Ireland equals DOG UNFRIENDLY country

seamus

crazyFeet wrote: »

bumb into one that isn't being trained properly, and it is in the shop where you can't avoid it

...then you will have no escape from the barrage of licking and cuddling that will come your way.

If you bump into a pitbull, firstly it is unlikely to even notice because they have heads made of stone, and secondly they are likely to roll over and ask for a rub because that's what pitbulls do.

adser53

crazyFeet wrote: »

If they make it legal then the shops will probably get eaten by dogs who's owners are not far from them brainwise. There are some people that shouldn't be allowed to have pets, i was bringing my lil' brother into town and there was this idio! standing with a pitbull (it has been proven than these dogs are unpredictible and dangerous), the dog had no mouth guard either which is illegal but i see it all the time. It is fine if it's a boxer or something, but pitbull... bumb into one that isn't being trained properly, and it is in the shop where you can't avoid it and you are a gonner... so if owners like this will be allowed to bring their pits everywhere, i wouldn't leave my house! I've seen them dogs fighting back in my homecoutry, and believe me, you don't wana b their pray... all in all, there are just too many idiots with dogs out there, and that has to be sorted first so owners who know their dogs can then go into public places. But the government has No control over this, it is a joke

I'm sick and tired of this crap coming up in almost every thread. You can't read more than a few posts without ignorance and hysteria creeping in about these breeds time and time again.

sionnaic

crazyFeet wrote: »

....a pitbull (it has been proven than these dogs are unpredictible and dangerous)

you should prob educate yourself before making these kind of assumptions
here's a good place to start
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055969502

kylith

seamus wrote: »

...then you will have no escape from the barrage of licking and cuddling that will come your way.

If you bump into a pitbull, firstly it is unlikely to even notice because they have heads made of stone, and secondly they are likely to roll over and ask for a rub because that's what pitbulls do.

Very true! A guy I work with often has his in his van. He likes to not tell people it's there so he can see the look on their faces when it starts licking the back of their heads.

barbiegirl

Dogs love a run off the leash, in a safe area, where they cannot annoy people who don't like dogs. This is for their safety as much as the humans. An excited dog and a scared human can send mixed signals to one another, so dog is playing, scared human thinks they're being attacked, dog gets the blame and all hell blows up.
As to those who are scared of dogs there needs to be balance. I do adore my dog, I do trust her, but I also do my best to ensure she is on leash when we meet people or other dogs. I bring her to open air events and she behaves perfectly, such as Dun laoghaire last Sunday. I understand you are scared but it is your issue, so long as I have my dog under control you need to leave us be.
Dogs, as I stated earlier so not have a place in shops and restaurants, but sitting outside, having coffee and sandwich, they do no one any harm, infact a lot less than a smoker. I've never had an issue with hthis, but I am always sensible in where I bring her, I also was in the Village in Kildare last Saturday, I left the dog in the car with four windows opened, and was gone ten minutes. The Village is not somewhere I would ever consider bringing her into, I want to shop too much.
Comparing dogs to children is only over the top in some ways. Children like dogs should be socialised and well behaved in public places, and not disturbing other people, accepting that crying babies and tantruming toddlers are excluded from this these are facts of life :-) Like dogs most kids I come across are well behaved, ask before they approach us, and are gentle, so I won't say all kids are terrors, so don't treat them as such, perhaps the same courtesy could be extended to our dogs, don't judge the vast majority on the minority bad owners. It is the owners at fault not the dog.

Tourman

Dogs are pets, maybe your pet. Not the shop owners pet and certainly not the pet of people in the shop who have phobias re dogs.

Shop owners may not know your dog from some other dog. If a dog bites a customer in the shop its not the pet owner that is sued. If the dog soils in the shop its the shop staff that will have to clean up after it.
So a blanket ban on pets in a shop is quite reasonable

Bringing guide dogs into the discussion is not relevant as the shop management must allow guide dogs in order to comply with anti discrimination legislation. If I owned a shop it would be clear that Dogs were not allowed so as to avoid any confusion and or embarrassment.

I am sure dogs have no need to be in shop.

Discodog

seamus wrote: »

and secondly they are likely to roll over and ask for a rub because that's what pitbulls do.

