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Ireland equals DOG UNFRIENDLY country
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25-07-2010 5:40pm#1
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I think there should be some kind of system whereby if your dog passes an obedience test (is there something called the good canine citizen award already in place?) it should be allowed the same privelages as a guide dog. If they were to just anounce tommorrow that all dogs were to be allowed in shops there would be war, because you'd get all sorts of dogs coming into small cramped shops and next thing you know there'd be people being bitten by unsocialised dogs.
There are dogs trained just as well as guide dogs that are just ordinary pets but not allowed to enter shops or go on public transport. My mind just boggles when I hear of dogs not being allowed into shops for health and safety reasons (if there is food being served), these places cannot refuse entry to a person with a guide dog, so is the guide dog not also a health and safety risk? Are guide dogs cleaner or do they carry less germs than your average pet dog? I too have also seen dirtier humans and it's such a pity we cannot just say ''Im sorry it is a health and safety risk if I allow you into this shop, please go home and wash yourself before coming back''!
We'd also have happier, better socialised dogs if they were allowed into shops. They'd spend more time with their humans out and about instead of being left at home cooped up alone.0 -
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I used to always bring my cat on the luas and trains and nobody ever said anything
He was too cute, and was in a cage too.
There was a guy on the luas with a ferret up his sleeve one time too . . .
And I saw a kid walk into a supermarker holding a baby lamb.
The cuter the animal, the less likely someone is to complain probably . . .0 -
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i was in bruges last year and I couldn't get over how dog friendly it was. Everyone had a dog and they could go in and out of shops as they pleased. Like the post above, saw a few large dogs in a fancy shop. All the pubs and cafes etc had bowls of water and such left out. Every dog I saw was really calm, well socialised and happy. AND i didn't see a single piece of crap on the footpaths or grass areas. It looked like heaven for dog owners
Ireland is very dog unfriendly IMO, between the lack of dog friendly facilities and the fact that bringng a dog anywhere other than a generic walk in a quiet place outside is frowned upon. I cant beleive you were stopped in the open air part of Kildare village, what a load of crap!
Just edited to add that the more I think about it, I reckon the reason bringing dogs anywhere in Ireland is frowned upon is probably because, as a nation, we have a pretty ****ty (pardon the pun) record when it comes to cleaning up after dogs. You cant go to the park or walk down a footpath here without having to hop over a few turds. I'm not saying that makes it ok but as alwyas the few bad owners make it more difficult for the rest of us. A lad on another forum explained how at the pet expo, some woman's dog poooped on front of his stall INSIDE the exhibition hall on the carpet and she trust walked on ignoring peoples calls to come back to pick it up. Now thats why we cant go into Brown Thomas with our furry buddies:D:D 0 -
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I agree dogs IN shops here isn't a great idea but the OP was stopped going into the retail outlet, not the shops themselves which was OTT in my opinion. And I don't see the harm in sitting outside a pub, cafe etc with your dog. Again, having them inside isn't a great idea but only because of the owners not having their dogs under control and trained. You have to ask yourself though how the dogs are so well behaved in other countries and it's because they're used to these circumstances. I'm sure if it was allowed here it'd be anarchy at first but given time, it'd work as well as it does in other countries. I could be wrong here but I remember a friends cousin lived in Germany for a year or two and he was telling us about pubs not only being tolerant of dogs, but some of them actively encouraged dogs. Kind of like socialisation classes with a few pints 0
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I'm 99% sure my dogs wouldn't bite kids.
But I'm pretty sure they would poo in a shop. They wouldn't know not to, and it's not their house so they probably would. I think they'd think, we're just on a walk, we're meant to . . . and I think most outdoor dogs would be the same. And a lot of unneutered male dogs would just mark their territory everywhere, even neutered ones.
And as other people mentioned, it'd be very annoying for people with allergies.
I don't think dogs should be allowed in restaurants and clothes shops because most dogs aren't trained and would be a nuisance, and doggy smell isn't very appetising and dog hair on new clothes wouldn't be nice. For supermarkets, if they are controlled by their owners then that might be ok.
