I was asked for my religion today..

Sardonicat

gurramok wrote: »

So you base it on records, a dentist should care as after all they use a drill against my head. That can be fatal :eek:

That post explains a great deal.

gurramok

starbelgrade wrote: »

Holy crap... I feel like drilling a hole in your head now... you stubborn git!!!

XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »

Should something happen they would send you to a hospital

I wouldn't be able to speak?!:)

Victor

gurramok wrote: »

Are you taking the mick?

I was in to get a nonlife threatening examination and there was no need to ask my religion unless the doctors planned to kill me! :mad:

Hospitals keep files on people and its best to keep a single file, not a new file for each complaint / procedure. Who knows, the next time you are admitted, maybe it will be life threatening.

XxMCRxBabyxX

gurramok wrote: »

I wouldn't be able to speak?!:)

And they would already have your religion on your records considering you've just told the fracture clinic. :P

And if they didn't you would be considered an emergency patient and either try contact a family member to fill in the forms for you or try care for you and get you to fill in the forms later

Sardonicat

gurramok wrote: »

I wouldn't be able to speak?!:)

Unconscious /dead people generally have difficulty communicating. Were you not aware of that?

bronte

starbelgrade wrote: »

That sounds like hell to me... full of hippies, crusties & hipsters.

Ah...this Glastonbury is "golden pass" Glastonbury.
You don't get any of that shite there...and it has actual toilets.

lmaopml

robinph wrote: »

If they don't want treating then get out of the hospital.

Is the hospital only for 'special' people with a specific ideology? I'm by no means J.W. love modern science and advancements in medical science, but it doesn't come at a 'cost' of signing away the patients whole person, and saying fcuk that they're in 'hospital' now I own them..

That's the idea of signing the damn form and the docs nurses etc. knowing exactly how to deal with said patient, if it becomes life or death it moves to another level, but it's just a 'form' when you are admitted no?

slimjimmc

gurramok wrote: »

Why ask it only in a hospital on a non-life threatening examination?

Why not ask it in a dentist?

Dentists don't have chaplains, hospitals do, so it's standard procedure for them.

Ghost Estate

I'm part vegetarian!

gurramok

Victor wrote: »

Hospitals keep files on people and its best to keep a single file, not a new file for each complaint / procedure. Who knows, the next time you are admitted, maybe it will be life threatening.

Eh, you saying something here?!

XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »

And they would already have your religion on your records considering you've just told the fracture clinic. :P

And if they didn't you would be considered an emergency patient and either try contact a family member to fill in the forms for you or try care for you and get you to fill in the forms later

It was a non-life threatening procedure!

Sardonicat wrote: »

Unconscious /dead people generally have difficulty communicating. Were you not aware of that?

No.

slimjimmc wrote: »

Dentists don't have chaplains, hospitals do, so it's standard procedure for them.

Why don't dentist have chaplains, drilling into someone's head is freakily scary!

Misanthrope

next time you're asked ,make up a bizarre religion and explain it in depth to them.Make them sorry for asking

Ghost Estate

gurramok wrote: »

It was a non-life threatening procedure!

In Soviet Russia, life threatens you!

lmaopml

gurramok wrote: »

Eh, you saying something here?!



It was a non-life threatening procedure!



No.



Why don't dentist have chaplains, drilling into someone's head is freakily scary!

Be scared, be very scared mwah ha ha...

..just sign the damn form!


lol..

Sardonicat

gurramok, if your dentist is drilling into your head instead of your teeth it explains why you seem incapable of understanding why a hospital would ask what your religious beliefs are for future reference. Are you sure your dentist didn't ask you what religion you are, maybe s/he hates atheists, or is a boardsie, maybe?

gurramok

Sardonicat wrote: »

gurramok, if your dentist is drilling into your head instead of your teeth it explains why you seem incapable of understanding why a hospital would ask what your religious beliefs are for future reference. Are you sure your dentist didn't ask you what religion you are, maybe s/he hates atheists, or is a boardsie, maybe?

Hey, i ain't gonna suffer extreme pain for no reason?!

If a dentist who drills into my head never asks me my last rites, what hope is there?!

Tin Foil Hat

orourkeda wrote: »

People may object to certain treatments on religous grounds so on that basis the hospital may ask in order to know how best to proceed.

