Why do people keep rottweiler and pitbulls?

Barr

I see these when I’m walking and often wonder why people buy these.

Perhaps someone could enlighten me, as I can’t see the appeal

antocann

thats the same as asking why do people keep pmeranians or jackrussels

Ricardo G

I have a staffie (i know its not a pitbull) and he is a loveable and honest dog, my father had them all his life and swore by there loyalty to their owners. As good and reliable as any dog. There is an element of people that use them to enhance their image which is why they get such a bad reputation these are not dog lovers !! We had a labrador in our family for years when she suddenly decided to turn on a family member, needless to say she is no longer here.


Why do you think people keep these dogs OP?

Barr

antocann wrote: »

thats the same as asking why do people keep pmeranians or jackrussels

Not really the same league.

antocann

owners (responsible)can care for these dogs , its the owners fault if the dog is vicous ,
there as loyal as any other dog and great dogs,

Ricardo G

Treat any dog in a bad way and they all turn out the same !! Obviously if a Pit bull attacks in comparison to a Jack russel than there's a difference but again its the owners responsibility to ensure their dogs are treated well. A dog does'nt decide to be vicious !

Cherry Blossom

Barr wrote: »

I see these when I’m walking and often wonder why people buy these.

Perhaps someone could enlighten me, as I can’t see the appeal

As there aren't many pit bulls in Ireland I suspect what you're seeing are Staffordshire bull terriers which are absolutly great with with kids. My cousin has one, sweetest dog I ever met, the kid's climb all over her and she's just delighted with all the attention.

Dog's like these have a bit of a reputation, but problems occur with the owners more than the dogs. One of my neighbours had 2 rotties and a jack russell and all three dogs escaped on one occasion and it resulted in the death of a horse which worried me a lot having horses myself, all 3 disappeared shortly after the incident. It wasn't a case of bad dogs though, just bad owners.

My own golden labrador was found bleeding on the doorstep one morning having been attacked by a pack of greyhounds, he had over 20 lacerations on his body, 7 of them were in to the bone and his ear was hanging off, he was attacked in his own yard, so I could say why do people keep greyhounds? I don't though - I say why are these people allowed to have dogs? :mad: These people had no sence of responsibility whatsoever, on one occassion I found their 2 and half year old todder wandering around on his own a mile from home with 2 of the dogs!:eek: The greyhounds wern't destroyed after this incident but the people did move shortly afterwards as their house was repossessed, that's karma for you

Barr

I always thought these dogs were vicious by nature - maybe I'm wrong?

Xiney

These breeds aren't vicious by nature, no.

They seem to attract the wrong kinds of owners sometimes though, and can, like almost any other dog, be turned vicious.

EGAR

My Pit Bull Bogey is so vicious by nature, he smooches you until you beg for mercy.



Having owned, rescued and rehomed many Pit Bulls and Rottweiler etc I think you will find that you are a victim of the media.

Perhaps its time you change the papers you read?

Kinky Slinky

They look impressive. Security reasons .

Ricardo G

Barr wrote: »

I always thought these dogs were vicious by nature - maybe I'm wrong?

If these dogs were vicious by nature who the hell would want one in fairness? This is where naievity/ignorance enters the equation, people make up there own minds without doing research on the breed of dog. I can understand why when the media blow it out of proportion! How many Jack russel / labrador/ poodle etc attacks are published or aired??

EGAR

I can assure you I rehome dogs solely as pets and none of the dogs I rehomed are used as security. With my own dogs: you run a bigger risk of being bitten by my old Lurcher than any of my Bull Breeds.

Barr

Why are they excluded by every insurance pollicy by the Dangerous Dogs Act if they are so good natured

Xiney

Ignorance, pure and simple.

Ricardo G

Barr wrote: »

Why are they excluded by every insurance pollicy by the Dangerous Dogs Act if they are so good natured

I dont understand !! what do you mean excluded from every insurance policy?

Barr

Ricardo G wrote: »

I dont understand !! what do you mean excluded from every insurance policy?

Read your house policy.

IvySlayer

Barr wrote: »

Why are they excluded by every insurance pollicy by the Dangerous Dogs Act if they are so good natured

That Act is a pile of ****e. Media portrayal - PC Brigade - Bandwagon - PDs getting wind of it - supporting this ****e for votes - Dangerous Dogs Act..

There are no bad dogs, only bad owners.

