The BIG medicinal cannabis discussion

LiNgWiStIkZ

08/09/2010 - 10:19:07
A proposal to legalise cannabis for medicinal use in Ireland will be discussed at a meeting of the EU Health Commission in Brussels in the coming days.

Campaigners say that cannabis can be used to cure or to treat many ailments including cancer, HIV-AIDS, multiple schlerosis, and arthritis.

The campaign for the legalisation of medicinal cannabis in Ireland is also due to meet the Minister for Drugs Pat Carey tomorrow to discuss proposals allowing the drug to be prescribed here.


Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/eu-to-discuss-legalising-medicinal-cannabis-472690.html#ixzz0ywRQLavA

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/eu-to-discuss-legalising-medicinal-cannabis-472690.html

Minister for Drugs Pat Carey has a meeting tomorrow too with Gordon McArdle, the man who has written the Compassionate Use of Medical Cannabis Act. He has made a package for the government to read, containing scientific information, testimonials, etc. and it's been translated to many languages, to which he hopes the rest of the EU can follow. The act is loosely based on California's laws but a much more regulated process. Fingers crossed guys, this can work!

The CUMCA website is http://www.hempirl.webs.com/


Good things are happening people!

FunkZ

"Look at these marose muthafcukas right here, smell like someone shit in their cereal... BONNNGGG."

AIDS and weed, or drink and smokes. Drink for me!

Wompa1

LiNgWiStIkZ wrote: »

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/eu-to-discuss-legalising-medicinal-cannabis-472690.html

Minister for Drugs Pat Carey has a meeting tomorrow too with Gordon McArdle, the man who has written the Compassionate Use of Medical Cannabis Act. He has made a package for the government to read, containing scientific information, testimonials, etc. and it's been translated to many languages, to which he hopes the rest of the EU can follow. The act is loosely based on California's laws but a much more regulated process. Fingers crossed guys, this can work!

The CUMCA website is http://www.hempirl.webs.com/

Good things are happening people!

It's only good if its a better system than California. As in not every Tom, Dick and Harry can go in and get prescribed it for some bogus cause. e.g. Snoop Dogg suffering from f'kin anxiety!

I have never ever heard before that it cures cancer, aids or arthiritus...pardon the pun but it sounds like someones blowing smoke up our asses

Dravokivich

LiNgWiStIkZ wrote: »

Good things are happening people!

But it's for medicinal use... not for stoners...

FunkZ

He will go in with scientific facts, that will scare whoever he speaks with and automatically make this a no go.

Fcukin' science hating ****.

LiNgWiStIkZ

Dravokivich wrote: »

But it's for medicinal use... not for stoners...

It's a step forward.

ScumLord

I'm off to stick my balls in the microwave in anticipation.

blubloblu

I can't take that website seriously.

TPD

Hot shít, wouldn't think Ireland would have the balls to consider anything as radical and outlandish as that. Imagine, a helpful substance being allowed to help people.

LiNgWiStIkZ

Wompa1 wrote: »

I have never ever heard before that it cures cancer, aids or arthiritus...pardon the pun but it sounds like someones blowing smoke up our asses

http://www.nowpublic.com/thc_marijuana_helps_cure_cancer_says_harvard_study

http://www.phoenixtears.ca/

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/68/2/339.short

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/new_cancer_treatments/104300

http://www.jci.org/articles/view/37948

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071226004546.htm


Google "cannabinoids and cancer/tumour"

Sykk

Something less damaging than Cigarettes and more helpful than most of the shíte medication you get to cure countless illnesses becoming legal? Never.

LiNgWiStIkZ

Ah Sykk, but we can only hope!

MagicSean

I wonder will there be a prohibition on supplying it to people with drug convictions.

thebigbiffo

as long as i cant get a prescription for my 'stress' or my 'depression' or my other various non-physical (and harder to prove) ailments i'll be as happy as a hippy in the 'dam.

i wont be holding my breath though

Wazdakka

blubloblu wrote: »

I can't take that website seriously.

Breakingnews.ie?

Yea me neither. The news is always so boring.
It's just not a patch on the onion.

ScumLord

k_mac wrote: »

I wonder will there be a prohibition on supplying it to people with drug convictions.

