Treyarch 'gimping' quick scoping...

Magill

CORaven wrote: »

True, it is a lot harder, but it is doable.
Re Youtube vid: Last stand if unlucky, more likely using tier 2 perk other than SP

Its doable... really... so is a handgun only class. Doesnt make it a good class.

There are tons of videos on youtube of upperbody hitmarkers, i have a ****ton on my vids.

Teamwork. If someone is in trouble, you help them. Constant communication will give you information on where to look and who to shoot. I am taking S&D as a primary example where this tactic is used best as you save a team mate and eliminate a threat in one fair shot. Of the fifteen maps on disc, I can think of 6/7 maps that described snipers can be useful and productive and a good few of the DLC maps.

Ofc they can be productive.. but certainly not with your "STEALTHY" playstyle, there's just not enough open spaces, meaning you'll always be in the same spots. Take afgan for example, most of the time you'll find 3 or 4 snipers all on that cliff, or a few in the bunkers... its very predictable.

I must add that I love the ARs and SMGs and I only use the sniper in two/three maps. The only reason I use is it is for it's scope's range and the higher control on ammo. True, you may not need a scope if you have an insane HD tv, but it's nice to have.



It works. The main reason I want to buy a PVR is to show how this class can be effective. Yes, it is mainly S&D, but it wins more matches than loses them. Plus, it can be fun to use.

The main reason i said your class is laughable is the fact that you had a siliencer and coldblooded on, and with those semi auto snipers... what 3 shot kills ?? I really doubt that your winning SnD matches because of your class

Slicence

I don't get it, it takes skill to quickscope, but for n00btubing it doesn't! Why don't they ban n00btubing!?
Hutch, Seananners and Sark talk about Quickscoping: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJG0hrut7Bo&feature=sub

Goat_Boy_jones

Thumpers -"Noobtubes"- Grenade launchers will be disabled for the first 10 seconds of each match, this will cut out spawn rape....

Twirling around in the air like a fairy with a sniper riffle just looks stupid and silly...

Game will be much better off with out it and will get rid of a lot of kill cam glory hunters...

Win Win Win

Paparazzo

Slicence wrote: »

I don't get it, it takes skill to quickscope, but for n00btubing it doesn't! Why don't they ban n00btubing!?
Hutch, Seananners and Sark talk about Quickscoping: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJG0hrut7Bo&feature=sub

They're making it harder. Scavenger doesn't replace noobtube grenades and the grenade launcher is the most expensive gun attachment.

BTW, "gimping"

senordingdong

Paparazzo wrote: »

They're making it harder. Scavenger doesn't replace noobtube grenades and the grenade launcher is the most expensive gun attachment.

BTW, "gimping"

Hahaha, whereas Activision had it has the first unlock for ARs.

Kersmash

Activison are the publisher, they didn't make it that way, Infinity Ward did!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2T5RBeViXk

I agree with Kyle, I actually like the fact that they've slowed down the ADS time, but the fact that they're purposly trying to nerf it with the cross hair is a bit ridiculous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WayEWbg2dcU

War Machine 539

Honestly everyone who is whinging about it . . . . . . I couldnt be happier for you. I use Snipers and I always hardscope. I can quickscope, before the ''Just cos you cant do it'' Arguement gets thrown at me. Its ridiculous, the idea of the game is for you to be in control. YOU find a target. YOU aim down the sights, You pull the trigger. Letting the game aim for you is like . . . . . . Letting someone else thrust for you while having sex. Not really as fun. So to all you guys, who probably cant hit a target yourself, I cant wait to play you, because my Job just got easier! :P

Big Baby Jaysus

quickscopers don't bother me, its the snipers who camp miles away that are the problem!

Mr. Manager

Big Baby Jaysus wrote: »

quickscopers don't bother me, its the snipers who camp miles away that are the problem!

Why? Because they use a sniper rifle for it's actual purpose??

War Machine 539

I know what you mean . . . . . cos snipers are the first people they send in when going to war. AK versus a Barrett. Up close seems a tad unfair dont it?