Ricardo G

Because of their affinity for children, Staffordshire Bull Terriers are sometimes known as “Nanny Dogs” in England

coupled with its affection for its friends (and children in particular), its off-duty quietness and trustworthy stability, make it a foremost all-purpose dog

Wikepedia description !!

Overheal

Barr wrote: »

Why are they excluded by every insurance pollicy by the Dangerous Dogs Act if they are so good natured

the same reason pot is illegal: the media.

Films like Reefer Madness: not proven science, paved the way for its prohibition.



Similarly Pit Bulls have been deomonized in the media for frequently appearing as vicious dogs: however anyone in the breeding world will tell you thats the result of the owner. The Pit Bull (like the Rotweiler) is attractive for is sheer mass and strength as an attack dog. And how do those degenerate owners achieve the result they're looking for? Hit and abuse their dog, until often even they cannot approach the dog without fear of being mauled.



Every Pit Bull and Rot I've known have been nothing but loving and friendly though obviously they are very high energy dogs. You'd get tired before they would playing tug of war, but they love it. Otherwise they're just as happy to lick your face. I've met more chihuahua's, poodles, and cats that have a more vicious temperament. Rotts in particular have wonderful personalities in my experience.



And unfortunately its for that misconception that they have been labeled a dangerous animal. I've never been fearful of either breed unless the dog in question actually displayed aggression.

EGAR

Sigh, Ireland DOES NOT HAVE a Dangerous Dogs Act (OP, perhaps you ought to educate yourself before you come barging in here with your prejudices).

Ireland has a Restricted Breeds Act with alot more breeds on it than just the two you mentioned.

As a rescue I have a general insurance which INCLUDES restricted breeds.

So back to the drawing board, OP.

I for one am going to bed now. So much ignorance is tiring .

NN.

Barr

EGAR wrote: »

Sigh, Ireland DOES NOT HAVE a Dangerous Dogs Act (OP, perhaps you ought to educate yourself before you come barging in here with your prejudices).

Ireland has a Restricted Breeds Act with alot more breeds on it than just the two you mentioned.

As a rescue I have a general insurance which INCLUDES restricted breeds.

So back to the drawing board, OP.

I for one am going to bed now. So much ignorance is tiring .

NN.

Why do Irish Insurers follow the act so , prehaps its the work of fiction if its not irish?

Overheal

Oh be nice, Egar. She's asking, don't be mean.

Why do Irish Insurers follow the act so , prehaps its the work of fiction?

I dont pretend to know either way, but, the Irish follow everyone else's lead on everything. "Oh the British are doing it, maybe we should too!" etc. etc.

actually another reason to legislate against the breeds is advocation by law enforcement: drug dealers and other criminals frequently employ attack-trained dogs to defend drug and weapon stashes, and to in some cases specifically target uniformed officers. Legislation against the breed restricts, controls, and monitors who owns them, partial to that purpose.

Barr

Overheal wrote: »

Oh be nice, Egar. She's asking, don't be mean. I dont pretend to know either way, but, the Irish follow everyone else's lead on everything. "Oh the British are doing it, maybe we should too!" etc. etc.

Oh right , that clears things up - thanks

Bonito

Bad vibes about them because of thugs using them for protection/fighting etc. Why do the use them? Well compared to a "normal" pet dog of a lab or a terrier or corgie or whatever, they're unbelievably strong and have a very high pain threshold before they'll back away. Thugs wont get this from a terrier or a lab.

Aside from this they are as just as loving and loveable as a lab or terrier. Don't judge the dog, judge the owner.

amacachi

Barr wrote: »

Why are they excluded by every insurance pollicy by the Dangerous Dogs Act if they are so good natured

Why was divorce illegal here until 1996? Just about any animal will be good natured if raised properly.

Barr

amacachi wrote: »

Why was divorce illegal here until 1996? Just about any animal will be good natured if raised properly.

So ur equating divorce with dangerous dogs:D

Bonito

Barr wrote: »

So ur equating divorce with dangerous dogs:D

You're tarring every single rottweiler and pitbull to be dangerous, I don't think you should be allowed to nit pick other people's posts to be perfectly honest.

