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I was asked for my religion today..

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    #122
    meditraitor
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    Tin Foil Hat wrote: »
    I recent years doctors have had to go to court to get permission certain medical procedures (bloods transfusions/transplants) to children of Jehovahs Witnesses.


    Jehovah jehovah jehovah


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    #123
    Ghost Estate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭Ghost Estate


    meditraitor wrote: »
    Jehovah jehovah jehovah

    atheist is the new jehovah


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    #124
    lmaopml
    Registered Users Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭lmaopml


    drkpower wrote: »
    It isnt. In life saving/health-preserving situations, doctors are entitled & obliged to over-ride a parents wishes.

    It's defo nice if they know what the patients wishes might be if they sign the form though?

    That's what the thread is about afterall....


    Are you for or against the dreaded, 'form'?


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    #125
    drkpower
    Registered Users Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Tin Foil Hat wrote: »
    In recent years doctors have had to go to court to get permission to give certain medical procedures (bloods transfusions/transplants) to children of Jehovahs Witnesses.

    Yes; because, given the time and the opportunity to go to court, that is the best option for everyone. But it doesnt change the fact that a doctor is entitled to override parental wishes in such a situation.


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    #126
    Tin Foil Hat
    Registered Users Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭Tin Foil Hat


    drkpower wrote: »
    It isnt. In life saving/health-preserving situations, doctors are entitled & obliged to over-ride a parents wishes.

    Anyway, so, why bother asking in the first place?


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    #127
    Sardonicat
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    lmaopml wrote: »
    It's defo nice if they know what the patients wishes might be if they sign the form though?

    That's what the thread is about afterall....


    Are you for or against the dreaded, 'form'?
    That really is all it is for. About respecting people's wishes and avoiding
    embarrassment or offense (e.g. protestants being offered communion).No one is expected to state RC and no one is bothered if the answer is agnostic/atheist.


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    #128
    meditraitor
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    Ghost Estate wrote: »
    atheist is the new jehovah



    [spit/] athiests[/spit] are ok man, dont bad mouth them lads.........


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    #129
    drkpower
    Registered Users Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Tin Foil Hat wrote: »
    Anyway, so, why bother asking in the first place?

    Asking what? Their religon? For the reasons given already, last rites/spiritual needs etc.

    Whether they will accept a blood transfusion etc? Because a parents views should always be sought and their consent should always be sought. But in certain serious circumstances, parental refusal can be overriden.


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    #130
    meditraitor
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    drkpower wrote: »
    Asking what? Their religon? For the reasons given already, last rites/spiritual needs etc.

    Whether they will accept a blood transfusion etc? Because a parents views should always be sought and their consent should always be sought. But in certain serious circumstances, parental refusal can be overriden.

    I could be wrong but I think that is legislation has been passed already and rightly so!


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    #131
    drkpower
    Registered Users Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    meditraitor wrote: »
    I could be wrong but I think that is legislation has been passed already and rightly so!

    No legislation yet sadly. All based on case law. Bear in mind that parents can legaly refuse treatment for their children for many many other non-life threatening/serious health threatening conditions/reasons, for religous or other reasons.


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    #132
    XxMCRxBabyxX
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    gurramok wrote: »
    It was a non-life threatening procedure!

    A fatal drill to someone's head is now non-life threatening? make up your mind!


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    #133
    meditraitor
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    drkpower wrote: »
    No legislation yet sadly. All based on case law. Bear in mind that parents can legaly refuse treatment for their children for many many other non-life threatening/serious health threatening conditions/reasons, for religous or other reasons.

    Was there not a recent case were Jehovah witness parents where over ruled in their refusal to administer proper healthcare because of beliefs?

    Is the High court ruling not a president that allows common sense administration of said healthcare?


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    #134
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    drkpower wrote: »
    No legislation yet sadly. All based on case law. Bear in mind that parents can legaly refuse treatment for their children for many many other non-life threatening/serious health threatening conditions/reasons, for religous or other reasons.
    Are you saying that a parent has the right to refuse something like pain relief, for example? Would that happen frequently?


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    #135
    gurramok
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    XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »
    A fatal drill to someone's head is now non-life threatening? make up your mind!

    It was near fatal

    Imagine a drill to your head? :);)


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    #136
    drkpower
    Registered Users Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    meditraitor wrote: »
    Was there not a recent case were Jehovah witness parents where over ruled in their refusal to administer proper healthcare because of beliefs?

