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jurgenscarl wrote: »The Aleya film taken minutes after the assassination clearly shows the Dallas PD recovering the Mannlicher-Carcano from it's hiding place among the book cartons:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=249DTnfrKMo
I already posted a photo of a detective carrying the same rifle out of the building:
There is no doubt whatsoever that the rifle recovered from the TSBD was a Mannlicher Carcano 6.5mm bolt action rifle.
This is another picture of the weapon.
It was not a Mauser.
It is a Mannlicher-Carcano.
Hmm this evidence is a little odd and I would hope it's correct as that would clear something up for me that bugged after reading a couple of books on the assignation and Nixon. One point that is mentioned is the discrepancy regarding the rifles:
The below is all relevant but I've highlighted the most pertinent issuepages 98 & 99
A great deal of confusion surrounded this second-rate Italian rifle because there was compelling evidence that it was not the weapon found in the assassin's lair shortly after the assassination. Officer Seymour Weitzman, part of the Dallas police search team, later described the discovery of the rifle on the afternoon of November 22. He stated that it had been so well hidden under boxes of books that the officers stumbled over it many times before they found it. Officer Weitzman, who had an engineering degree and also operated a sporting goods store, was recognized as an authority on weapons. Consequently, Dallas Homicide Chief Will Fritz, who was on the scene, asked him the make of the rifle. Weitzman identified it as a 7.65 Mauser, a highly accurate German-made weapon. Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig was also there and later recalled the word "Mauser" inscribed in the metal of the gun. And Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boone executed a sworn affidavit in which he described the rifle as a Mauser. As late as midnight of November 22, Dallas District Attorney Henry Wade told the media that the weapon found was a Mauser.
There is, of course, a significant difference between a first-class Mauser and a cheap mail-order Mannlicher-Carcano. It should have been simple to know which weapon had been found. However, to complicate the issue, three empty cartridges from a Mannlicher-Carcano were found in the same room as the Mauser. They were near the easternmost sixth-floor window, close together and almost parallel to each other. Although this arrangement made them easy to find, it defied what any experienced user of rifles knows: that when a rifle is fired, the cartridge is flung violently away. A neat distribution pattern of cartridges like the one found on the sixth floor of the Depository is virtually impossible. It strongly suggested to me that the cartridges were never fired from the assassin's lair but were planted near the window, presumably having been fired earlier elsewhere, so that bullet fragments found in the President's limousine could be described as having come from the Carcano.
There were other problems with the story that the Mannlicher-Carcano had been the murder weapon. For instance, no ammunition clip was ever found. The clip is the device that feeds the cartridges into the rifle's firing chamber. Without such a clip, the cartridges have to be loaded by hand, making fast shooting such as Oswald was alleged to have done impossible. The Warren Commission skirted this problem by never confronting that fact.
Complicating the matter even further, the Mannlicher-Carcano triumphantly produced as the "assassin's rifle" was found to have a badly misaligned sight. So badly was the sight out of line with the barrel that an adjustment was necessary before government riflemen could complete their test firing. Even so, no rifle expert was ever able to duplicate the feat the government attributed to Lee Oswald.
Despite these problems, when the smoke cleared and all the law enforcement authorities in Dallas had their stories duly in order, the official position was that the rifle found on the sixth floor of the Depository was the Mannlicher-Carcano, which allegedly was linked to Oswald under an alias, and not the Mauser, which disappeared forever shortly after it reached the hands of Captain Fritz.
But even this revision of the official story did not explain the third rifle. A film taken by Dallas Cinema Associates, an independent film company, showed a scene of the Book Depository shortly after the assassination. Police officers on the fire escape were bringing down a rifle from the roof above the sixth floor with the tender care you might give an infant. When the policemen reached the ground, a high-ranking officer held the rifle high for everyone to see. The camera zoomed in for a close-up. Beneath the picture was the legend, "The Assassin's Rifle." When I saw the film, I noted that this rifle had no sight mounted on it. Thus it could not have been either the Carcano or the vanished Mauser, both of which had sights.
I was not surprised to find that this third rifle, like the Mauser, had disappeared. But its existence confirmed my hypothesis that Lee Oswald could not have killed John Kennedy as the American public had been told. Setting aside the evidence of two other weapons on the scene, the incredibly accurate shooting of an incredibly inaccurate rifle within an impossible time frame was merely the beginning of the feat we were asked to believe Oswald had accomplished.
