Treyarch 'gimping' quick scoping...

Leeg17

There's a little trick for first blood in Wasteland, if you spawn the side of the statue. Run up to the mounted machine gun, and point it towards the corner , where people will run across having spawned at the helicopter. It'll jerk, and you start firing, I got a triple kill before.

Royal Irish

NooB

There's always been auto-aim and quickscoping in COD, look at COD 2 vids on youtube and you'll see them, they made it easier with SOH pro taking less time to scope in but they made the bullet damage on every other gun higher and at a ridiculous level compared to the 2 previous games so it was only fair if they were going to make sniper bullets weaker than in those 2 games (the amount of hit-markers that you get because of it is ridiculous) then it's only right they give snipers something to work with.

another thing is people seem to be forgetting that auto-aim is on every gun, and they are going to make it so that SOH pro works on every gun except snipers. I just can't see it working if they have a sniper that doesn't do what a sniper is supposed to and accurately zoom in on a location. Knowing game developers they'll probably put it in but realise the day the game comes out they made a mistake and patch it out later whenever they can.

senordingdong

Big Baby Jaysus wrote: »

Because they sit there like a little bitch killing people from a distance. Camping as some might say!

The word you're looking for is sniping.

rolexeagle1

If you wanna quick scope, why not just keep playing MW2, the only people playing it after the 9th will be quickscopers anyway, so you can all quickscope together.

It was a huge flaw in MW2 one the Infintiy Ward never really admitted to or fixed, thank god it wont be in Blops, just proper sniping!!

Magill

srumball wrote: »

If you wanna quick scope, why not just keep playing MW2, the only people playing it after the 9th will be quickscopers anyway, so you can all quickscope together.

It was a huge flaw in MW2 one the Infintiy Ward never really admitted to or fixed, thank god it wont be in Blops, just proper sniping!!

Was it a flaw in every other cod game aswel ?

alot of people seem to think that quickscoping is an exclusive to mw2

r3nu4l

Magill wrote: »

Was it a flaw in every other cod game aswel ?

alot of people seem to think that quickscoping is an exclusive to mw2

Yeah I did see it in COD4, definitely. It wasn't anywhere near as prevalent but it was there. Was it made easier in MW2 or has YouTube just meant it proliferated more quickly?

everlast75

celtic723 wrote: »

i can quickscope and it's not a skill at all.

The game is far too generous to the people who quickscope.

The amount of killcams i've seen where the crosshairs is about 6 cock lengths away from the guy's head and he's headshotted is unreal.

Good riddens to the gimpscopers!

to be honest with you, i'm not enamoured by the use of that as an increment to measure the distance from a bloke's head...:D

Kersmash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMWCSelubbA

Just a vid showing how aim assist works for anyone that was wondering.

Magill

r3nu4l wrote: »

Yeah I did see it in COD4, definitely. It wasn't anywhere near as prevalent but it was there. Was it made easier in MW2 or has YouTube just meant it proliferated more quickly?

I meant that as a rhetorical question, you could quickscope in every version of cod, but it was never considered a flaw in the game. It was diffo made easier with slight of hand and i guess with the way youtube exploded with mw2 videos everyone started trying to do it.

senordingdong

Yeah, one of those bad things that nobody gave out about becasue they didn't really know it existed.

tommy_irish23

was just reading this

You may remember that a gameplay video leaked last week showing off some sniper action in Call of Duty Black Ops, and seemingly showed the player ‘quickscoping’. However, Treyarch has now confirmed that players will not be able to quickscope in the final version of the game.
That footage was taken from the closed beta of the game, but during a Q&A session on Twitter, Treyarch’s community manger Josh Olin answered some direct questions about whether or not quickscoping will be included in the game.
When simply asked if quickscoping will be possible in Black Ops, Olin replied: ”No. Quickscoping is a cheap way to play. We’re specifically going to gimp Quickscoping, sorry. Play straight-up!”