"How best to proceed" is a medical consideration, not a religious one.
I have no major objection to this question being asked of a adult (Adults who jeopardise their health on religious grounds being potential recipients of a Darwin Award).
However, I know from experience that this question is also asked of parents on behalf of their kids. It is disturbing that the health of children is put at risk because of the superstitious beliefs of their parents.

drkpower

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

It is disturbing that the health of children is put at risk because of the superstitious beliefs of their parents.

It isnt. In life saving/health-preserving situations, doctors are entitled & obliged to over-ride a parents wishes.

Sardonicat

Gurramock, when you wake up tomorow, go and make another dental appointment. Their is obviously some more drilling to be done.:rolleyes:

gurramok

Sardonicat wrote: »

Gurramock, when you wake up tomorow, go and make another dental appointment. Their is obviously some more drilling to be done.:rolleyes:

Huh?

My head is fine thanks :P

Tin Foil Hat

drkpower wrote: »

It isnt. In life saving/health-preserving situations, doctors are entitled & obliged to over-ride a parents wishes.

In recent years doctors have had to go to court to get permission to give certain medical procedures (bloods transfusions/transplants) to children of Jehovahs Witnesses.

meditraitor

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

I recent years doctors have had to go to court to get permission certain medical procedures (bloods transfusions/transplants) to children of Jehovahs Witnesses.

Jehovah jehovah jehovah

Ghost Estate

meditraitor wrote: »

Jehovah jehovah jehovah

atheist is the new jehovah

lmaopml

drkpower wrote: »

It isnt. In life saving/health-preserving situations, doctors are entitled & obliged to over-ride a parents wishes.

It's defo nice if they know what the patients wishes might be if they sign the form though?

That's what the thread is about afterall....


Are you for or against the dreaded, 'form'?

drkpower

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

In recent years doctors have had to go to court to get permission to give certain medical procedures (bloods transfusions/transplants) to children of Jehovahs Witnesses.

Yes; because, given the time and the opportunity to go to court, that is the best option for everyone. But it doesnt change the fact that a doctor is entitled to override parental wishes in such a situation.

Tin Foil Hat

drkpower wrote: »

It isnt. In life saving/health-preserving situations, doctors are entitled & obliged to over-ride a parents wishes.

Anyway, so, why bother asking in the first place?

Sardonicat

lmaopml wrote: »

It's defo nice if they know what the patients wishes might be if they sign the form though?

That's what the thread is about afterall....


Are you for or against the dreaded, 'form'?

That really is all it is for. About respecting people's wishes and avoiding
embarrassment or offense (e.g. protestants being offered communion).No one is expected to state RC and no one is bothered if the answer is agnostic/atheist.

meditraitor

Ghost Estate wrote: »

atheist is the new jehovah

[spit/] athiests[/spit] are ok man, dont bad mouth them lads.........

drkpower

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

Anyway, so, why bother asking in the first place?

Asking what? Their religon? For the reasons given already, last rites/spiritual needs etc.

Whether they will accept a blood transfusion etc? Because a parents views should always be sought and their consent should always be sought. But in certain serious circumstances, parental refusal can be overriden.

meditraitor

drkpower wrote: »

Asking what? Their religon? For the reasons given already, last rites/spiritual needs etc.

Whether they will accept a blood transfusion etc? Because a parents views should always be sought and their consent should always be sought. But in certain serious circumstances, parental refusal can be overriden.

I could be wrong but I think that is legislation has been passed already and rightly so!

drkpower

meditraitor wrote: »

I could be wrong but I think that is legislation has been passed already and rightly so!

No legislation yet sadly. All based on case law. Bear in mind that parents can legaly refuse treatment for their children for many many other non-life threatening/serious health threatening conditions/reasons, for religous or other reasons.

XxMCRxBabyxX

gurramok wrote: »

It was a non-life threatening procedure!

A fatal drill to someone's head is now non-life threatening? make up your mind!

meditraitor

drkpower wrote: »

No legislation yet sadly. All based on case law. Bear in mind that parents can legaly refuse treatment for their children for many many other non-life threatening/serious health threatening conditions/reasons, for religous or other reasons.

Was there not a recent case were Jehovah witness parents where over ruled in their refusal to administer proper healthcare because of beliefs?

Is the High court ruling not a president that allows common sense administration of said healthcare?

Sardonicat

drkpower wrote: »

No legislation yet sadly. All based on case law. Bear in mind that parents can legaly refuse treatment for their children for many many other non-life threatening/serious health threatening conditions/reasons, for religous or other reasons.