KsW

I think its a load of bullsh!t taking out quickscoping. This was the best thing in MW2 and taking it out is ridiculous. Quickscoping is in no way overpowered and Treyarch should be concentrating on balancing the other aspects of the game.
To the people talking about how unrealistic it is what about having no falling damage,unlimited sprint,the ability to get ammo for your gun from an enemy with a different gun,being able to see enemy equipment and being able to fall to the ground with a pistol after taking enough damage to kill you?

Also,its stupid that this is considered overpowered when there are guns like the UMP(MW2),MP40(WaW) and the M16(COD4)!!!!
/rant

Cossax

Good on them, snipers running around at the same speed as those carrying SMGs, with help from auto-aim and ridiculous ADS times is just as much a broken mechanic as M/L/C is.

The main arguments for not taking it out is 'but there are other broken game mechanics!' and 'you only hate it cos you don't do it!', neither of which holds much water with me.

Firstly, quickscoping isn't the only issue that Treyarch are dealing with.

Secondly, I don't think it takes any more skill to do successfully than running M/L/C with a tac knife does. Quickscoping is mostly about timing while M/L/Cing is about map knowledge and working out where the opposition are and where they're heading. In fact, apart from ONLYUSEmeBLADE, I can't think of (m)any regular knifing videos (and he doesn't even use L/C!

Cossax

Cossax wrote: »

Good on them, snipers running around at the same speed as those carrying SMGs, with help from auto-aim and ridiculous ADS times is just as much a broken mechanic as M/L/C is.

The main arguments for not taking it out is 'but there are other broken game mechanics!' and 'you only hate it cos you don't do it!', neither of which holds much water with me.

Firstly, quickscoping isn't the only issue that Treyarch are dealing with.

Secondly, I don't think it takes any more skill to do successfully than running M/L/C with a tac knife does. Quickscoping is mostly about timing while M/L/Cing is about map knowledge and working out where the opposition are and where they're heading. In fact, apart from ONLYUSEmeBLADE, I can't think of (m)any regular knifing videos (and he doesn't even use L/C!

In response to the first part of your comment how is it realistic for an SMG to have a sniper-accurate shot over 200 yards with no recoil because that's in MW2 because it's a game, not real life!

Snipers are the only gun in the game that take actual skill to use, every person who quickscopes would probably get higher scores using ARs and SMGs, there's nothing to suggest they wouldn't. What Treyarch are doing is giving people more motivation to use ARs and SMGs which inevitably leads to more campers

Big Baby Jaysus

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

Why? Because they use a sniper rifle for it's actual purpose??

Because they sit there like a little bitch killing people from a distance. Camping as some might say!

Mr. Manager

Big Baby Jaysus wrote: »

Because they sit there like a little bitch killing people from a distance. Camping as some might say!

Sniping as others might say :rolleyes:

Liam O

How do you figure people using ARs and SMGs will be camping?

Shammy

Liam O wrote: »

Snipers are the only gun in the game that take actual skill to use

Its mw2 probably the most noob friendly game ever, it takes little skill to use any gun.

Liam O wrote: »

, every person who quickscopes would probably get higher scores using ARs and SMGs, there's nothing to suggest they wouldn't

A snipers purpose in the game is to provide cover over a large area.Also for every person that can quick scope consistantly and get a high score every game there are 1,000 little wannabes that try and fail . I 've no problem with quick-scopers when they are on the other team its the ones on my team that p!ss me off especially in tdm when they go 8 and 20 , then when you look at there bio it reads " if you hard scope your a noob".
Its those little dopes that have ruined it.

Liam O wrote: »

. What Treyarch are doing is giving people more motivation to use ARs and SMGs which inevitably leads to more campers

I think what treyarch are doing is bringing skill back to using a sniper rifle.

Mr. Manager

+1

Is there a multiple thanks button like the multiple quote feature?

Well spoken Shammy.

War Machine 539

The more bitching I hear, the more I smile. Know when you bitch and I read it, you are being laughed at. If you wish to post home addresses so I can come to your house and laugh in your face, dont hesitate, cos this is hilarious!

wandatowell

Surely with the pace of COD to use actual sniping techniques it would make the game virtually unplayable.

Magill

Shammy wrote: »

Its mw2 probably the most noob friendly game ever, it takes little skill to use any gun.