Ricardo G

Are you planning on getting a pit bull or rottie OP??, people have explained to you about the behaviour and traits of these dogs yet i dont think you really want to accept the truth, trying to find fault with the dog rather than the owners !! Your a hard one to make out lol

Barr

Bonito wrote: »

You're tarring every single rottweiler and pitbull to be dangerous, I don't think you should be allowed to nit pick other people's posts to be perfectly honest.

I'm not, just looking for an insight into any owners. Why not buy a King Charles or such if u want affection from a dog.

Bonito

Barr wrote: »

I'm not, just looking for an insight into any owners. Why not buy a King Charles or such if u want affection from a dog.

You can get affection from any dog. Just because a charles looks cute it doesn't mean they can't be vicious little feckers. I know more smaller dogs than big dogs,like staffs, rotts and pitts, that are more aggressive.

Overheal

Barr wrote: »

I'm not, just looking for an insight into any owners. Why not buy a King Charles if u want affection from a dog.

They aren't even comparable!!

Thats a little lap dog. The owner of a Rott or a Pit Bull likes to play around with their dog. I love playing tug with the big breeds and even having a little bit of a loving wrestle.

I've tried to do as much with my friend's retreivers but they're just so laid back they don't get into it. My mom's Tibetan terrier despite its size also just likes to laze about unless im teasing it with something. Granted her Austrian Shepphard is full of life but she's kinda tiny too. Again, Rotts and Pit Bulls have their own complexion, energy, and personality.

heno86

ironically for all the tough guy image that pitbulls have they are actually not considered a great security dog because of their friendly disposition towards people,in many cases burglars have been greeted with a wagging tail as oppposed to bared teeth...the breed is rated as one of the most reliable dogs as far as people aggression goes because any pitbull that showed any aggression towards people was immediately culled and removed from the breeding program in the old days,the reputation pitbulls have is from their possible aggression towards other dogs or animals but as these dogs are no longer bred to fight(excluding the scum of the earth of course) this is becoming less and less of a breed trait therefore leaving us with the american staffordshire terrier(the show strain of the american pitbull terrier) as an owner of two "pitbulls" personally the appeal for me is a ridiculously friendly, intelligent and loyal dog who could potentially have ended up with scumbag owners using them as a status symbol or worse,fighting them to the death the problem is not the dogs it's scumbag owners and ill informed owners...know your breed pro's and con's an behave accordingly

jill_valentine

I think the issue isn't so much with the dog's temperament as it is with the capacity of a particular breed to do harm in the unlikely event that the worst should happen.

adser53

you don't seem to want to accept what's been explained to youover and over OP. these breeds are ripped apart in the media because it sells papers and the ignorant people perceive itto be true. you clearly have no experience with these, or any RBs. just because some scumbags mistreat their dogs to make them vicious doesn't mean they are naturally this way. and asking why people want to own them in the first place is no different to asking why anyone wants any breed, or any animal for that matter. have you a dog?if you do,why did you pick the breed you did?

also, we don't have the dangerous dog act here in the first place. that bit of BS legislation is in the UK

TooManyDogs

I wonder if this thread was started as a troll...... Not sure what answer the OP is looking for

andreac

Barr wrote: »

Why are they excluded by every insurance pollicy by the Dangerous Dogs Act if they are so good natured

They arent, you have your facts wrong. Do you mean pet insurance? Its restricted breeds by the way, not dangerous dog act.:rolleyes:

i-digress

Barr wrote: »

I'm not, just looking for an insight into any owners. Why not buy a King Charles or such if u want affection from a dog.

Not all dogs are interchangeable. Each breed has different characteristics. I have a labrador, even though she is a lot of work for me because I have a long term illness and they need more exercise than a lhasa apso or a chiuaua. However, a lhasa isn't as intelligent as a lab and chiuaua's tend to bond with one person as opposed to a family. Yet all three are loving breeds. All dog breeds have their own personality. I love labs and my girl suits me.

I would imagine it is the same for restricted breed's. Rotties (correct me if I'm wrong) have quite a stubborn streak, are very intelligent, and like to be active, so they suit active people with lots of time to train them. They are great family pets, and are often used as therapy dogs because they are gentle. In America rotties are among the top ten family pets.

