Treyarch 'gimping' quick scoping...

hightower1

Bottom line is Quick scoping is not how the gun class is meant to be used... Treyarch agree.. if you dont like it dont get black ops and stay playing MW2. The majority of the community dont like nor want it in the game thats what they have focus groups / beta tests for, so get used to it. The rest of the community clearly wont miss it.

hightower1

hightower1 wrote: »

Bottom line is Quick scoping is not how the gun class is meant to be used... Treyarch agree.. if you dont like it dont get black ops and stay playing MW2. The majority of the community dont like nor want it in the game thats what they have focus groups / beta tests for, so get used to it. The rest of the community clearly wont miss it.

I'd be willing to bet that the majority of people who don't want it only started playing at the MW2 stage or were only casual players of COD before it because there was NEVER any calls take it out before this one and, from what I can see, before they announced they were going to. How come in the Megabitch thread every 5 people weren't complaining about being quickscoped?

Magill

hightower1 wrote: »

Bottom line is Quick scoping is not how the gun class is meant to be used... Treyarch agree.. if you dont like it dont get black ops and stay playing MW2. The majority of the community dont like nor want it in the game thats what they have focus groups / beta tests for, so get used to it. The rest of the community clearly wont miss it.

I'd say a much bigger majority dont want noobtubes and rpgs to be included.... they still left those in tho didnt they

anyway, it doesnt matter, theres already footage of people quickscoping in the final version of the game.

hightower1

Magill wrote: »

I'd say a much bigger majority dont want noobtubes and rpgs to be included.... they still left those in tho didnt they

I think you'll find people had no issues with these, but with scavenger AND these... and hey .... they have removed scavengers ability to re supply grenades!!

Magill wrote: »

anyway, it doesnt matter, theres already footage of people quickscoping in the final version of the game.

Yet the developer says its impossible? How do you know thats final footage and not beta? I guess we wont have long to wait and see if for some bizarre reason the developer publicly stated there will NOT be quickscoping.

Personally I would like to see it gone, not a major gripe of mine, commando is and they addressed that too along with drop shotting... in fact A LOT of people had issues with these things and look here... they have been sorted! My god, could it be Treyarch see QS in the same light as drop shotting and commando users??? :rolleyes:

Goodbye QS, good riddance.

Headshot

Have they stopped drop shotting ?

Lab_Mouse

tbh the first I ever heard of anyone whinging about QS'ing(that is being killed by quickscope not that the team/objective games are being ruined by noobs who cant QS) was on this thread.OMA/Dangerclose-commando pro and those stabby class'es would be higher up the list of things to be dropped or nerfed.

Honestly dont think I seen a post in the mega bitch thread about it.

Hate snipers as a class anyway and would be ****ing delighted to see them out of the game completely:D:pac:

hightower1

Headshot wrote: »

Have they stopped drop shotting ?

Yes, when you run / sprint and go prone you dive and have to wait a second before you can shoot.

Lab_Mouse wrote: »

OMA/Dangerclose-commando pro and those stabby class'es would be higher up the list of things to be dropped or nerfed.

The have been, no more commando.

Treyarch basically removed anything they didnt see as being fair or normal play from black ops : drop shotting, grenade / noob tube spamming, hyperspeed stabs and low and behold they view quick scoping in the same regard so thats gone too. Just cause something takes skill doesnt mean its ok.

MarkY91

hightower1 wrote: »

Yes, when you run / sprint and go prone you dive and have to wait a second before you can shoot.



The have been, no more commando.

Treyarch basically removed anything they didnt see as being fair or normal play from black ops : drop shotting, grenade / noob tube spamming, hyperspeed stabs and low and behold they view quick scoping in the same regard so thats gone too. Just cause something takes skill doesnt mean its ok.

Just cause you cant quickscope doesnt mean its not ok

Kersmash

I don't care that scavenger doesn't replenish noobtubes, they should just be gone.

hightower1

MarkY91 wrote: »

Just cause you cant quickscope doesnt mean its not ok

Treyarch / the fan base seem to disagree.

Tallon

hightower1 wrote: »

Treyarch / the fan base seem to disagree.

Really? Any shred of evidence to support this?

Creasy_bear

Kersmash wrote: »

I don't care that scavenger doesn't replenish noobtubes, they should just be gone.

noobtubes will be grand in black ops, plus they are a must sometimes for getting campers out of their spots.Play some cod4/waw, you will rarely see them. Actually were they even in waw? I honestly can't remember??

It was the scavenger/danger close that fcuked everything up.

The following had to go - commando & danger close and the are gone.

It's the last stand/2nd chance thing i'm dreading.

RGDATA!

i understand some of the arguments in favour of quickscoping better having read a few of the posts above.

noob perspective here -
i can appreciate the skill it takes, and you can't really make a strong argument against it on a realism basis, but to a casual player like me it feels like a bit of an exploit and is a pain. once mastered, it's a just bit too powerful for my sorry arse.

totally sour grapes on my part of course - it's probably a great buzz if you can do it, and i know the guys qs-ing the living **** out me are just way better at the game, but i won't miss it. anyway, if you have the skills to qs you're already at a big advantage with any of the guns.

hightower1

Tallon wrote: »

Really? Any shred of evidence to support this?

Well economics suggest the company / franchise that does well is the one that listens to its customer base, performs metric testing and uses those results to shape the end product. Ergo .... if a company is to make money it must do what the majority of the revenue providing customer base asks or asks for.