Meh, i donno about that really, i mean skill is all relative, something seperates the men from the boys, or else everyone would be running around like me and you wrecking public games Even with aim-assist, there are still quite large differences between a good players aim and a ****e players aim. I guess the main difference between good and bad players would just be general gamesense tho.

A snipers purpose in the game is to provide cover over a large area.Also for every person that can quick scope consistantly and get a high score every game there are 1,000 little wannabes that try and fail . I 've no problem with quick-scopers when they are on the other team its the ones on my team that p!ss me off especially in tdm when they go 8 and 20 , then when you look at there bio it reads " if you hard scope your a noob".
Its those little dopes that have ruined it.

In real life, i would agree. But the maps in cod are so small and compact that its just not possible for snipers to do that.

I agree that the wannabes can be anoying... but sure if it wasn't sniping it would be something else... ****... half of them would probably be noobtubing.. i know which i would prefer.... and trust me, if you couldn't quickscope in MW2 the noobtubing would be twice as bad as it is now.

I think what treyarch are doing is bringing skill back to using a sniper rifle.

Maybe.. but are they doing the same with SMG's and AR... not exactly balanced is it

Shammy

Magill wrote: »

Meh, i donno about that really, i mean skill is all relative, something seperates the men from the boys, or else everyone would be running around like me and you wrecking public games Even with aim-assist, there are still quite large differences between a good players aim and a ****e players aim. I guess the main difference between good and bad players would just be general gamesense tho.

Yup , i remember i could consistantly come top of the table in cod4 , jump into a dom/headquarters game and turn it around, where as in mw2 i cant, maybe its just me getting bad at the game Common sense has an awful lot to do when playing this game sometimes more so than skill.

Magill wrote: »

In real life, i would agree. But the maps in cod are so small and compact that its just not possible for snipers to do that.

Not really , i think they are a lot smaller than the cod4 maps, and on cod 4 if you had 2 good snipers in your party it was they who controlled the map.I think because sniping is so much easier on mw2 snipers dont play the role that they could play .What a sniper is supposed to do is forgotten because of the volume of people wanting to quick-scope.

Magill wrote: »

I agree that the wannabes can be anoying... but sure if it wasn't sniping it would be something else... ****... half of them would probably be noobtubing.. i know which i would prefer.... and trust me, if you couldn't quickscope in MW2 the noobtubing would be twice as bad as it is now.

Yeah maybe but at least if the sh!t c*nts were tubing they would get more kills or not go as badly negitive:D

Magill wrote: »

Maybe.. but are they doing the same with SMG's and AR... not exactly balanced is it

Dont get me wrong next month there will be a sh!tload of complaints about something or other, thats what happens when you have too many perks, too many loadouts.

Magill

Shammy wrote: »

Not really , i think they are a lot smaller than the cod4 maps, and on cod 4 if you had 2 good snipers in your party it was they who controlled the map.I think because sniping is so much easier on mw2 snipers dont play the role that they could play .What a sniper is supposed to do is forgotten because of the volume of people wanting to quick-scope.

I dont get how people think its "Much easier" tho, AR's and SMG's are alot more powerful than in cod4 (At least with little experience i have with the game). The only thing thats changed is you can zoom faster and they are in general alot weaker (Unless you use stopping power). I mean i've played ALOT of GB games, surely if they're so easy to use and overpowered then most teams would have at least one sniper... i've only ever come across some1 sniping in GB once or twice and they were awful teams. Whereas in competitive cod4, every team has one sniper. I just dont buy the whole "Sniping is so easy" thinking that alot of people on boards seem to have.

Yeah maybe but at least if the sh!t c*nts were tubing they would get more kills or not go as badly negitive:D.

But then you would have more noobtubers on the other team too !!! IT WOULD BE CHAOS !

dont get me wrong next month there will be a sh!tload of complaints about something or other, thats what happens when you have too many perks, too many loadouts.

I think thats it, the more **** you add to the game, the harder it is to balance. They might add 2 or 3 really good things, but theres no doubt they'll add some really ****ty things too Second chance springs to mind !