Strange that we speak of rubbing a dog whereas the Brits say that they are stroking it. Stroke definitely conveys more affection.

Jinxi

I always wondered why business minded people haven't cornered off about a half acre in every park and charged people 2euro per dog to have them off leash and somewhere to run around and play. There is no better feeling than watching your dog play happily with a buddy. It would be easy with some "at your own risk" signs.

CreedonsDogDayc

Howdy,

I havent read this whole topic, but incase it hasnt been mentioned........


Dogs are legally allowed enter any shop / premises that DOES NOT serve food, UNLESS there is a sign up saying no dogs allowed!!!

Great way to socialise a young dog is to take them into banks / post offices etc. if there is no sign up (and no food) head on in!!

Its up to them to put a sign up!

andreac

CreedonsDogDayc wrote: »

Howdy,

I havent read this whole topic, but incase it hasnt been mentioned........


Dogs are legally allowed enter any shop / premises that DOES NOT serve food, UNLESS there is a sign up saying no dogs allowed!!!

Great way to socialise a young dog is to take them into banks / post offices etc. if there is no sign up (and no food) head on in!!

Its up to them to put a sign up!

Wow, thats good to know. I still dont think id bring my rottie to the shops:D, could you imagine, the place would just empty, lol.

Tranceypoo

Actually saying that I bring my dog into the bank and the post office whenever I have to go in there, forgot about that!!

Zapperzy

CreedonsDogDayc wrote: »

Howdy,

I havent read this whole topic, but incase it hasnt been mentioned........


Dogs are legally allowed enter any shop / premises that DOES NOT serve food, UNLESS there is a sign up saying no dogs allowed!!!

Great way to socialise a young dog is to take them into banks / post offices etc. if there is no sign up (and no food) head on in!!

Its up to them to put a sign up!

I didn't know that, it's good to know though! Out of curiousity have you had much bother with bringing pups into banks and post offices to socialise them? Do places with no sign and no food ever say anything to you?

andreac wrote: »

Wow, thats good to know. I still dont think id bring my rottie to the shops:D, could you imagine, the place would just empty, lol.

Haha mothers would be clinging to their children for fear that he'd decide to have a feast of small children!

Wolfe Tone

CreedonsDogDayc wrote: »

Howdy,

I havent read this whole topic, but incase it hasnt been mentioned........


Dogs are legally allowed enter any shop / premises that DOES NOT serve food, UNLESS there is a sign up saying no dogs allowed!!!

Great way to socialise a young dog is to take them into banks / post offices etc. if there is no sign up (and no food) head on in!!

Its up to them to put a sign up!

Any links to back that up mate?

Tranceypoo

I've never had any hassle or comments bringing my lad into the bank or post office, he is a black lab/staffy cross (rescue dog) and very handsome (if I say so myself) and I have had a few comments along the lines of 'what a lovely dog' and 'isn't he well behaved' cos he's very chilled and if the queue is long he tends to lie down and nod off

mymo

I generally don't bring my dogs into shops, although I do like to bring them into town, there's a couple of places we stop for a cuppa that have no problem with them sitting outside with us(even bring them water).
I have often stopped outside a shop while my daughter went in to look at something(within my sight) and have been told its fine to bring the dogs inside in 2 shoe shops(one more than once) and an electronics shop, also a bookshop we frequent in town where the dogs tails wag when they get to the door as the lady there gives them hugs.
I'll only go in if its quiet and I'm invited, as it can be stressful for the dogs when its busy.
If I have to shop for something in particular i don't bring the dogs, but just for a walk around town they love it.
I think Ireland is getting more pet friendly, but its the amount of untrained dogs roaming around that cause problems, I don't know about Dublin but there's loads down here.

Jelly2

Discodog wrote: »

Strange that we speak of rubbing a dog whereas the Brits say that they are stroking it. Stroke definitely conveys more affection.

It might linguistically convey more affection, but in reality a dog adores being rubbed on its tummy!

esentziak

Hello

I think I know what the answer will be but .... we live in France and are coming over to Ireland for a month to visit daughter and grand-child. We have/had planned to bring our female Cavalier King Charles with us.

