I was asked for my religion today..

bad2dabone

your questions have been answered.
Please stop embarrassing yourself.

Seaneh

gurramok wrote: »

Just because you are losing the debate, there is no need to call me a tool. Its unreal the personal abuse that comes across from opposers of others who hold other beliefs :eek:

There is no debate, there is several people pointing out your idiocy.

Also, NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR BELIEFS.
Your lack of faith in a deity has NOTHING to do with peoples replies to your inane, nonsensical, retarded "rebuttals" and hypocritical ramblings.
We are just pointing out the blatantly ****ing obvious.

gurramok wrote: »

Have they ever discussed religion? (assuming you are telling the truth)

The staff in the hospital? I few would ask me about the bible on my locker or when they saw me reading it. They would ask me about prayer and what I believe. Some of them were atheist, some were christians, a few muslims, a few hindu, one of my doctors happened to be a member of the same denomination as myself and we would chat quite a bit, he prayed with me a few times and even asked for advice about something once. We still keep in touch.

gurramok wrote: »

(assuming you are telling the truth)

Why would I lie? If you ask I will tell you exactly why I was in hospital

pretty*monster

gurramok wrote: »

Why assume i'm a Catholic as the other poster says its a Catholic run hospital?

Hospitals should not be run by the religious, agree?

In an ideal world hospitals would not be run by religions. But I think that's irrelevant to the question of whether religious comfort should be offered to patients who so wish it. The comfort on offer would likely only be available from Catholic priests even if the hospital was not Catholic run because the vast majority of Irish people who are religious are Catholic.
In order to help identify the people who will want visits from the chaplain the hospital asks people what their religion is. What is the problem?

gurramok

Seaneh wrote: »

And they cannot know that unless they ask.

Check mate.

/thread, now, shut the **** up.

If you can't see the point of what I said I worry about you.
Seriously, do an AQ test.

Well, here's the thing. If you aren't a Christian, a priest would see it as piontless as giving you the last rights as they don't apply to you. simple reality of it. Also, you are being a total hypocrite here.

I don't care either way.

Can you stop the abuse? It makes your argument so weak post upon post.

bad2dabone

seriously you have been answered multiple times Gurramok, what is your malfunction?

alwaysadub

Ssshh-maybe if we all stay really quiet,he'll go off to bed..

vibe666

you won't change his mind no matter what you say, he has a totally unshakable (almost) religious determination that he's right and everyone else is wrong.

robinph

Seaneh wrote: »

"The incidence of Crohn's disease has been ascertained from population studies in Norway and the United States and is similar at 6 to 7.1:100,000. Crohn's disease is more common in northern countries, and shows a higher preponderance in northern areas of the same country. The incidence of Crohn's disease is thought to be similar in Europe but lower in Asia and Africa. It also has a higher incidence in Ashkenazi Jews"

Ashkenazi Jews are also disposed to

Bloom Syndrome
Canavan Disease
Factor XI Deficiency
Familial Dysautonomia (Riley-Day syndrome)
Fanconi Anemia
Gaucher Disease
Mucolipidosis IV
Niemann-Pick Disease
Non-Classical Adrenal Hyperplasia
Nonsyndromic Hearing Loss
Tay-Sachs Disease
Torsion Dystonia


Because of reasons like this. To provide the best care they ****ing can, as has been pointed out a million times already. If they know that you carry mutated genes (like those responsible for Crohn's) they can start approach diagnosis in a much more efficient way.

Also, if you are a JW you will not want blood products used in your treatment, this is your legal right and if they know this they can act around it as best they can.

The receptionist has no reason to be asking medical questions which is what you are suggesting is the reason behind asking for religion. If religion has any part to play in the persons medical care then that should be asked by the medical staff, not the secretary, and medical information shouldn't be on the part of the systems that they have access to.

If a Jehovas Witness needs a blood transfusion then if they are in a fit state to answer then they can say no, I believe there are other alternatives they will take. If they are not in a fit state to answer then they will be given the treatment that the doctor determines they need. Only reason for needing to know if they are JW is so that they can get the lawyers warmed up ready to get the case thrown out when someone complains.

