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Are they allowed do this?

  • 24-10-2010 8:26pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭


    I'm 17 and in 6th year at the moment and i'm growing a beard, I keep it neat and clean. It's roughly a inch to a inch and a half long. Anyway a few weeks ago I passed the school principal and she pulled me to the side and start asking me about my beard, She then told me to trim it because it looks un-hygienic and there used to be a rule in the school forbidding students from growing a beard because it wasn't fair to other students that can't grow one. As it stands I absolutely refuse to trim it as a matter of morals.

    My question is can schools do this? Is it discrimination?

    In my opinion that is just like saying "You can't have that adidas bag because other students can't afford it".

    Thanks in advanced!


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Shut up child!


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,758 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    As "matter of morals"? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,167 ✭✭✭✭Berty


    Tell her to trim her minge.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    jack157 wrote: »
    She then told me to trim it because it looks un-hygienic and there used to be a rule in the school forbidding students from growing a beard because it wasn't fair to other students that can't grow one. As it stands I absolutely refuse to trim it as a matter of morals.

    ...Seriously? :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    Oh for god's sake.

    17 year olds with beards look ridiculous. Shave it and stop being so silly.

    Next you'll be going on about wanting to wear a cravat instead of a tie.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭jack157


    humberklog wrote: »
    As "matter of morals"? :confused:

    The fact that i don't think it is morally correct for her to do that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭sligopark


    of course they can unless of course you claim they are right wing conservatives and its not that you want to grow a beard but your genetics determine it and so not your choice other than to grow one ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭Leonid


    Mattingly! I thought I told you to shave those sideburns! that's it you're off the team!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,554 ✭✭✭✭alwaysadub


    Yes schools can do it.
    No, it's not discrimination.
    Shave!!


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 11,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭Mr. Manager


    jack157 wrote: »
    ...there used to be a rule in the school forbidding students from growing a beard because it wasn't fair to other students that can't grow one...

    I would love to see your school journal that reads "Pupils are not allowed grow facial hair as it is unfair on those that can't"
    jack157 wrote: »
    My question is can schools do this? Is it discrimination?

    Yes. No.
    jack157 wrote: »
    In my opinion that is just like saying "You can't have that adidas bag because other students can't afford it".

    Your opinion is wrong. Fact


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    It's for beard sex right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭jack157


    liah wrote: »
    ...Seriously? :pac:

    Yeah thats what she said, I think it is a load of bull to be honest


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    You would think school would be preparing you for the real world. :confused:

    OP you could argue that it's discrimination, you'd probably be better off saying that you suffer from acne and your beard covers it etc. Also remember that November is "Movember" so tons of people will be growing moustaches and beards for charity so you'll get away with it.

    Regarding "morals" etc....jaysus OP....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭sligopark


    jack157 wrote: »
    The fact that i don't think it is morally correct for her to do that.


    you 're right she must be an intolerant so and so - begin your arguement on her intolerance and her non right to be so


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    jack157 wrote: »
    The fact that i don't think it is morally correct for her to do that.

    Morally she can do what she likes. Her school, her rules.

    You can always go to another school if you don't like her rules.

    Seriously stop being so silly and doing and saying silly things. You're making a show of yourself. Just shave the beard and give her a big smile when you go back after the mid-term.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,708 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    Ah bless him.

    Remember the days when such matters were terribly important? ah bless.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    OP - having a bit of bum fluff doesn't actually qualify as having a beard.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Talk to them and do it exactly like this.


    "I shaved this morning, I just can't *pause**LOUD BELCH* help it."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,813 ✭✭✭themadchef


    Fight the powwah.....

    Then shave your pubes in protest and spend all day scratching instead of studying.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    themadchef wrote: »
    Fight the powwah.....

    Then shave your pubes in protest and spend all day scratching instead of studying.

    He should shave his pubes then make eyebrows out of them with double sided sticky tape.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 onedaylikethis


    AH JEYZUZ. Give the girl a break, if she wants to grow a beard whats the problem. Nothing wrong with a hairy muff:D.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    Young Men grow beards so they don't get carded.

    You're fooling nobody OP!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭ninjasurfer1


    Find a girl with a hairy lip and demand the principal tells her to shave as well!!
    After all, its unfair to all of the other girls who can't grow one!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭foxinsox


    Years ago you would have just got a slap around the ear, a kick in the arse and you would run home and shave straight away...end of story

    Nowadays, I'm not so sure, everything is gone so PC that it is hard to answer your question...

    You might find this an interesting read:

    http://www.equalitytribunal.ie/index.asp?locID=165&docID=1977

    I skimmed through it :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭jack157


    Find a girl with a hairy lip and demand the principal tells her to shave as well!!
    After all, its unfair to all of the other girls who can't grow one!!

    Trust me there is plenty of girls with hairy upper lips to use!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Career in a Union planned?

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭PanchoVilla


    Just shave it off and stop causing trouble ya big hairy communist! You're 17, you don't have the right to do whatever you want yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭jack157


    foxinsox wrote: »
    Years ago you would have just got a slap around the ear, a kick in the arse and you would run home and shave straight away...end of story

    Nowadays, I'm not so sure, everything is gone so PC that it is hard to answer your question...