We've done the expensive bit (blood test, travelling via the UK instead of flying, and so on).

Our daughter, who has a restaurant, reminded me that in Ireland, you cannot bring a dog into restaurants, cafés, pub, which I had completely forgotten. In France, we often take her to restaurants with us, we have never been refused.

I just don't know what to do: I intend to look after our grandchild and my husband will give her a hand in the restaurant as one of her chef is away on his honeymoon for three weeks.

It will mean that I will never be able to have lunch or dinner in our daughter's restaurant - although she does have a terrace where I suppose I could bring the dog (but you have to go through the restaurant to get to the terrace)

Additionally we plan to do a bit of travelling and sightseeing in Ireland whilst we are there, which means staying in hotels (again not a problem in France but in Ireland ?)

I have given myself until Sunday to decide: I think I have somebody to look after her (F0C, somebody returning a big favour); I don't really want to put her in a kennel.

Apologies for such a long post and giving you nearly my life story !

Dominique

Jelly2

esentziak wrote: »

Hello

I think I know what the answer will be but .... we live in France and are coming over to Ireland for a month to visit daughter and grand-child. We have/had planned to bring our female Cavalier King Charles with us.

We've done the expensive bit (blood test, travelling via the UK instead of flying, and so on).

Our daughter, who has a restaurant, reminded me that in Ireland, you cannot bring a dog into restaurants, cafés, pub, which I had completely forgotten. In France, we often take her to restaurants with us, we have never been refused.

I just don't know what to do: I intend to look after our grandchild and my husband will give her a hand in the restaurant as one of her chef is away on his honeymoon for three weeks.

It will mean that I will never be able to have lunch or dinner in our daughter's restaurant - although she does have a terrace where I suppose I could bring the dog (but you have to go through the restaurant to get to the terrace)

Additionally we plan to do a bit of travelling and sightseeing in Ireland whilst we are there, which means staying in hotels (again not a problem in France but in Ireland ?)

I have given myself until Sunday to decide: I think I have somebody to look after her (F0C, somebody returning a big favour); I don't really want to put her in a kennel.

Apologies for such a long post and giving you nearly my life story !

Dominique

Dominique,
As your daughter is the owner of the restaurant, it will be up to her whether she allows you to walk your dog through the main dining room inside to get to the terrace!
Also, we find that there are some B&Bs that will allow dogs in the house, and some that will allow you to keep your dog in a shed outside (bring your dog basket!). One that I know well is www.glendinehouse.com in Wexford. A quick google will come up with some more, I should think. Or perhaps you could have the dog sleep overnight in the car? Ours sometimes do that in the summer, and are quite happy on the back seat with a blanket underneath them.
Also, lots of tourist sites will allow dogs, as long as they are outdoor sites. Kennedy Park in Wexford is well worth a visit, as is Tintern Abbey - both lovely places for dogs. You will easily manage to have your dog and visit lots of tourist sites!

mymo

esentziak, there are plenty of cafe's that don't mind you sitting outside with your dog, as I'm sure there are pubs that would be the same.(I grew up in UK and all the local pubs allowed dogs, didn't know they didn't here)
There are places to stay that allow dogs too, just call ahead to make sure. I think there's a site with places listed, I'll post it if I find it.
Hope you enjoy your holiday.

http://www.staydoggy.com/

Thats the site I found, there could be more.

Bullseye1

It might be a useful exercise to have a database of pet friendly hotels, B&Bs and restaurants in Ireland. I would certainly find it useful for weekend breaks away.

esentziak

As your daughter is the owner of the restaurant, it will be up to her whether she allows you to walk your dog through the main dining room inside to get to the terrace!

thanks for your replies:

are you saying that Health and Safety regulations do not actually forbid dogs in restaurants and that it is up to the owners ? I did a search on the internet but I could not actually find anything about it. (although I am not going to stress my daughter by bringing our dog even if it were allowed !)

Also I presume that dogs are not allowed in pub in Ireland ? they used to let them in in the UK in the "old days", I'm not sure what's in vogue at the moment.

If I can sit at cafe and restaurant terraces with Amber, I'd better bring my winter coat ..... it's freezing in Ireland compared to Lyon.