This obviously alerted a few other users reading Olin’s Twitter page and they continued to quiz him about quickscoping. When next asked if he was ‘joking’ about the above comment, he later replied: ”Nope. Quickscoping is way more annoying to a way larger group of people than the quickscoping community who loves to do it. #cheap”.
He later added that players will now need to wait a brief moment until the sniper sight is centered before they take a shot, and confirmed that no sniper rifles in the game are useful for quickscoping.
What are your thoughts on this? There will no doubt be a few of you upset about this, as you may think that quickscoping is a skill and should be allowed if a player takes the time to learn it. Treyarch obviously doesn’t see it that way though and are intending to make the game as fair as possible for everyone.

tommy_irish23

tommy_irish23 wrote: »

are intending to make the game as fair as possible for everyone.

except snipers

if the scope doesn't go in straight where you aim it then it doesn't just 'gimp' QSing but it makes a sniper next to useless unless you can find somewhere to hardscope for 30 seconds that nobody from the other team will stumble by. I think they'll put it in, realise it's rubbish and a bad idea, and take it out sooner rather than later.

Headshot

praise the lord

everlast75

Liam O wrote: »

except snipers

if the scope doesn't go in straight where you aim it then it doesn't just 'gimp' QSing but it makes a sniper next to useless unless you can find somewhere to hardscope for a brief moment that nobody from the other team will stumble by. I think they'll put it in, realise it's rubbish and a bad idea, and take it out sooner rather than later.

fyp

hightower1

Headshot wrote: »

praise the lord

Delighted! Sniping at its core is about patience and anticipating the larger field of movemnt of an enemy force as a whole and an extra second or two on hardscoping wont effect that in any way.

Royal Irish

I think its great that they got rid of quickscoping. If you want to talk about realism, no sniper would ever dream of doing something so stupid as quickscoping. I'd even go as far as saying that a sniper really should work in pairs. One guy to call out range and wind direction. Obviously thats not needed in CoD, but I would have no problem of camping behind a clan member who is sniping so I can kill people looking for him. If he is any good I should get a good few kills as he gets them.

I agree about the introduction of gambling with CoD points.......its fantastic and genius on treyarchs part !!!

Royal Irish

Royal Irish wrote: »

I think its great that they got rid of quickscoping. If you want to talk about realism, no sniper would ever dream of doing something so stupid as quickscoping. I'd even go as far as saying that a sniper really should work in pairs. One guy to call out range and wind direction. Obviously thats not needed in CoD, but I would have no problem of camping behind a clan member who is sniping so I can kill people looking for him. If he is any good I should get a good few kills as he gets them.

I agree about the introduction of gambling with CoD points.......its fantastic and genius on treyarchs part !!!

really hate when the realism card is played against snipers. You can't snipe with an SMG in real life and it doesn't take 2 sniper bullets to kill people in real life. You can't survive airstrikes landing within a mile radius probably in real life.

I'd love to see how good the game would be if you actually needed skill to use an AR or SMG and they took SOH pro and auto aim off them. But as it is the sniper is the only gun that comes close to you properly having to aim it and yet they make that harder and if anything make ARs stronger with the M16 still killing in 1 burst even though they've taken out SP.

Magill

Liam O wrote: »

really hate when the realism card is played against snipers. You can't snipe with an SMG in real life and it doesn't take 2 sniper bullets to kill people in real life. You can't survive airstrikes landing within a mile radius probably in real life.

I'd love to see how good the game would be if you actually needed skill to use an AR or SMG and they took SOH pro and auto aim off them. But as it is the sniper is the only gun that comes close to you properly having to aim it and yet they make that harder and if anything make ARs stronger with the M16 still killing in 1 burst even though they've taken out SP.

No point trying to convince people that play the realism card, i've come to accept that they are just noobs (New to online shooters) and have no idea of what game balance means.

MarkY91

Liam O wrote: »

really hate when the realism card is played against snipers. You can't snipe with an SMG in real life and it doesn't take 2 sniper bullets to kill people in real life. You can't survive airstrikes landing within a mile radius probably in real life.

I'd love to see how good the game would be if you actually needed skill to use an AR or SMG and they took SOH pro and auto aim off them. But as it is the sniper is the only gun that comes close to you properly having to aim it and yet they make that harder and if anything make ARs stronger with the M16 still killing in 1 burst even though they've taken out SP.

couldnt have put it better myself!... i can kill somebody from 1 side of the map to the other in wasteland with a SILENCED ump45....all u sniper haters please do tell me how "realistic" that is please:)?....im playing cod since cod4 came out and 100% the gun type that actually NEEDS skill are the sniper rifles!!