    You might find this an interesting read:

    http://www.equalitytribunal.ie/index.asp?locID=165&docID=1977

    I skimmed through it :)

    Thanks for that. That reminded me of a story last year about a girl that had her hair dyed purple and she got suspended and wasn't allowed sit her leaving cert, The evening herald actually covered the story.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭sligopark


    foxinsox wrote: »
    Nowadays, I'm not so sure, everything is gone so PC that it is hard to answer your question...

    oh god don't encourage him ...
    foxinsox wrote: »
    You might find this an interesting read:

    http://www.equalitytribunal.ie/index.asp?locID=165&docID=1977

    I skimmed through it :)

    aarrgghhh :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,814 ✭✭✭BaconZombie


    Tell them you can't for religious reasons.
    Problem solved, if they ask what religion you are or they there records say you are "x" religion then ask them "Do you really want to ask that Question?"

    They would be setting themselves up for a possible discrimination issues.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭Absurdum


    jack157 wrote: »
    I'm 17 and in 6th year at the moment and i'm growing a beard, I keep it neat and clean. It's roughly a inch to a inch and a half long. Anyway a few weeks ago I passed the school principal and she pulled me to the side and start asking me about my beard, She then told me to trim it because it looks un-hygienic and there used to be a rule in the school forbidding students from growing a beard because it wasn't fair to other students that can't grow one. As it stands I absolutely refuse to trim it as a matter of morals.

    My question is can schools do this? Is it discrimination?

    In my opinion that is just like saying "You can't have that adidas bag because other students can't afford it".

    Thanks in advanced!

    for ****s sake, girls are not supposed to have beards


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭jack157


    Tell them you can't for religious reasons.
    Problem solved, if they ask what religion you are or they there records say you are "x" religion then ask them "Do you really want to ask that Question?"

    They would be setting themselves up for a possible discrimination issues.

    Oh yes, I am a married Amish man. That will go down well :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭foxinsox


    jack157 wrote: »
    Thanks for that. That reminded me of a story last year about a girl that had her hair dyed purple and she got suspended and wasn't allowed sit her leaving cert, The evening herald actually covered the story.

    Years ago I was refused into a Hotel disco, because my hair was dyed blonde and spiky (apologies, it was the 80's)

    Can you imagine that happening today?

    I don't think so.....

    I think people should be allowed have their hair whatever colour they want.

    The beard thing:

    If it is a "I couldn't be bothered shaving sometimes cos I'm lazy"
    I've no time for that messing and think in a professional environment it looks bad ..

    If someone decided to grow a beard ...that's their business...

    BUT... OP if you want to score girls, I'm sure there are statistics to back it up, I don't think the majority of women find beards attractive..

    Personally ... bearded men ... I just couldn't go there... :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭sligopark


    Tell them you can't for religious reasons.

    Problem solved, if they ask what religion you are or they there records say you are "x" religion then ask them "Do you really want to ask that Question?"

    They would be setting themselves up for a possible discrimination issues.


    good one for you Jack you new muslim convert - also do mutter under your breath "suicide" and "bomb" along with some unintelligable sh1t and you're onto a winner other wise just shave


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,587 ✭✭✭Bob Z


    Absurdum wrote: »
    for ****s sake, girls are not supposed to have beards


    Yes but they should have the RIGHT to a beard

    :D:D:D:D:D:D:D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭Rabble Rabble


    Is that Kangaroo court now abandoned?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Unless you can CLEARLY show its religious discrimination (such as the Sikh religion or your an orthodox Jew abiding with their codes), yes, they can ask you to do this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,305 ✭✭✭Chuchoter


    Maybe she's trying to spare you the embarrassment of looking like a retard 17 year old with a beard.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    amdublin wrote: »
    Oh for god's sake.

    17 year olds with beards look ridiculous. Shave it and stop being so silly.

    Next you'll be going on about wanting to wear a cravat instead of a tie.

    a proper beard on a 17 year old doesn't look any more ridiculous than a beard on a 27 year old :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭ringadingding


    Trust me op, it looks silly.
    I can picture it.
    Let it go.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭kneeelix


    I needed a laugh!the comments on this are priceless.
    on a serious note i came across this twice in my time in school. I had two friends, one was white with a large beard the other was black with a large blue afro. one of them got hounded by the principal. can anybody guess which one?

    why not just shave it off and you and your mates wear some of those joke shop abe lincoln beards for a week. then everybody can have a beard if they so wish:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭jack157


    Maybe she's trying to spare you the embarrassment of looking like a retard 17 year old with a beard.

    Do you think i care if people look at me as a 17 year old retard with a beard?

    The answer is No I don't care


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭Absurdum


    Bob Z wrote: »
    Yes but they should have the RIGHT to a beard

    :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

    stop oppressing transsexuals :mad::mad::mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 383 ✭✭fullback4glin


    I thought you were a mod because of the bold, turns out I'm totally wrong. But please explain how it is a fact that he is wrong

    Your opinion is wrong. Fact[/QUOTE]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭ringadingding




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭sligopark


    kneeelix wrote: »
    on a serious note i came across this twice in my time in school. I had two friends, one was white with a large beard the other was black with a large blue afro. one of them got hounded by the principal. can anybody guess which one?

    the transexual one?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭kneeelix


    ...Lucky guess sligopark.......you win this round


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭Ronin247


    Tell her it is religious discrimination because if you were a sikh then you would be allowed a beard.They treat you differently because you are not a sikh..........discrimination.

    Hated rules like that when I was in school


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 971 ✭✭✭CoalBucket


    Shave the beard and stop bein a pain in the arse, not shaving on "moral" grounds, give me a break. You're 17 not 50, i blame the dude in the hangover


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 642 ✭✭✭Flimbos


    jack157 wrote: »
    I'm 17 and in 6th year at the moment and i'm growing a beard, I keep it neat and clean. It's roughly a inch to a inch and a half long.

    An inch long eh?

    I think you should wait til Movember 1st, then style it into a Hercule Poirot.


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