jfk taken out by mob??? **Contains Graphic Images**

wuben

has anyone heard this about jfk killed by mob??

Myrddin

Nonsense, we all know the cigarette smoking man carried out that assignment

In reality? I wouldnt put it past the Mob/CIA or other government body at the time.

TalkieWalkie

I presume by mob, you mean mafia. The mafia were the CIA. I'm not sure who killed the man but it was ordered by bush snr. It certainly wasn't Oswald.

peanuthead

have heard that story, and after standing at the site of the killing listening to the dude that stands there with those booklets (and even bought one) I kinda believe it

Myrddin

Isnt it widely believed that Oswald was just the fall guy? I think even most US citizens believe there was a second gunman involved in it.

Latchy

JFK assassinated by the Mob , