M11 - Arklow to Rathnew

D.L.R. · 23-12-2011 1:16pm

Finally a bit of pragmatism re road building, ie build stuff we actually need, for traffic which actually exists!

Refreshing.

Niles · 23-12-2011 8:02pm

marathont wrote: »

If this has been in planning for 20 years, why was it not done before now ? Is there something difficult about this particular stretch?

You could say the same about many of Ireland's infrastructure projects. We seem to be great at coming up with ideas and debating them, not so much when it comes to actually executing them.

Still, a bit of good news at last.

spacetweek · 24-12-2011 1:13am

Is the Gorey service area included in this project?

Niles · 24-12-2011 6:31pm

spacetweek wrote: »

Is the Gorey service area included in this project?

There doesn't appear to be any mention of it. IIRC the service area was to be somewhere in the vicinity of Inch, presumably that would be a separate project to the Rathnew-Arklow scheme but I could be wrong.

jd · 28-12-2011 1:15pm

It's confirmed in Wexford People today that the Gorey Service area will be going ahead as part of this PPP.

iwo · 28-12-2011 3:10pm

jd wrote: »

It's confirmed in Wexford People today that the Gorey Service area will be going ahead as part of this PPP.

What do you means by Gorey service area?

L1011 · 28-12-2011 3:13pm

iwo wrote: »

What do you means by Gorey service area?

There will be a (single-sided with bridge) motorway service area built on the Gorey Bypass - North of Gorey - as part of this contract.

dubhthach · 28-12-2011 3:37pm

EIS documentation on the Gorey service area can be seen here:
http://www.nra.ie/Publications/EISPublications/

See here for design:
http://www.nra.ie/Publications/EISPublications/file,15756,en.pdf

andrewf10 · 28-12-2011 6:08pm

dubhthach wrote: »

EIS documentation on the Gorey service area can be seen here:
http://www.nra.ie/Publications/EISPublications/

See here for design:
http://www.nra.ie/Publications/EISPublications/file,15756,en.pdf

I don't get why there's a roundabout for northbound traffic entering the station (giving dozy people a chance to go in the wrong direction when exiting the station), why not have it like I've shown in the attached? Any ideas?

L1011 · 28-12-2011 6:22pm

The reason I've seen written down for similar in the UK is to allow people who've forgotten something to go back in without having to go a massive distance down and back. All existing 6 MSAs have it too. Still not the most logical reason though.

Wild Bill · 28-12-2011 10:12pm

MYOB wrote: »

All existing 6 MSAs have it too. Still not the most logical reason though.

I don't think Enfield has?

L1011 · 28-12-2011 10:54pm

Wild Bill wrote: »

I don't think Enfield has?

Both sides enter with sliproads to a RAB and exit off the same RAB.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.41254&lon=-6.87876&zoom=17&layers=M

dubhthach · 28-12-2011 11:18pm

MYOB wrote: »

Both sides enter with sliproads to a RAB and exit off the same RAB.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.41254&lon=-6.87876&zoom=17&layers=M

What strange in this Gorey proposal is there appears to be two roundabouts, one quite close to actual DC, I would have thought the one would have been enough

antoobrien · 29-12-2011 12:58pm

Wild Bill wrote: »

I don't think Enfield has?

It does, east & west

Wild Bill · 29-12-2011 1:06pm

MYOB wrote: »

The reason I've seen written down for similar in the UK is to allow people who've forgotten something to go back in without having to go a massive distance down and back. All existing 6 MSAs have it too. Still not the most logical reason though.

I thought MYOB was referring to an ability to U-turn at the MSAs. You can't do that at the Enfield one - no bridge.

Wild Bill · 29-12-2011 1:08pm

But now I realize ye are talking about going back into the Service area!

I really must learn to pay attention......

jd · 29-12-2011 3:40pm

jd wrote: »

It's confirmed in Wexford People today that the Gorey Service area will be going ahead as part of this PPP.