Thanks for the tip on Wexford but we were thinking of going to Giants Causeway as we have never been.

Dominique

Zapperzy

esentziak wrote: »

As your daughter is the owner of the restaurant, it will be up to her whether she allows you to walk your dog through the main dining room inside to get to the terrace!

thanks for your replies:

are you saying that Health and Safety regulations do not actually forbid dogs in restaurants and that it is up to the owners ? I did a search on the internet but I could not actually find anything about it. (although I am not going to stress my daughter by bringing our dog even if it were allowed !)

Also I presume that dogs are not allowed in pub in Ireland ? they used to let them in in the UK in the "old days", I'm not sure what's in vogue at the moment.

If I can sit at cafe and restaurant terraces with Amber, I'd better bring my winter coat ..... it's freezing in Ireland compared to Lyon.

Thanks for the tip on Wexford but we were thinking of going to Giants Causeway as we have never been.

Dominique

I have been to the giants causeway with my dog twice and dogs are welcomed there, loads of people bring their dogs to the causeway, they are allowed everywhere there except the shops, some of the bus drivers will allow them on the buses but it's a lovely walk anyways if they don't.

Is it northern ireland or the rebublic your staying in? NI might be a bit more dog friendly, any time Iv been up there Iv seen a lot of people walking round the towns with dogs, and I have sat outside a few cafes with my dog up there.

john t

Hi, as owner of a dog im not adainst dog`s allowed in stores but if ask`d too leave we should do without any question..Trained or not only guide/ assistance/ police / sniffer type k9`s should be allowed enter premises or stores generally...

Cabaal

While I'm not agreeing either way I will say that Kildare Outlet is private property so regardless of if you were outside or not if they don't want dogs then they can legally enforce this all they want.

Shenshen

newdogowner wrote: »

Couldnt believe what happened when we dropped into Kildare Outlet on the way home from a trip to Cork.. a man actually chased me into the mini open air village asking me to remove my dog even tho i was well equipped to scoop up after him!! what discrimination... guide dogs are allowed into these places so its not as if they are anti-dog per se...
it really peed me off as i sat outside with a few others who had also been told to keep the dogs outside....

come on ireland....wake up a little....

Ok, you got chased out of one shopping complex, and all of a sudden that makes Ireland on the whole a totally dog-unfriendly country?
I have to ask you to re-consider... the amount of liberty given to dogs and dog-onwers here staggered me when I first arrived some seven years ago, and still strikes me as extremely odd and over-indulging to the animals and their owners today.

Example? In most European countries, a dog running around without any collar, tag or owner will be taken in by the authorities.
Here? The dog still runs around the neighbourhood at liberty every day while the owners are at work. The dog bit a little child last year, and for all I know there were no consequences for either dog nor owner.

Another example? Germany will fine you several hundred Euros if you don't pick up after your dog.
Here? That's totally up to the goodwill or lack thereoff of the owner.

I'm not saying that that fellow was right in demanding you leave (although I have to say the situation isn't exactly clear from your description), but that does by no means make Ireland a dog-unfriendly country.

Jinxi

Just came home from the park today. I was walking my 4 month old collie pup when we went onto the large green area. There were joggers about and I was literally reaching into my pocket to put her on a leash when another over-enthusiastic dog ran at her and she took off about 6 feet from me. The other dog ran of and Lilly looked around to try and find me. A jogger had stopped and my pup ran up and jumped up on her. She started screaming at me to control my f-ing dog and kept saying over and over how unfair it was.
I couldn't even speak. I teared up(so unlike me) and was shaking.
I walk her in the same park every day and everyone there walks their dogs off leash(unless restricted breeds or unfriendly dogs). I always put the leash on around joggers and children, but I really don't understand why if some one has such a phobia of dogs would they run in a public park full of them. I cannot bring my dog to a gym. She could run anywhere, but there is only one park in my town. She only screamed at me(and not the owner of the other dog who was hyper and aggressive).