    Is the High court ruling not a president that allows common sense administration of said healthcare?

    Yes, but thats case law rather than legislation


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    #137
    nomdeboardie
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    I was similarly annoyed by this question a long time ago in the A&E of a UK hospital with a minor injury. I said that I didn’t want to state a religion, so the nurse said she would write “no religion”. I can’t remember if I argued that this was not the same thing, and to just to leave it blank or write what I actually said. Surely the best solution would be to simply ask the patient whether they wanted to state a religion.


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    #138
    XxMCRxBabyxX
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    gurramok wrote: »
    It was near fatal

    Imagine a drill to your head? :);)

    You just said it wasn't!


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    #139
    irishmotorist
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    gurramok wrote: »

    Now, what frigging relevance is my religion in order to get treatment in a hospital?

    You clown. You're in a hospital cos there's something wrong enough with you to cause you to be in a hospital. MANY people have different religious beliefs that might mean different approaches.

    If you don't like being asked potentially pertinent questions, would you deny them your blood type, sex, age, recent ingestions?


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    #140
    gurramok
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    XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »
    You just said it wasn't!

    Where?!


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    #141
    gurramok
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    irishmotorist wrote: »
    You clown. You're in a hospital cos there's something wrong enough with you to cause you to be in a hospital. MANY people have different religious beliefs that might mean different approaches.

    If you don't like being asked potentially pertinent questions, would you deny them your blood type, sex, age, recent ingestions?

    How am i a clown? Do I have a painted face?:confused:

    How does blood type, sex, age, recent ingestions, relate to religion?


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    #142
    Sardonicat
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    gurramok wrote: »
    It was near fatal

    Imagine a drill to your head? :);)
    I'm imagining a drill to your head, ;)


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    #143
    dvpower
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    nomdeboardie wrote: »
    I was similarly annoyed by this question a long time ago in the A&E of a UK hospital with a minor injury. I said that I didn’t want to state a religion, so the nurse said she would write “no religion”. I can’t remember if I argued that this was not the same thing, and to just to leave it blank or write what I actually said. Surely the best solution would be to simply ask the patient whether they wanted to state a religion.

    Has anyone got to the bottom of why they ask the question in the first place (wasn't that what the thread was about)?
    Is it for statistical reasons (why?) or clinical reasons (bigger why?)?


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    #144
    meditraitor
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    drkpower wrote: »
    Yes, but thats case law rather than legislation

    Is case law effective in prosecution?


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    #145
    gurramok
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    Sardonicat wrote: »
    I'm imagining a drill to your head, ;)

    Why, thats cruel ? :P


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    #146
    XxMCRxBabyxX
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    gurramok wrote: »
    Eh, you saying something here?!



    It was a non-life threatening procedure!



    No.



    Why don't dentist have chaplains, drilling into someone's head is freakily scary!

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68756288&postcount=111

    there


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    #147
    XxMCRxBabyxX
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    dvpower wrote: »
    Has anyone got to the bottom of why they ask the question in the first place (wasn't that what the thread was about)?
    Is it for statistical reasons (why?) or clinical reasons (bigger why?)?

    Anwered numerous times. In case you need someone to administer last rites


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    #148
    drkpower
    Registered Users Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    meditraitor wrote: »
    Is case law effective in prosecution?
    Yes; although you could say it is a little less certain than legislation.


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    #149
    Sardonicat
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    gurramok wrote: »
    How am i a clown? Do I have a painted face?:confused:

    How does blood type, sex, age, recent ingestions, relate to religion?
    Depending on your religion, your age and gender could relate to your religion.

    It has been explained multiple times to you why this question is asked. You seem to take great offense at the idea that a hospital would try to respect your personal beliefs, whatever they are.

    It seems that you are dissapointed that the staff do not recoil in horror and shock when you state you are an atheist.


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    #150
    gurramok
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    XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68756288&postcount=111

    there

    "It was a non-life threatening procedure!". What part of that do you not understand?

    News to you that not all procedures/checkups in hospitals are life threatening, did you know that?


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    #151
    XxMCRxBabyxX
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    gurramok wrote: »
    "It was a non-life threatening procedure!". What part of that do you not understand?

    News to you that not all procedures/checkups in hospitals are life threatening, did you know that?

    The fact that I was clearly referring to the drill to your head that you mentioned and that I was replying to?

    Considering I am in hospital constantly have checkups to make sure I don't get a recurrence of cancer, yes I knew that quite well thanks.


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