Here is the linkie
http://www.goreyguardian.ie/news/work-to-start-on-controversial-service-station-2974497.html

dubhthach · 29-12-2011 4:31pm

jd wrote: »

Here is the linkie
http://www.goreyguardian.ie/news/work-to-start-on-controversial-service-station-2974497.html

The article claims the service area is controversial and that there was a local campaign against it. Why was this? Surely it will employ local people when it's up and running.

PseudoFamous · 29-12-2011 4:35pm

dubhthach wrote: »

The article claims the service area is controversial and that there was a local campaign against it. Why was this? Surely it will employ local people when it's up and running.

The idea is that it will be the final nail in aul Inch and Ballyellen's coffin, as no one will even go in there to get petrol. That is, according to my cousin who's laughing at the protestors.

Niles · 29-12-2011 6:47pm

I'd imagine it will effect business at the petrol station/Londis at Inch, at the moment it's probably a convenient place for drivers to pull in without having to go into Arklow or Gorey. You do often see trucks pull in the southbound bus stop here. The only other establishment that I can think of being affected would be Toss Byrnes (though I'm not really sure if it would make much of a difference here).

spacetweek · 30-12-2011 2:12am

I always object to Burger King being described as a restaurant

Niles · 30-12-2011 8:32pm

spacetweek wrote: »

I always object to Burger King being described as a restaurant

It's going to be a Burger King? In that case I would use the term "restaurant" loosely myself, I suppose "fast food outlet" wouldn't sound as good. Though seeing as it's the one part of the M/N11 I rarely have reason to travel on (effectively bypasses me) I guess I've little need to worry about it.

Chris_5339762 · 30-12-2011 9:22pm

It'll be Burger King as far as I know, the same as the Enfield and M1 ones.

L1011 · 30-12-2011 9:35pm

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

It'll be Burger King as far as I know, the same as the Enfield and M1 ones.

That'd most likely be reliant on BAM/BOI issuing "their" concession to SuperStop, although that would be fairly logical.

spacetweek · 31-12-2011 12:04pm

I still have nightmares about the BK I had in Enfield. I'd say I was their first customer in an hour - stodgefest.

In places like Germany and Belgium, the service area food is a good-quality buffet.

jd · 31-12-2011 1:32pm

I wonder how viable it will be given the Enniscorthy by-pass won't be happening for a good while

PseudoFamous · 31-12-2011 2:11pm

spacetweek wrote: »

I still have nightmares about the BK I had in Enfield. I'd say I was their first customer in an hour - stodgefest.

I suspect that a burger king would be a bit of a flop on the M11, that far south. At least the one on the M1 has commuters from Balbriggan, Drogheda and Dundalk.

It'd probably be better off building it in either Gorey or Arklow to begin with.. But of course, like everything in Ireland, someone will think "build it and they will come", and be surprised when no one does.

L1011 · 31-12-2011 6:32pm

jd wrote: »

I wonder how viable it will be given the Enniscorthy by-pass won't be happening for a good while

Even without that there won't be a station between Camolin and Kilmac (there already isn't a 24hr station between Ferns and Kilmac) once the new scheme is built. It'll certainly be viable as a petrol station at least.

Niles · 01-01-2012 7:43pm

jd wrote: »

I wonder how viable it will be given the Enniscorthy by-pass won't be happening for a good while

That's a good point. I suppose in for the immediate future it's really more of strategic value than anything else. I suppose there'll be some trade from lorries heading to Rosslare and the like, but can't imagine there being a huge amount of trade for the restaurant from casual motorists. The service station itself is probably viable enough though.

Jayuu · 01-01-2012 8:07pm

The advantage of any motorway stop is that people know they can pull in to one of them and get all they need in the one go. So you're more likely to pull in to this place because if you go a bit further, while you might find a petrol station, there's no guarantee that you're going to be able to get food/coffee at it.

On the M1 there were a lot of people who said that the Lusk stop was too close to Dublin for people to want to stop there yet anytime I have pulled in there its been relatively busy. However I realise there probably is more traffic on this stretch of road than on the N/M11.

M11 - Arklow to Rathnew

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