Tootle

Jinxi wrote: »

Just came home from the park today. I was walking my 4 month old collie pup when we went onto the large green area. There were joggers about and I was literally reaching into my pocket to put her on a leash when another over-enthusiastic dog ran at her and she took off about 6 feet from me. The other dog ran of and Lilly looked around to try and find me. A jogger had stopped and my pup ran up and jumped up on her. She started screaming at me to control my f-ing dog and kept saying over and over how unfair it was.
I couldn't even speak. I teared up(so unlike me) and was shaking.
I walk her in the same park every day and everyone there walks their dogs off leash(unless restricted breeds or unfriendly dogs). I always put the leash on around joggers and children, but I really don't understand why if some one has such a phobia of dogs would they run in a public park full of them. I cannot bring my dog to a gym. She could run anywhere, but there is only one park in my town. She only screamed at me(and not the owner of the other dog who was hyper and aggressive).

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you here as a dog owner and a runner I think that runner was well within their rights to roar at you. It doesn't mean they have a phopia. It's because as far as they were concerned your dog was out of control and you could have caused them to fall. To suggest they run elsewhere is unfair. The park is public and I for one dislike gyms, and why should you have to run inside or elsewhere. When someone comes on here and makes an irrational suggestion like that about someone's dog there'd be an outcry. What about a) the runner wanting to get some fresh air and b) not running in the main roads where they have to jump into the ditch every five minutes to avoid traffic.
Much and all as it breaks my heart I will not take my pup off the lead in a busy park because due to him being, just that, a pup, I cannot garentee that he won't get distracted and run off with another dog or jump up for cuddles on someone who doesn't want him to. I'm sorry you got roared at but as a runner we get chased and barked at by that many dogs that you and your pup were tha last straw. Trying to suggest the runner run elsewhere is irrational.

Jinxi

Tootle
As stated she stopped to look at the other dog bowling over my pup. She had more than enough room to run around me and the dogs.
As you said EVERYONE has the right to be in that space. As for tripping she wasn't exactly sprinting and NO ONE has the right to roar at me or anyone.
There is a public running track in the town. There is no dog's only park.
IMHO she chose to roar at me because the owner of the other dog had a rottie on a leash and was a big guy.

Zapperzy

Shenshen wrote: »

Ok, you got chased out of one shopping complex, and all of a sudden that makes Ireland on the whole a totally dog-unfriendly country?
I have to ask you to re-consider... the amount of liberty given to dogs and dog-onwers here staggered me when I first arrived some seven years ago, and still strikes me as extremely odd and over-indulging to the animals and their owners today.

Example? In most European countries, a dog running around without any collar, tag or owner will be taken in by the authorities.
Here? The dog still runs around the neighbourhood at liberty every day while the owners are at work. The dog bit a little child last year, and for all I know there were no consequences for either dog nor owner.

Another example? Germany will fine you several hundred Euros if you don't pick up after your dog.
Here? That's totally up to the goodwill or lack thereoff of the owner.

I'm not saying that that fellow was right in demanding you leave (although I have to say the situation isn't exactly clear from your description), but that does by no means make Ireland a dog-unfriendly country.

The examples you give should not happen, they are just an example of poor laws we have in relation to animals. Dogs running free all day should be picked up by local authorities and the owners should be fined heavily and the dog removed if it happens again, but here in Ireland unfortunately laws are not strict enough and a lot of the time not enforced. I know of someone who rang the dog warden about a stray dog, he arrived with a rifle (and not a tranquilizer one) to shoot the dog dead rather than spend time and effort setting up a dog trap. Here the dog lost out, not the owner of the dog. And there should be much more enforcement of fining people who do not pick up after their dogs. In that sense I wish we more like europe.

What makes Ireland a dog unfriendly country is what people have been saying all along in this thread. Dogs (no matter how well behaved) are generally not allowed to go to the shops with their owner or sit outside a cafe/restaurant/bar while on a lead. As another poster pointed out, in france it's a regular thing for dogs to accompany their owners into restaurants/cafes/bars but here it's not allowed. This is what makes Ireland a dog unfriendly country when you compare it to countries in mainland europe.

Rigsby

Of course we are an "unfriendly" country when it comes to dogs. According to "Dogs in Distress" (see link) 16,500 healthy ones were put down in 2005. I doubt if that number has changed much since. AFAIK, this is one of the highest per head of population in western Europe.

Seems fairly "unfriendly" to me. :mad:


Link : http://www.dogsindistress.org/