As for the specific set of Jews that you mention, that is relevant to the persons medical history. But there is no reason for the receptionist to be asking that question and getting the wrong or vague answer because they don't understand the reason. That is a question for the doctor to be asking and if there is any hereditary medical conditions in your family.

PAULWATSON

Don't see the problem with the question.

If you answer "athiest" I'd assume they will put you in the "I'm easily duped" section of the ward.

demag

gurramok wrote: »

Yes, some people with terminal conditions require their religious beliefs in a hospital environment. Thats their wish, I wish my beliefs were respected equally.

Didn't read all the thread in full but how the hell can they respect your beliefs if they don't ask what they are in the first place.

gurramok

demag wrote: »

Didn't read all the thread in full but how the hell can they respect your beliefs if they don't ask what they are in the first place.

They ask 'what religion you are?' instead of asking 'do you have a religion?' in the first place. Automatic assumption that I have a religion from the former.

strobe

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Don't see the problem with the question.

If you answer "athiest" I'd assume they will put you in the "I'm easily duped" section of the ward.

But what about if you answer "atheist"? Do you go into the same "I'm easily duped" ward for the people that can't spell? This whole business of segregating people that can't spell seems very arbitrary to me in the first place to be honest. Is it common practice in other countries or is it just an Irish thing?

partyatmygaff

gurramok wrote: »

They ask 'what religion you are?' instead of asking 'do you have a religion?' in the first place. Automatic assumption that I have a religion from the former.

There are more people on a global scale who are religious than those who are not. They cater for everyone but with preference to the majority. But be that as it may... don't all you atheists always go on about how 'open-minded' and 'free' you are?

HarryPotter41

partyatmygaff wrote: »

There are more people on a global scale who are religious than those who are not. They cater for everyone but with preference to the majority. But be that as it may... don't all you atheists always go on about how 'open-minded' and 'free' you are?

You usually find atheists spend more time talking about religion than religious people. Strange that.

lmaopml

gurramok wrote: »

They ask 'what religion you are?' instead of asking 'do you have a religion?' in the first place. Automatic assumption that I have a religion from the former.

You should have just told her you were hurt and shocked at the way she put the question to you, that you were feeling a little precious at the time.

Me, I'm horrified..lol...

gurramok, I had a great time reading through this thread lastnight, particularly the dentist bits, very funny! Can't believe it went on till all hours in the morning, and still going...:pac:

HarryPotter41

lmaopml wrote: »

You should have just told her you were hurt and shocked at the way she put the question to you, that you were feeling a little precious at the time.

Me, I'm horrified..lol...

gurramok, I had a great time reading through this thread lastnight, particularly the dentist bits, very funny! Can't believe it went on till all hours in the morning, and still going...:pac:

The great thing is ya just know when hes on his death bed he will be crying out for a priest to visit him

gurramok

partyatmygaff wrote: »

There are more people on a global scale who are religious than those who are not. They cater for everyone but with preference to the majority. But be that as it may... don't all you atheists always go on about how 'open-minded' and 'free' you are?

So its a numbers game then? Thats not respectful :mad:

Respect the minorities!

Healium

gurramok wrote: »

You had said Ireland is a Catholic country, thats a coldhouse to anyone that is not Catholic. How on earth can anyone in your scenario feel comfy practicising a religion or no religion at all?!

No need for abuse, I ain't a wall, i'm a person who does not agree with your religious beliefs thank you.

You know that we have the same beliefs. Although, I'm embarrassed about it now. The only thing i'm uncomfortable with is that we have something in common

C'mon, you know you're just trolling. Circles....

http://bit.ly/b0vMwF

vibe666

Healium wrote: »

You know that we have the same beliefs. Although, I'm embarrassed about it now. The only thing i'm uncomfortable with is that we have something in common

C'mon, you know you're just trolling. Circles....

http://bit.ly/b0vMwF

don't worry, he's not an atheist, he's an unorthodox argumentist.

liking the tags at the bottom.