Why, are you saying people with a conviction shouldn't get medical care?

Logical Fallacy

Wompa1 wrote: »

I have never ever heard before that it cures cancer, aids or arthiritus...pardon the pun but it sounds like someones blowing smoke up our asses

"To cure or to treat", being the phrase used.

TPD

thebigbiffo wrote: »

as long as i cant get a prescription for my 'stress' or my 'depression' or my other various non-physical (and harder to prove) ailments i'll be as happy as a hippy in the 'dam.

i wont be holding my breath though

My insomnia has been playing up a bit recently :P

ScumLord

ScumLord wrote: »

Why, are you saying people with a conviction shouldn't get medical care?

Absolutely. People with drug convictions shouldn't be allowed have access to drugs which can be abused, ranging from codeine to morphine. Doesn't matter if they're sick; they do drugs so they're LOWLIFES!!!1!!!1!111L OLLL

</facetious>

MagicSean

ScumLord wrote: »

Why, are you saying people with a conviction shouldn't get medical care?

If they have a conviction for selling drugs I dont see why they should be given stuff to sell.

LiNgWiStIkZ

k_mac wrote: »

If they have a conviction for selling drugs I dont see why they should be given stuff to sell.

They'll need to visit their GP and it's up to them whether they want to give it to them or not.

If this comes into place, I wouldn't see the point in buying from the black market when you can get safer produce legally!

philologos

Medicinal cannabis, as a treatment, prescribed by doctors in appropriate amounts isn't a problem by me. I'd be supportive of legalising medicinal cannabis in that capacity only. There would have to be safeguards in order to estimate appropriate need and ensure that there aren't serious abuses.

Logical Fallacy

LiNgWiStIkZ wrote: »

If this comes into place, I wouldn't see the point in buying from the black market when you can get safer produce legally!

This is the kind of **** that really pisses me off. There are actually people in this country that would really benefit from access to medicinal cannabis and all this thread is going to be about is falsifying reasons to get it.

Bull****ting your way into would hardly be getting it legally, as your would be fraudulently claiming to have medical issues you didn't have with the direct goal of obtaining a substance that would otherwise be off limits to you.

At least view that fraud as what it is.

jackiebaron

Wompa1 wrote: »

It's only good if its a better system than California. As in not every Tom, Dick and Harry can go in and get prescribed it for some bogus cause. e.g. Snoop Dogg suffering from f'kin anxiety!

I have never ever heard before that it cures cancer, aids or arthiritus...pardon the pun but it sounds like someones blowing smoke up our asses

Nobody is claiming that it CURES these conditions, it helps TREAT them. Cancer sufferers get great pain relief from a few hits of weed. It also eases the pain of arthritis and many other painful conditions. It helps those with glaucoma, etc.

LiNgWiStIkZ

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

This is the kind of **** that really pisses me off. There are actually people in this country that would really benefit from access to medicinal cannabis and all this thread is going to be about is falsifying reasons to get it.

Bull****ting your way into would hardly be getting it legally, as your would be fraudulently claiming to have medical issues you didn't have with the direct goal of obtaining a substance that would otherwise be off limits to you.

At least view that fraud as what it is.

What??

I didn't say anything about falsifying any medical issues. I just made the point that nobody has to go to the black market to treat their illness, as they can get it from their GP (that is if this is passed)

LiNgWiStIkZ

jackiebaron wrote: »

Nobody is claiming that it CURES these conditions, it helps TREAT them. Cancer sufferers get great pain relief from a few hits of weed.

More than that buddy

Check my post from the previous page!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n31Nuj_AvTg

Corsendonk

Jakkass wrote: »

Medicinal cannabis, as a treatment, prescribed by doctors in appropriate amounts isn't a problem by me. I'd be supportive of legalising medicinal cannabis in that capacity only. There would have to be safeguards in order to estimate appropriate need and ensure that there aren't serious abuses.