I took my cat into the supermarket, but he was in a cage and unconcious after being neutered, and I met the vet in there and she checked up on him because he was just waking up. I actually took him into shops loads when I was just going to get a train with him or after getting off the train, and into supermacs in heuston station . . . he went on the train, dart, bus and luas all the time When he was a kitten I used to let him sit on my lap for some of the train journey (Dublin - Cork), because he got bored in his cage, and let him look out the window and there would be about 10 kids coming up to see him everytime. But the train host kept glaring at me, and you're not meant to have cats in the carriage so I had to start keeping him in his cage. For a while I had one of those handbags for carrying small dogs around for the cat (it was leopard print . . . ) and he was clipped onto it with a harness, because the cat carrier was too heavy to carry around. But people thought that was weird so . . . and people started recognising me as the girl with the cat on the train . . .
And I took a baby guinea pig (in a box) on the luas and train too and the people next to me were looking really scared, I think they thought it was a rat.
And in Cork anyway, old-man-pubs often have a small dog or two in them. Old people get away with having small dogs in shops too, they're usually really well behaved too.0 -
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You get plenty of Children running around like wild animals in restaurants. Why not a well behaved terrier under a chair?morganafay wrote: »I'm 99% sure my dogs wouldn't bite kids.
But I'm pretty sure they would poo in a shop. They wouldn't know not to, and it's not their house so they probably would. I think they'd think, we're just on a walk, we're meant to . . . and I think most outdoor dogs would be the same. And a lot of unneutered male dogs would just mark their territory everywhere, even neutered ones.
And as other people mentioned, it'd be very annoying for people with allergies.
I don't think dogs should be allowed in restaurants and clothes shops because most dogs aren't trained and would be a nuisance, and doggy smell isn't very appetising and dog hair on new clothes wouldn't be nice. For supermarkets, if they are controlled by their owners then that might be ok.
I took my cat into the supermarket, but he was in a cage and unconcious after being neutered, and I met the vet in there and she checked up on him because he was just waking up. I actually took him into shops loads when I was just going to get a train with him or after getting off the train, and into supermacs in heuston station . . . he went on the train, dart, bus and luas all the time When he was a kitten I used to let him sit on my lap for some of the train journey (Dublin - Cork), because he got bored in his cage, and let him look out the window and there would be about 10 kids coming up to see him everytime. But the train host kept glaring at me, and you're not meant to have cats in the carriage so I had to start keeping him in his cage. And I took a baby guinea pig (in a box) on the luas and train too and the people next to me were looking really scared, I think they thought it was a rat.
And in Cork anyway, old-man-pubs often have a small dog or two in them. Old people get away with having small dogs in shops too, they're usually really well behaved too.
Misbehaved childen and bold dogs, get them out of restaurants...
Good children and well mannered dogs can stay....0 -
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Some days I wish I could take the dog to the shop if only going up for a carton of milk or whatever, but being a Rottie I could imagine the outcry if I left her oiutside the shop while I went in
She'd probably have eaten her fill of children by the time you got out lol
I'm the same though, I couldn't leave either of my akitas tied up outside while I popped into the shop for milk and such0 -
There is no rule that you cannot bring dogs on Dublin Bus, it's at the driver's discretion. Try and look for an Eastern European driver if possible because pets are much more welcome in Europe, and don't take the bus at a busy time. You're much more likely to be let on if the bus is almost empty. It can be a bit of a lottery TBH.Qualitymark wrote: »It's all fairly recent, this. Twenty years back it was perfectly normal to bring your dog on the bus, for instance - though only if you sat upstairs.
Very true. The lottery of getting our two on buses is the only reason that OH and I have been talking about getting a car. It'd be great to be able to hop on the bus to Dollymount or Bray, but we can't guarantee being able to, and you can't bring them on Darts at all (which is a right pain).Qualitymark wrote: »A lot of people wouldn't bother to have a car except for bringing the dogs for walks - busmen are going to burn in Green Hell.
Me too! It's always when I'm out with the dogs that I remember I need milk or bread. I couldn't leave mine outside because I don't trust the local children a bit. One shopkeepr in my area will, very kindly, get your teabags or whatever and bring them to the door for you.Some days I wish I could take the dog to the shop if only going up for a carton of milk or whatever, but being a Rottie I could imagine the outcry if I left her oiutside the shop while I went in0 -
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Very true. The lottery of getting our two on buses is the only reason that OH and I have been talking about getting a car. It'd be great to be able to hop on the bus to Dollymount or Bray, but we can't guarantee being able to, and you can't bring them on Darts at all (which is a right pain).
That's bad that you can't bring them on Darts. I'd make some kind of sign to attach to their leads that says something like, "dogs for the disabled" and then nobody would argue . . . 0 -
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