Ghost Estate

vibe666 wrote: »

don't worry, he's not an atheist, he's an unorthodox argumentist.

lol

If I had a corner shop and he came in to buy a bag of taytos I'd ask him his religion before selling it to him. Just so anyone else in the shop could get some free entertainment out of him

gurramok

Healium wrote: »

You know that we have the same beliefs. Although, I'm embarrassed about it now. The only thing i'm uncomfortable with is that we have something in common

C'mon, you know you're just trolling. Circles....

http://bit.ly/b0vMwF

Are you trolling?:eek:

Ghost Estate wrote: »

lol

If I had a corner shop and he came in to buy a bag of taytos I'd ask him his religion before selling it to him. Just so anyone else in the shop could get some free entertainment out of him

Do Tayto's kill? :eek:

MagicSean

I'd love to see the op donating blood. He'd probably spend the day arguing about the filter questions. Op did you lose your mind when they asked you for your next of kin?

gurramok

k_mac wrote: »

I'd love to see the op donating blood. He'd probably spend the day arguing about the filter questions. Op did you lose your mind when they asked you for your next of kin?

No, i'm still sane thanks;) Why don't they ask for your religion at a doctors then?

lmaopml

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM

mikemac

OP, would you prefer an opt in system?

Staff won't ask your religion, you must tell them if a chaplain or minister/whatever is important to you.
If you don't bring it to anyones attention then it's assumed you've opted out, so no last rites, no chaplain visit or nun doing the rounds with communion for you.

And if the doctor has some relevant question like blood transfusions, it'll be the doctor who asks it, not the staff on reception.
Doctor will ask as it's a medical question and they need to know.

Would that make you happy?

Btw, the tags are hilarious

gurramok

feelingstressed wrote: »

OP, would you prefer an opt in system?

Staff won't ask your religion, you must tell them if a chaplain or minister/whatever is important to you.
If you don't bring it to anyones attention then it's assumed you've opted out, so no last rites, no chaplain visit or nun doing the rounds with communion for you.

And if the doctor has some relevant question like blood transfusions, it'll be the doctor who asks it, not the staff on reception.
Doctor will ask as it's a medical question and they need to know.

Would that make you happy?

That does sound like a compromise. Better than automatically assuming you are religious lark.

MagicSean

feelingstressed wrote: »

OP, would you prefer an opt in system?

Staff won't ask your religion, you must tell them if a chaplain or minister/whatever is important to you.
If you don't bring it to anyones attention then it's assumed you've opted out, so no last rites, no chaplain visit or nun doing the rounds with communion for you.

And if the doctor has some relevant question like blood transfusions, it'll be the doctor who asks it, not the staff on reception.

Would that make you happy?

Btw, the tags are hilarious

The problem there is unexpected visits. Op is complaining that the info wasn't needed for a regular checkup. But what if you then walk out the door and get hit by a bus?

gurramok

k_mac wrote: »

The problem there is unexpected visits. Op is complaining that the info wasn't needed for a regular checkup. But what if you then walk out the door and get hit by a bus?

Getting hit by a bus can happen anytime, not just when you leave a hospital.

In your scenario, everyone should get the religious question for last rites before they leave their homes!

mikemac

If the OP is in a coma after the 78A ran them over then the last rites from a chaplain won't do him any harm.
May even save his soul :eek:

The visit was for fracture I think.
Well even the simplest of procedures can go wrong.

Sure I posted earlier in this thread on the African lady who was lost 80% of her blood, was given a blood transfusion, saved her life and the Coombe hospital got sued by her Jehovah Witnesses church
Gratitude I tell ya

So I think it's a relevent question but maybe the doctor should ask it when the OP is able to answer.........if there is a medical reason to ask it.
Someone else posted about a group of Jews predisposed to certain conditions.

After 19 pages, the OP is still unhappy so what is the solution here?

gurramok

feelingstressed wrote: »

So I think it's a relevent question but maybe the doctor should ask it when the OP is able to answer.........if there is a medical reason to ask it.
Someone else posted about a group of Jews predisposed to certain conditions.

After 19 pages, the OP is still unhappy so what is the solution here?

Ask me first 'do you have a religion Sir?' and then ask what is my religion if I answer yes.
Instead of asking first 'What religion are you?' which is the case now, that is labelling me as having a religion when I do not have one.

mikemac

As simple as that? Change the questionnaire the admitting staff are given?