Are you saying that a parent has the right to refuse something like pain relief, for example? Would that happen frequently?

gurramok

XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »

A fatal drill to someone's head is now non-life threatening? make up your mind!

It was near fatal

Imagine a drill to your head?

drkpower

meditraitor wrote: »

Was there not a recent case were Jehovah witness parents where over ruled in their refusal to administer proper healthcare because of beliefs?

Is the High court ruling not a president that allows common sense administration of said healthcare?

Yes, but thats case law rather than legislation

nomdeboardie

I was similarly annoyed by this question a long time ago in the A&E of a UK hospital with a minor injury. I said that I didn’t want to state a religion, so the nurse said she would write “no religion”. I can’t remember if I argued that this was not the same thing, and to just to leave it blank or write what I actually said. Surely the best solution would be to simply ask the patient whether they wanted to state a religion.

XxMCRxBabyxX

gurramok wrote: »

It was near fatal

Imagine a drill to your head?

You just said it wasn't!

irishmotorist

gurramok wrote: »

Now, what frigging relevance is my religion in order to get treatment in a hospital?

You clown. You're in a hospital cos there's something wrong enough with you to cause you to be in a hospital. MANY people have different religious beliefs that might mean different approaches.

If you don't like being asked potentially pertinent questions, would you deny them your blood type, sex, age, recent ingestions?

gurramok

XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »

You just said it wasn't!

Where?!

gurramok

irishmotorist wrote: »

You clown. You're in a hospital cos there's something wrong enough with you to cause you to be in a hospital. MANY people have different religious beliefs that might mean different approaches.

If you don't like being asked potentially pertinent questions, would you deny them your blood type, sex, age, recent ingestions?

How am i a clown? Do I have a painted face?

How does blood type, sex, age, recent ingestions, relate to religion?

Sardonicat

gurramok wrote: »

It was near fatal

Imagine a drill to your head?

I'm imagining a drill to your head,

dvpower

nomdeboardie wrote: »

I was similarly annoyed by this question a long time ago in the A&E of a UK hospital with a minor injury. I said that I didn’t want to state a religion, so the nurse said she would write “no religion”. I can’t remember if I argued that this was not the same thing, and to just to leave it blank or write what I actually said. Surely the best solution would be to simply ask the patient whether they wanted to state a religion.

Has anyone got to the bottom of why they ask the question in the first place (wasn't that what the thread was about)?
Is it for statistical reasons (why?) or clinical reasons (bigger why?)?

meditraitor

drkpower wrote: »

Yes, but thats case law rather than legislation

Is case law effective in prosecution?

gurramok

Sardonicat wrote: »

I'm imagining a drill to your head,

Why, thats cruel ? :P

XxMCRxBabyxX

gurramok wrote: »

Eh, you saying something here?!



It was a non-life threatening procedure!



No.



Why don't dentist have chaplains, drilling into someone's head is freakily scary!

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68756288&postcount=111

there

XxMCRxBabyxX

dvpower wrote: »

Has anyone got to the bottom of why they ask the question in the first place (wasn't that what the thread was about)?
Is it for statistical reasons (why?) or clinical reasons (bigger why?)?

Anwered numerous times. In case you need someone to administer last rites

drkpower

meditraitor wrote: »

Is case law effective in prosecution?

Yes; although you could say it is a little less certain than legislation.

Sardonicat

gurramok wrote: »

How am i a clown? Do I have a painted face?

How does blood type, sex, age, recent ingestions, relate to religion?

Depending on your religion, your age and gender could relate to your religion.

It has been explained multiple times to you why this question is asked. You seem to take great offense at the idea that a hospital would try to respect your personal beliefs, whatever they are.

It seems that you are dissapointed that the staff do not recoil in horror and shock when you state you are an atheist.

gurramok

XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68756288&postcount=111

there

"It was a non-life threatening procedure!". What part of that do you not understand?

News to you that not all procedures/checkups in hospitals are life threatening, did you know that?

XxMCRxBabyxX

gurramok wrote: »

"It was a non-life threatening procedure!". What part of that do you not understand?

News to you that not all procedures/checkups in hospitals are life threatening, did you know that?

The fact that I was clearly referring to the drill to your head that you mentioned and that I was replying to?

Considering I am in hospital constantly have checkups to make sure I don't get a recurrence of cancer, yes I knew that quite well thanks.