This debate was in the politics forum a couple of weeks ago. Of course the stoners thought it was a license to actually grow the plants themselves if they had a headache and prescribe to their mates. The kind of thinking that gets the law revoked in a couple of months.

stbrennan

Legalise it in Ireland only...
We are becoming immune to whiskey





They need something else to stop us taking over the world!:D

Wompa1

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

"To cure or to treat", being the phrase used.

exactly..they should not use cure. They have state To cure in the news article which is ballsy and sensationalist....The links provided by another poster doesn't say it cures either. THC which is in it can help stop the spread or growth of tumours...also in the study the THC was injected. Wouldn't it then be possible to have this as a series of injections to reduce risk to the lungs?

I watched a documentary before about it in California. In fairness the people that used it did like it but they also weren't abusing the stuff and used special filters to ensure they were getting what was needed medicinal.

jackiebaron

k_mac wrote: »

If they have a conviction for selling drugs I dont see why they should be given stuff to sell.

Well if they have been selling it it the past then I'm sure they don't need a bloody doctor's note to get some for their own consumption if they are suffering. Just call up some of the old contacts.

ScumLord

k_mac wrote: »

If they have a conviction for selling drugs I dont see why they should be given stuff to sell.

Your bringing in bureaucracy into it now and restricting medical care based on a persons past. I don't see why people feel the need to ensure certain people get sustained punishment for things they feel are wrong. The only person who should decide what drugs a person is prescribed is their doctor.

chops1990

Wompa1 wrote: »

I have never ever heard before that it cures cancer, aids or arthiritus...pardon the pun but it sounds like someones blowing smoke up our asses

I don't think anyone made out it cures cancer, aids or arthiritus, simply that it alleviates the symptoms people suffer from these illnesses

Logical Fallacy

LiNgWiStIkZ wrote: »

What??

I didn't say anything about falsifying any medical issues. I just made the point that nobody has to go to the black market to treat their illness, as they can get it from their GP (that is if this is passed)

Ah my bad, i completely misinterpreted your post.

Apologies!:o

Sanjuro

OH WONT SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN??!!

philologos

ScumLord wrote: »

Your bringing in bureaucracy into it now and restricting medical care based on a persons past. I don't see why people feel the need to ensure certain people get sustained punishment for things they feel are wrong. The only person who should decide what drugs a person is prescribed is their doctor.

I have doubts that the doctor would prescribe enough for the patient to sell. If that patient was genuinely in need of the cannabis, they wouldn't sell it either.

More than likely there will be legal limits on how much the doctor can prescribe with penalties in the case of abuse.

jackiebaron

k_mac wrote: »

If they have a conviction for selling drugs I dont see why they should be given stuff to sell.

That has to be the stupidest statement I've heard all year. People sell drugs to make money. That's it. They don't have some fetish for drugs and nothing else. They would sell horse-manure if it was more lucrative. They would sell guns, DVDs, cigarettes, whatever if they could make a buck on it. By your inane logic a guy who has a conviction for selling cheap smuggled booze illegally shouldn't be allowed near a pub or off-license.

Are you meaning to tell me that some washed-up con with arthritis and lumbago shouldn't be prescribed 2 weak joints every few days because he might hobble down to the street corner and put the Medellin Drug Cartel out of business by peddling his two spliffs for a fiver?

Get real.

LiNgWiStIkZ

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Ah my bad, i completely misinterpreted your post.

Apologies!:o

No problem buddy! This is a sensitive issue, so we can all take each other's posts with a grain of salt

MagicSean

LiNgWiStIkZ wrote: »

They'll need to visit their GP and it's up to them whether they want to give it to them or not.

If this comes into place, I wouldn't see the point in buying from the black market when you can get safer produce legally!

Are you saying that most cannabis smokers smoke it for its medicinal value? The black market will not suffer very much from regulation.

ScumLord wrote: »

Your bringing in bureaucracy into it now and restricting medical care based on a persons past. I don't see why people feel the need to ensure certain people get sustained punishment for things they feel are wrong. The only person who should decide what drugs a person is prescribed is their doctor.

Its already done with methadone. If a person doesn't stick to the prescription properly they are cut off. So their past actions do count towards what they will be given by a doctor.