That's the sort of thing that could implemented in an instant.
What were the last 19 pages of outrage about so?

You know what to do, contact the HSE and your local hospital.
Your local elected reps even

gurramok

feelingstressed wrote: »

As simple as that? Change the questionnaire the admitting staff are given?

That's the sort of thing that could implemented in an instant.
What were the last 19 pages of outrage about so?

You know what to do, contact the HSE and your local hospital.
Your local elected reps even

Only part of it. Since when did a non-intrusive/non-life threatening checkup involve religion? (and the checkup did not need a further clinic visit)

And the following question was never answered..."What gives them the legal right to ask about religion?" All I got was upset religionists over-reacting to that question.:mad:

HarryPotter41

Perhaps gurramok next time you are in a hospital you should go around the wards and see people with stuff thats a real worry instead of the nonsense you have been generating in here, will give you a whole new perspective on life. Or at least keep ya off this for a while.

XxMCRxBabyxX

gurramok wrote: »

And the following question was never answered..."What gives them the legal right to ask about religion?" All I got was upset religionists over-reacting to that question.:mad:

I'm going to try look for an answer to that for you.

Just one question. What makes you think that just because people are arguing against you, they must be "religionists"?

And really, it was everyone else who was overreacting?!

gurramok

XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »

I'm going to try look for an answer to that for you.

Just one question. What makes you think that just because people are arguing against you, they must be "religionists"?

And really, it was everyone else who was overreacting?!

Not everyone, only about 4 posters. Why did they throw a wobbler then?

They clearly objected to the question even been raised hence they got quite upset.

XxMCRxBabyxX

take everything wrote: »

Haven't really read the thread (just dipped into it here) but any thread that has that quote in it has to be good.
Classic.

So atheist-bashing is the new Christian-bashing.
I feel so last season.
Is this a recession thing.

I see no athiest-bashing?

XxMCRxBabyxX

gurramok wrote: »

Not everyone, only about 4 posters. Why did they throw a wobbler then?

They clearly objected to the question even been raised hence they got quite upset.

Noone "threw a wobbler."
Why don't overreacting to posts and twisting their words. No one has been able to anser your question yet, because they don't know, but have stated that it's more an administrative thing than a legal thing. Who got upset?

Richard

gurramok wrote: »

due/dudette , you never answered why would I change my views about religion on my deathbed?

Is there something everyone else should know?

Some people, faced with death find God. You may do, you may not. But such a traumatic experience does affect peoples views on religion from time to time.

mikemac

I think this thread will go on another 20 pages and still gurramok won't have an answer

But if I had an issue I would have gone to hospital management and asked my questions to the people with the knowledge and the power.

Some people come to After Hours on boards.ie instead

And the tags are getting even better!

gurramok

XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »

Noone "threw a wobbler."
Why don't overreacting to posts and twisting their words. No one has been able to anser your question yet, because they don't know, but have stated that it's more an administrative thing than a legal thing. Who got upset?

Just a sample. Most were in the middle of the night though.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68757839&postcount=251
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68757846&postcount=253
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68757845&postcount=252
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68757554&postcount=202
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68757638&postcount=210
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68757661&postcount=212

gurramok

Richard wrote: »

Some people, faced with death find God. You may do, you may not. But such a traumatic experience does affect peoples views on religion from time to time.

At least you tried to answer that question, the poster who posted that view never answered it.

take everything

XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »

I see no athiest-bashing?

I'm gonna delete my post and read the thread properly.

alwaysadub

gurramok wrote: »

Just a sample. Most were in the middle of the night though.

http://m.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68757839&postcount=251
http://m.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68757846&postcount=253
http://m.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68757845&postcount=252
http://m.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68757554&postcount=202
http://m.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68757638&postcount=210
http://m.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68757661&postcount=212

Hold on there a fcuking minute.
Where did anybody in them posts point out whether they had a religion or not for a start?
No body "threw a wobbler" either. It's not our fault you can't get a simple answer into your head.

And you asked me about the legal issue again and again, no matter how many times i told you i knew nothing about the legality of things. I notice you never brought it over to the Legal Issues forum for an actual answer..yet here you are still bleating on about it.

mikemac

gurramok wrote: »

At least you tried to answer that question, the poster who posted that view never answered it.