Seeing as Treyarch / Activision make a lot of money and surely will again with this installment the logical conclusion is that they supplied the customer base with what they wanted from the product.

Transversely if the majority of the customer base WANTED quick scoping surely they would have left it in in order to maximize uptake / profits.


Accept that you are in the minority and what you like (quick scoping) is not the popular majority. Unfortunately for yourself big companies making a product listen to the larger money share rather than the minor and if thats an issue I would stay with MW2.

For myself I wasnt going to buy this , I am not a fan of cold era weaponry on the whole but after hearing on how they have really listened to what the fans want in AND out I am swayed and will pick up a copy... uh... and there's my explanation in action!

Tallon

hightower1 wrote: »

Accept that you are in the minority

Thats the point, i'm not!

Headshot

Tallon wrote: »

Thats the point, i'm not!

tbf Tallon how do you know?

They did ask players what they wanted tbf and if enough of people didnt want the snipping changed, they wouldnt of changed it

same thing with the beta

Tallon

Just look at youtube, talk to people in the community (i.e. here) and you will see the majority dont mind QS or want it left in the game.

When treyarch announced on twitter they were killing QS, people went mental. Would this not be a sign that they don't want it changed?

As Hutch and seananners put it, with all the QS games on youtube, it appears more powerful of a weapon than it actually is, this is why treyarch decided to remove it.

I hate the wanabe QS'ers just the same as the next person, but peoples perception of it has changed since MW2 because of SoHpro, its essentially ruined it for everyone.

If you truely cant QS in Black Ops it really isnt going to bother me in the slightest, but to say that Quickscopers are in the minority and not popular is, frankly, laughable

Headshot

But why would they ban it then if its going to cause hassel with their community? They relie on us to give them feedback about the game etc

I really think your exaggerating the qs community tbh

Tallon

Really? Did you check youtube?

Heck, even the poll is looking promising already!

Like everything in the game, they've said that they've made it easy to change anything, should they need to in the future. This could include QSing

But as I said, won't bother me, I don't play with the Sniper too often anyway

Headshot

ya the pole is going well with the i do not want quick-scoping in the lead

Tallon

You sure? According to my logic, 7-5 means that people dont mind/want QS in the game !

Headshot

Tallon wrote: »

You sure? According to my logic, 7-5 means that people dont mind/want QS in the game !

oh your including I dont mind votes

well if you push people hard enough they might consider dont want or want
its on the fence vote

Tallon

Of course I'm including them, these people don't mind QS, thus, They don't have the need for it to be removed!

Why would you push people? The point is for people to choose freely for themselves.

It's not an on the fence vote, if someone wanted it removed, they would vote 'do not want'

Simple

Creasy_bear

Tallon wrote: »

Just look at youtube, talk to people in the community (i.e. here) and you will see the majority dont mind QS or want it left in the game.

When treyarch announced on twitter they were killing QS, people went mental. Would this not be a sign that they don't want it changed?

As Hutch and seananners put it, with all the QS games on youtube, it appears more powerful of a weapon than it actually is, this is why treyarch decided to remove it.

I hate the wanabe QS'ers just the same as the next person, but peoples perception of it has changed since MW2 because of SoHpro, its essentially ruined it for everyone.

If you truely cant QS in Black Ops it really isnt going to bother me in the slightest, but to say that Quickscopers are in the minority and not popular is, frankly, laughable

do you really think the people at treyarch are that stupid?

because frankly that is fcuking laughable.

Tallon

Not all @ treyarch, just Josh Olin

Creasy_bear

Tallon wrote: »

Not all @ treyarch, just Josh Olin

so you think this one guy on his own made the decision to get rid of q/scoping?

Tallon

Being the owner of a company, you can do that.

Or, it could be that the majority of developers felt the same as yourself, and wanted QS removed.

The point is, there is absoulutely no proof that the 'community' agreed to this. In fact, every single video I have watched in the past couple of weeks has been discussing it and how retarded a decision it is

Magill

I love how people are all like "Well... if treyarch said its cheap... then it must be so !!!!"

Treyarch have only ever made one decent ****ing game !! And it wasnt even decent till about 3 or 4 months of patches !!!! Just because they are game developers does not make them some sort of uber pro gamers !

I was never asked by treyarch what i thought of quickscoping before they changed it.... so yeah...

you probably have a whole bunch of noobs in treyarch that got bummed by a good quickscoper and spat there dummies out. That JD2002020 or whatever his ****ing name is, hes obviously an idiot.

Sod'o swords

Well looking at videos of sniping in BO so far QS'ing doesn't seem totally removed, but it doesn't seem as easy as in MW2, so i'm happy enough with that.

Granted it didn't annoy me in the first place, the only gripe i have with the latest COD series is rockets and noobtubes. Back in COD:UO it was fine because of the tanks and what not, but now it's just plain annoying. But what can you do, people will always find ways to use annoying tactics. Now hopefully dedicated servers will allow mod tools so i can play on servers where such tom-foolery isn't allowed

Creasy_bear

Tallon wrote: »

Being the owner of a company, you can do that.

Or, it could be that the majority of developers felt the same as yourself, wanted QS removed.

The point is, there is absoulutely no proof that the 'community' agreed to this. In fact, every single video I have watched in the past couple of weeks has been discussing it and how retarded a decision it is

correct, for reasons other than Johnny q/scope on youtube.

These people know every single aspect of the game. What they think is ruining the majority of gamers experience playing the game...........in the end has to go.

Which includes my beloved drop shotting.

It's tough ****, but it certainly won't stop me buying the game.