to TG4, yet not see this is the real waste, paying exorbitant salaries like this.
    The money payed to the top half dozen RTE personalities could probably pay for another TV station. (this is AH I don't have to quote figures ;)).


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    #176
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    I was not referring to either of you in my post that you quoted, but the person who got the hump with me for pointing out that I didn't understand the portion of their post that was written in Irish without translation.

    Sorry to jump in here but,
    In this day and age of "globalisation" and the internet, a single line written on line in a language one does not understand, is not a genuine problem of the sort you are trying to make out.
    Google translate is there for just that thing. Unless one is trying to work out the nuances of poetry or understand complicated prose...etc, this tool works just fine (usually).
    I checked and G. Translate worked fine for this particular sentence.
    The problem you had was not a linguistic one, but rather of a different sort, it is just this exact "problem" you had that got a few people annoyed.


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    #177
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Cú Giobach wrote: »
    Sorry to jump in here but,
    In this day and age of "globalisation" and the internet, a single line written on line in a language one does not understand, is not a genuine problem of the sort you are trying to make out.
    Google translate is there for just that thing. Unless one is trying to work out the nuances of poetry or understand complicated prose...etc, this tool works just fine (usually).
    I checked and G. Translate worked fine for this particular sentence.
    The problem you had was not a linguistic one, but rather of a different sort, it is just this exact "problem" you had that got a few people annoyed.
    Excellent idea! It could save thousands in translating offical documents and the like into Irish. Just tell em to get the online version and Google translate it....Wait, what? 'uman rights, you say?


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    #178
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Excellent idea! It could save thousands in translating offical documents and the like into Irish. Just tell em to get the online version and Google translate it....Wait, what? 'uman rights, you say?

    WTF...:confused:

    What has that answer got to do with the fact you were annoyed because someone posted, not in just a language you didn't understand, but in Irish.


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    #179
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    I am suggesting that that is the advice you should give to those who demand, as a Human Right, to access official documents through Irish.
    Go on line, download it and translate it yourself. It would save the country a small fortune.


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    #180
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Its a good station leave it alone


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    #181
    Cú Giobach
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    Sardonicat wrote: »
    I am suggesting that that is the advice you should give to those who demand, as a Human Right, to access official documents through Irish.
    Go on line, download it and translate it yourself. It would save the country a small fortune.

    But G. translate isn't very good, in fact it is quite funny most of the time and only works to give a rough idea of what was written.
    It worked perfectly for that sentence earlier though. ( Although the original was funnier).


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