But your picture shows a sight mounted very clearly - how could Garrison have missed the sight? It's huge and clear or am I missing something?0 -
jurgenscarl wrote: »The Aleya film taken minutes after the assassination clearly shows the Dallas PD recovering the Mannlicher-Carcano from it's hiding place among the book cartons:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=249DTnfrKMo
I already posted a photo of a detective carrying the same rifle out of the building:
There is no doubt whatsoever that the rifle recovered from the TSBD was a Mannlicher Carcano 6.5mm bolt action rifle.
This is another picture of the weapon.
It was not a Mauser.
It is a Mannlicher-Carcano.
Yes. Two nice pictures of a Mannlicher-Carcano. The gun found in the depository was a Mauser 7.65 though.0 -
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Tom Alyea's own footage of the discovery of the rifle shows the rifle to be a Mannlicher- Carcano as do photos of the rifle in place
This is Weitzmans testimony to the Commission
Mr. BALL. In the statement that you made to the Dallas Police Department that afternoon, you referred to the rifle as a 7.65 Mauser bolt action?
Mr. WEITZMAN. In a glance, that's what it looked like.
Mr. BALL. That's what it looked like did you say that or someone else say that?
Mr. WEITZMAN. No; I said that. I thought it was one .
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Mr. BALL. I understand that. Now, in your statement to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, you gave a description of the rifle, how it looked.
Mr. WEITZMAN. I said it was a Mauser-type action, didn't I?
Mr. BALL. Mauser bolt action.
Mr. WEITZMAN. And at the time I looked at it, I believe I said it was 2.5 scope on it and I believe I said it was a Weaver but it wasn't; it turned out to be anything but a Weaver, but that was at a glance ).
This is Boones evidence
Mr. BOONE. Yes, I did. And at first, not knowing what it was, I thought it was 7.65 Mauser.
Mr. BALL. Who referred to it as a Mauser that day?
Mr. BOONE. I believe Captain Fritz
This is Craigs story to the LA free press in 1968
FP: Did you handle that rifle?
RC: Yes, I did. I couldn't give its name because I don't know foreign rifles, I know it was foreign made, and you loaded it downward into a built-in clip. The ID man took it and ejected one live round from it. The scope was facing north, the bolt facing upwards and the trigger south.
But there was another rifle, a Mauser, found up on the roof of the depository that afternoon.
This is his subsequent story
"Lt. Day inspected the rifle briefly, then handed it to Capt. Fritz who had a puzzled look on his face. Seymour Weitzman, a deputy constable, was astanding beside me at the time. Weitzman was an expert on weapons. He had been in the sporting goods business for many years and was familiar with all domestic and foreign weapons. Capt. Fritz asked if anyone knew what kind of rifle it was. Weitzman asked to see it. After a close examination (much longer than Fritz or Day's examination) Weitzman declared that it was a 7.65 German Mauser. Fritz agreed with him"
So the stories of all of these witnesses of the rifle is inconsistent, except for the actual pictures of the discovery of the rifle which show that it wasnt a Mauser.
Sorry for going off topic here but one post since joining in May 2005! Has to be a record
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Shudder, The What commission. Less said the better.jurgenscarl wrote: »Completely irrelevant.
The Warren Commission, The Rockerfeller Commission, The US House Select Committee on Assassinations and Ramsey Clarke Panel all examined the physical evidence thoroughly and came to same conclusions.
Oswald acted alone, fired three shots killing JFK and wounding Governor Connally.
The physical evidence that Oswald fired the shots is absolutely overwhelming.
The reason the lone -gunman theory Had to be used was due to federal law, any assassination involving more than one gunman becomes a federal investigation. A lone gunman stays in the state where it occured i.e Texas.
Who benefited most from the assassination (motive)?. Who had their power base in Texas?. There was a latent print found in the Depository which was identified many years later and promptly disregarded. The print belonged to Malcolm Wallace who previously was found guilty of 1st degree murder and recieved a 5yr SUSPENED sentence. Who was he the hatchet man for?.
Winky winky.
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