Royal Irish

Liam O wrote: »

really hate when the realism card is played against snipers. You can't snipe with an SMG in real life and it doesn't take 2 sniper bullets to kill people in real life. You can't survive airstrikes landing within a mile radius probably in real life.

You must actually be a sniper in real life to be so certain about these things and thats abit of an exaggeration with the one mile radius airstrike. I think you might be confusing it to a nuke with that one.

I agree with you about the SMG though. The UMP in modern warfare 2 should only have a range of 100m and the MP5K in Black Ops should only have a range of 25/30m. Same with all the pistols. But you will be able to down people once you have them in your sights.

The 2 shots to kill with a sniper rifle I cant really comment on as I only get headshots, on hardcore :rolleyes:

hightower1

MarkY91 wrote: »

couldnt have put it better myself!... i can kill somebody from 1 side of the map to the other in wasteland with a SILENCED ump45....all u sniper haters please do tell me how "realistic" that is please:)?....im playing cod since cod4 came out and 100% the gun type that actually NEEDS skill are the sniper rifles!!

Urghhhhh... realisim .... but not at the sacrafice of gameplay. Yes certain real life airstrikes ranges are massive and if they were realistic in COD would break the game BUT quickscoping is a step too far as it is not realistic at all and in no stretch of the imagination was it included to benefit gameplay. Its a byproduct of ill though out mechanics like boosting.

You can use the same logic of quickscoping = skill to boosting = skill. They both utilise poor game mechanics to try and gain an advantage over others. Glitchers can also be classed here... in terms of glitching: snipers hiding in the rock on fuel.... it takes "skill" to get there and stay there. You can be killed while in the rock so by the logic that if something can be done , still being difficult , provide the possibilty of being killed and not make kills TOO easy then its a skill??? bulls**t. Its not a skill its exploitation of crappy mechanics.

IW would fix the rock glitch like others if they could be bothered, they couldnt fix the sniper glitch aka quick scoping as it would throw the mechanic of SOH for everyone / people actually hardscoping.
Its clear from the treyarch tweet its something developers of the COD series (all be it different devs) never intended and do not want in their game.

Shammy

I've said before qsing doesnt bother me either way , raging about it here isnt going to change much, there are reports that it can be done and reports that it cant, either way until the game comes out we're not 100% sure of anything , whether its gone competely or nerfed abit .

Magill

hightower1 wrote: »

Urghhhhh... realisim .... but not at the sacrafice of gameplay. Yes certain real life airstrikes ranges are massive and if they were realistic in COD would break the game BUT quickscoping is a step too far as it is not realistic at all and in no stretch of the imagination was it included to benefit gameplay. Its a byproduct of ill though out mechanics like boosting.

You can use the same logic of quickscoping = skill to boosting = skill. They both utilise poor game mechanics to try and gain an advantage over others. Glitchers can also be classed here... in terms of glitching: snipers hiding in the rock on fuel.... it takes "skill" to get there and stay there. You can be killed while in the rock so by the logic that if something can be done , still being difficult , provide the possibilty of being killed and not make kills TOO easy then its a skill??? bulls**t. Its not a skill its exploitation of crappy mechanics.

IW would fix the rock glitch like others if they could be bothered, they couldnt fix the sniper glitch aka quick scoping as it would through the mechanic of SOH for everyone / people actually hardscoping.
Its clear from the treyarch tweet its something developers of the COD series (all be it different devs) never intended and do not want in their game.

Cant believe you just compared the rock glitch to quickscoping... like i said... newbies to shooters and have no idea what balance is.. Quick scoping is a glitch.... righhhttt..... a glitch thats been in pretty much every shooter ever made...

MarkY91

hightower1 wrote: »

Urghhhhh... realisim .... but not at the sacrafice of gameplay. Yes certain real life airstrikes ranges are massive and if they were realistic in COD would break the game BUT quickscoping is a step too far as it is not realistic at all and in no stretch of the imagination was it included to benefit gameplay. Its a byproduct of ill though out mechanics like boosting.

You can use the same logic of quickscoping = skill to boosting = skill. They both utilise poor game mechanics to try and gain an advantage over others. Glitchers can also be classed here... in terms of glitching: snipers hiding in the rock on fuel.... it takes "skill" to get there and stay there. You can be killed while in the rock so by the logic that if something can be done , still being difficult , provide the possibilty of being killed and not make kills TOO easy then its a skill??? bulls**t. Its not a skill its exploitation of crappy mechanics.