It annoys me that responsible owners are lumped in with irresponsible ones. And it's not just restricted breeds that suffer. My lab is chocolate (I sometimes think people don't know that labs come in any colour other than yellow! :rolleyes:) and when I was walking her a couple of weeks ago a woman said to me. 'They're lovely as pups, but be careful or she'll eat you in your bed when she's older.' Words fail.

andreac

Barr wrote: »

So ur equating divorce with dangerous dogs:D

Why do you think these breeds are dangerous?? Any dog can be dangerous, you cant generalise because YOU think they look dangerous. Its people like you that gives this amazing dogs a bad name.:mad::mad:

andreac

i-digress wrote: »

I would imagine it is the same for restricted breed's. Rotties (correct me if I'm wrong) have quite a stubborn streak, are very intelligent, and like to be active, so they suit active people with lots of time to train them. QUOTE]

I have to correct you there actually:D, i wouldnt find rotties stubborn at all.

i-digress

andreac wrote: »

i-digress wrote: »

I would imagine it is the same for restricted breed's. Rotties (correct me if I'm wrong) have quite a stubborn streak, are very intelligent, and like to be active, so they suit active people with lots of time to train them. QUOTE]

I have to correct you there actually:D, i wouldnt find rotties stubborn at all.

Oh ok, sorry! I just got the impression from reading this forum and others that they were a little harder to train than other dogs, despite being so intelligent. Anyway they're a lovely breed

andreac

i-digress wrote: »

andreac wrote: »

Oh ok, sorry! I just got the impression from reading this forum and others that they were a little harder to train than other dogs, despite being so intelligent. Anyway they're a lovely breed

I wouldnt say stubborn but they do need a lot of training and socialisation as they are a big strong breed, but i wouldnt find them stubborn. In fact i found my rottie very easy to train. Yes, they are a fab breed:D

antomagoo

Our Rottie is a little stubborn but we're working on it. In terms of training she is fantastic, picks stuff up very very quickly and you get a great feeling when you see her start to correct herself before you even say anything.

As far as why people own Rotties/Bull breeds? Well speaking for myself I love the Rottie breed, cant really explain it. And its only a breed I fell in love with after seeing a friends Rottie and getting to know her. Temperment is fantastic, really friendly, respond great to training, loyalty, list goes on

The OH was very wary of big dogs untill she got to experience them up close at the rescue. Most family and friends were also wary when we said we were adopting a Rottie, but she has changed everyones opinon (misinformed opinon;)) of the breed

How can you not love a dog this good looking

Doom

antocann wrote: »

thats the same as asking why do people keep pmeranians or jackrussels

ha ha thats are useless comparison, i've yet to see a chicken sh*t scumbag with a jack russel or pmeranian;)

antomagoo

Doom wrote: »

ha ha thats are useless comparison, i've yet to see a chicken sh*t scumbag with a jack russel or pmeranian;)

Not really in fairness Doom, point being made was that its just down to preference, Oasis vrs Blur that sort of thing

andreac

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My rottie

antomagoo

Great looking dog andreac

Heres something I came across recently

http://www.workingpitbull.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL1trl1FMUw

Sorry if this has been posted before

lisar201

Barr wrote: »

I always thought these dogs were vicious by nature - maybe I'm wrong?

Very wrong!I have an 8 moth old rottie is the most sweetest and gentle dog ever she wouldn't say boo to a fly!she is a big softie!My grandmother also breed rotties for years.(And she breed them until she was in her 70's .so if their such a vicious dog do you think a little old woman would have kept 2 or 3 at a time)As kids we used to pull out of them and try ride on them like horse and never even a sound out of them not even a bark!It's the irresponsable few owners that have made the papers and thats why they have the repuation. Like i don't particularly like Chihuahua's and from my experience they are ill tempered ankle biters and thats what some ppl like.And when they do bite you their owners are like "ah shes only playing" and the dog gets away with it because of their size. but because rotties are a bigger stronger dog and they did it there would be uproar or "that dog tried to kill me" Personally i have found from out and about and at obdience classes it all the little lapdogs that cause most of the trouble and are the most badly behaved. Dogs only turn aggressive and vicious from the way they are treated by their owners and that can happen with any breed not just restricted ones,

cocker5

andreac wrote: »

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My rottie

he is stunning looking!!
Beautiful face

lisar201

Barr wrote: »

I'm not, just looking for an insight into any owners. Why not buy a King Charles or such if u want affection from a dog.

Just because it on a restricted list are saying doesn't make it affectionate?Please do some research and come back look up wicapedia for rottweilers please and then come back

andreac

cocker5 wrote: »

he is stunning looking!!
Beautiful face

Thank you, i think so too