Shammy

Magill wrote: »

I dont get how people think its "Much easier" tho, AR's and SMG's are alot more powerful than in cod4 (At least with little experience i have with the game). The only thing thats changed is you can zoom faster and they are in general alot weaker (Unless you use stopping power). I mean i've played ALOT of GB games, surely if they're so easy to use and overpowered then most teams would have at least one sniper... i've only ever come across some1 sniping in GB once or twice and they were awful teams. Whereas in competitive cod4, every team has one sniper. I just dont buy the whole "Sniping is so easy" thinking that alot of people on boards seem to have.

Ah there not , m16 on cod 4 was unreal , people talk about the ump being over-powered but if you come up against someone in cqc with an mp5 or a vector they have the advantage , in cod 4 the p90 was over-powered , so much so for a lot of comps it was banned , you stick on jugganoob and steady aim and go on a map like shipment or vacant expect to get 100+ kills (for the first map).
Sniping is easier , you have the auto-aim , it may not be as effective but its easier if you know what i mean.

Magill

Shammy wrote: »

Ah there not , m16 on cod 4 was unreal , people talk about the ump being over-powered but if you come up against someone in cqc with an mp5 or a vector they have the advantage , in cod 4 the p90 was over-powered , so much so for a lot of comps it was banned , you stick on jugganoob and steady aim and go on a map like shipment or vacant expect to get 100+ kills (for the first map).
Sniping is easier , you have the auto-aim , it may not be as effective but its easier if you know what i mean.

Your probably right about the m16, i never really played cod4 that much, was too busy playing a real skill based game at the time

I never knew there was no autoaim with snipers on cod4, i'd only played the PC version. I dont get what you mean tho what your saying is its harder to rape people with the sniper on MW2 but its easier for the average joe to get kills with it because aiming isnt as difficult ?


My whole agrument is that sniping in mw2 is far less effective than most other classes (SMG'ers/AR's/LMG's), like hutch said in his video, any good sniper could simply wack on an SMG and will 9/10 times do better, both in terms of kills and objectives. Nerfing sniping by removing quickscoping and adding this random aim bull**** will make them even weaker (Compared to the other guns in the game), i know you could say but they're playing a roll... sitting back and picking off people, but really... you dont need a sniper to do that, the Scar/m16/famas/m4 are all equally as good at long distances imo and have the added bonus of being awesome at close ranges too. Fair enough.. alot of people don't like getting quickscoped, but removing it and not giving anything back in return isnt going to help balance the game.

And this is coming from someone that doesnt snipe that often, i am 100% a rusher so its not like my PoV is biased or anything, its just how i see it when i play the game.... hey... i like free kills

Nuri Sahin

Shammy wrote: »

Ah there not , m16 on cod 4 was unreal , people talk about the ump being over-powered but if you come up against someone in cqc with an mp5 or a vector they have the advantage , in cod 4 the p90 was over-powered , so much so for a lot of comps it was banned , you stick on jugganoob and steady aim and go on a map like shipment or vacant expect to get 100+ kills (for the first map).
Sniping is easier , you have the auto-aim , it may not be as effective but its easier if you know what i mean.

... and yet I'm far better sniping on COD4. It doesn't make any logical sense.

: sadface + facepalm pic:

celtic723

i can quickscope and it's not a skill at all.

The game is far too generous to the people who quickscope.

The amount of killcams i've seen where the crosshairs is about 6 cock lengths away from the guy's head and he's headshotted is unreal.

Good riddens to the gimpscopers!

Cossax

celtic723 wrote: »

i can quickscope and it's not a skill at all.

The game is far too generous to the people who quickscope.

The amount of killcams i've seen where the crosshairs is about 6 cock lengths away from the guy's head and he's headshotted is unreal.

Good riddens to the gimpscopers!

To quote Braveheart - "Some men are bigger than others!"

celtic723

Cossax wrote: »

To quote Braveheart - "Some men age bigger than others!"

I have to say i didn't see that coming. :pac::pac::pac:

Jev/N

KamiKazi wrote: »

:eek:

Seriously? I've never noticed that happening

Happened me before... Had my sights up walking around corners, waited for a sec and the screen moved a few times. Then noticed there was a guy in the bushes in front of me and the auto-aim was reacting