IW would fix the rock glitch like others if they could be bothered, they couldnt fix the sniper glitch aka quick scoping as it would throw the mechanic of SOH for everyone / people actually hardscoping.
Its clear from the treyarch tweet its something developers of the COD series (all be it different devs) never intended and do not want in their game.

when people say QSing do u mean when people zoom in slightly and shoot just before the ADS shows up?...if so then yes that is just retarted, i zoom in then i move left or right to aim at my target if im a little off then shoot, and its very quick so i guess im hardscoping very quickly witch to me requires alot of practice to perfect

hightower1

hightower1 wrote: »

You can use the same logic of quickscoping = skill to boosting = skill. They both utilise poor game mechanics to try and gain an advantage over others. Glitchers can also be classed here... in terms of glitching: snipers hiding in the rock on fuel.... it takes "skill" to get there and stay there. You can be killed while in the rock so by the logic that if something can be done , still being difficult , provide the possibilty of being killed and not make kills TOO easy then its a skill??? bulls**t. Its not a skill its exploitation of crappy mechanics.

how is boosting in anyway comparable to people being good at using a gun in a way that's been available since the beginning of COD? I can put up vids of QSing montages from the last 5 CODs, so why now do they mess it up? If there was something wrong with it why not before?

OK, let me put it this way, without saying that it's 'like doing this, that and the other etc.' tell me what is cheap about QSing?

Royal Irish

At the end of the day, the developers themselves have said its a "cheap" way to play, and the majority of players are glad to see it done away with.

If it bothers any of the players who run around maps like headless chickens with a barret 50cal like an idiot, they can stay playing MW2 and not buy Black Ops.

Mithrid

IMO, the idea of gimping QS in BO is a good one.

While I do enjoy QSing in MW2 myself and is the only reason I ever play that game, I believe it is one step towards a balanced game. It's what Treyarch is intending to do and is what most of the CoD community wants anyways. The removal of stopping power and commando is evidence of that.

Besides, would it not be better to hardscope just one second longer and actually get the shot on the guy rather than miss 3 shots by QSing? In my mind, that takes more practice and skill. Running and gunning with the sniper is still possible, just be smart about it.

Magill

Mithrid wrote: »

IMO, the idea of gimping QS in BO is a good one.

While I do enjoy QSing in MW2 myself and is the only reason I ever play that game, I believe it is one step towards a balanced game. It's what Treyarch is intending to do and is what most of the CoD community wants anyways. The removal of stopping power and commando is evidence of that.

Besides, would it not be better to hardscope just one second longer and actually get the shot on the guy rather than miss 3 shots by QSing? In my mind, that takes more practice and skill. Running and gunning with the sniper is still possible, just be smart about it.

You just contradicted yourself... you just said removing quickscoping is one step towards a balanced game.. yet you go on to say its better to hardscope because instead of missing 3 shots by quickscoping it'll only take a second longer to hardscope... how exactly is a method of sniping that you'll likely miss 3 times easier then ?

How is removing something that is harder to pull off than the normal "Hardscope" going to make it more balanced ?

Again, as I and nearly everyone that thinks removing the ability to quickscope have said, it is EASIER to play with SMG's and AR's in mw2 than it is to play with a sniper rifle... therefore shouldn't it be SMG's and AR's that get nerfed ?

Magill

Magill wrote: »

You just contradicted yourself... you just said removing quickscoping is one step towards a balanced game.. yet you go on to say its better to hardscope because instead of missing 3 shots by quickscoping it'll only take a second longer to hardscope... how exactly is a method of sniping that you'll likely miss 3 times easier then ?

How is removing something that is harder to pull off than the normal "Hardscope" going to make it more balanced ?

Again, as I and nearly everyone that thinks removing the ability to quickscope have said, it is EASIER to play with SMG's and AR's in mw2 than it is to play with a sniper rifle... therefore shouldn't it be SMG's and AR's that get nerfed ?

yeah, I love the way that the M16 will kill about as fast as a sniper even though they don't have SP in the game, IMO playing with a one burst kill weapon is cheap and I know a big group of people agree with me so why not make that a 4 burst kill since myself and this big group of people want it?

If they got rid of everything some people don't like about COD they'd be left with people standing still on different sides of the map shooting the wall so as people don't get their feelings hurt when a better player kills them!