Wompa1

chops1990 wrote: »

I don't think anyone made out it cures cancer, aids or arthiritus, simply that it alleviates the symptoms people suffer from these illnesses

But they did in the OPs link:

Campaigners say that cannabis can be used to cure or to treat many ailments including cancer, HIV-AIDS, multiple schlerosis, and arthritis

LiNgWiStIkZ

k_mac wrote: »

Are you saying that most cannabis smokers smoke it for its medicinal value? The black market will not suffer very much from regulation.

No, I mean in the medicinal sense. No longer will a sick person need to roam the streets to find their medicine

ScumLord

Jakkass wrote: »

I have doubts that the doctor would prescribe enough for the patient to sell.

I doubt any doctor would, but then there's the whole bulk buy argument and inflated prices in Ireland due to rules like that.

Over all if someone uses cannabis they could grow it quite easily but they'd be left with quite a bit of it, in California they sell it onto the cannabis shops which is good for them as it can cover any medical cost they have, although you'd have to wonder about quality of manufacturing it's very grey. It's not a good business model though, no huge profits for medical companies and no back handers for doctors in the medical companies pockets, totally un-Irish.

k_mac wrote:

Its already done with methadone. If a person doesn't stick to the prescription properly they are cut off. So their past actions do count towards what they will be given by a doctor.

Bit of a difference between a pain relieving medication like cannabis and methadone.

chops1990

Wompa1 wrote: »

But they did in the OPs link:

oops my bad, missed that bit

saywhatyousee

they should just go the hole hog and make it legal.good way to create jobs tax revenue and increased tourism i think it could be quite a significant earner for the irish economy

chops1990

The most practical thing they could do is just legalise it in shops altogether, medicinally or for recreational purposes, just put an age limit on it. Cannabis in itself is harmless, it's when its smoked with tobacco its harmful.

Cannabis = Brilliant
Tobacco = Demon weed

jackiebaron

Wompa1 wrote: »

But they did in the OPs link:

Pedantics, mate, come on. It can cure some conditions and treat some conditions. Th list of maladies that it can "cure or treat" include cancer, AIDS, arthritis, yada yada.

So it may cure insomnia or anxiety and may simply treat cancer, AIDS, etc.

That's pretty clear from the sentence.

seensensee

There will be no medicinal cannabis available in Ireland until the misuse of drugs act has been amended. Schedule 1 drugs (cannabis) are recognised to have no medical benefit. Of course everybody knows that cannabis is being prescribed as a medicine around the world and so our nonsensical legislation should be changed. No stretch of the imagination to say that big pharma would be lobbying for a change since they have a product to sell.


Monday July 05 2010
THE first pain-relieving medicine containing cannabis extract may be licensed here for patients with cancer, multiple sclerosis (MS) and a number of other conditions.
The drug Sativex is different from other similar pharmaceutically produced medicines because it is derived from botanical material rather than a solely synthetic process.


But although thousands of patients may benefit from it, the drug cannot be prescribed by doctors because it would breach the Misuse of Drugs Act.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/cannabis-drug-may-be-given-to-cancer-sufferers-in-ireland-2246280.html

philologos

ScumLord wrote: »

Over all if someone uses cannabis they could grow it quite easily but they'd be left with quite a bit of it, in California they sell it onto the cannabis shops which is good for them as it can cover any medical cost they have, although you'd have to wonder about quality of manufacturing it's very grey. It's not a good business model though, no huge profits for medical companies and no back handers for doctors in the medical companies pockets, totally un-Irish.

The legislation isn't about growing cannabis is it? - I thought this would be only about doctors prescribing it?

Stercus Accidit

Only cancer causing addictive drugs are truely legal in Ireland.

Oh, and liver destroying ones.

chops1990

Cigs and drink kill thousands of people worldwide every year. Since Cannabis has come into use there hasn't been a single death recorded related to it's use..... hmmmm what could be the real reason they have it banned worldwide. Maybe coz it makes ya think and question?

I've heard countless stories of people with dibilitating illnesses whose lives became much easier with the use of cannabis in one form or another, only to later find out they've been prosecuted and punished. Where's the justice there?

philologos

I thought this thread was about medicinal cannabis rather than cannabis for recreational use?

chops1990

It is, people are probably just making extra points to help explain their other ones or get their main point across