I think that was me. And realy it so blinding obvious why did you need an answer to it?

You've never heard of finding God on your deathbed
Or that there are no atheists in foxholes
Or convicted prisoners on deathrow finding religion

Surprising

gurramok wrote: »

Just a sample. Most were in the middle of the night though.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68757839&postcount=251
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68757846&postcount=253
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68757845&postcount=252
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68757554&postcount=202
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68757638&postcount=210
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68757661&postcount=212

You've put a lot of effort into this thread
Have you contacted hospital management yet? They work weekends you know

gurramok

alwaysadub wrote: »

Hold on there a fcuking minute.
Where did anybody in them posts point out whether they had a religion or not for a start?
No body "threw a wobbler" either. It's not our fault you can't get a simple answer into your head.

And you asked me about the legal issue again and again, no matter how many times i told you i knew nothing about the legality of things. I notice you never brought it over to the Legal Issues forum for an actual answer..yet here you are still bleating on about it.

Why the need for the following?
"why not fcuk off to the atheist forum and do us all a favour". Clearly you have a problem with atheism as you never mentioned any other forum as you well know that forum is for atheists, Why didn't you mention the Christianity forum instead?

There were posters who kept quoting their religious experience and it just so happens these ones threw a wobbler.

gurramok

feelingstressed wrote: »

I think that was me. And realy it so blinding obvious why did you need an answer to it?

You've never heard of finding God on your deathbed
Or that there are no atheists in foxholes
Or convicted prisoners on deathrow finding religion

Surprising

Why do you keep saying they find religion on their deathbed? Can they not find anything else?

feelingstressed wrote: »

You've put a lot of effort into this thread
Have you contacted hospital management yet? They work weekends you know

They're busy saving lives, no need for religious involvement in saving those lives.

alwaysadub

gurramok wrote: »

Why the need for the following?
"why not fcuk off to the atheist forum and do us all a favour". Clearly you have a problem with atheism as you never mentioned any other forum as you well know that forum is for atheists, Why didn't you mention the Christianity forum instead?

There were posters who kept quoting their religious experience and it just so happens these ones threw a wobbler.

Way to half quote someone there!
Why would i send an atheist to the christianity forum?!

"Clearly i have a problem with atheistm, as i never mentioned any other forum, as i know well that forum is for atheists"
How knowing that an atheist forum is for atheists means that i've a problem with it, is beyond me.

Show me where i said i'd a problem with atheists?


I can't believe this thread is still here actually-20 pages of the same arguement going round in circles.

gurramok

alwaysadub wrote: »

Way to half quote someone there!
Why would i send an atheist to the christianity forum?!

"Clearly i have a problem with atheistm, as i never mentioned any other forum, as i know well that forum is for atheists"
How knowing that an atheist forum is for atheists means that i've a problem with it, is beyond me.

Show me where i said i'd a problem with atheists?

I can't believe this thread is still here actually-20 pages of the same arguement going round in circles.

Its 8 pages on my screen. Ain't my fault its that long.

You told me to feck off to the Athiest forum and with the subject in hand which you so passionately care about, its obvious the problem you had was with athiests.

We're talking about religion so why did you not say a religious forum instead?

mikemac

gurramok wrote: »

They're busy saving lives, no need for religious involvement in saving those lives.

Seriously, you started the thread last Friday and you still haven't call the hospital and asked for a manager or an administrator?
When I see an issue I look for the person who can solve it.

And it isn't boards.ie
A discussion here is great. But you've rejected 19 pages of posts.

You know what you want so write a letter or call them

And hospital management are in an office, they are not busy saving lives.

gurramok

feelingstressed wrote: »

Seriously, you started the thread last Friday and you still haven't call the hospital and asked for a manager or an administrator?
When I see an issue I look for the person who can solve it.

And it isn't boards.ie
A discussion here is great. But you've rejected 19 pages of posts.

You know what you want so write a letter or call them

And hospital management are in an office, they are not busy saving lives.

It ain't 19 pages and not all posts were objective.

They have to register people who are queuing to get in for treatment hence are busy.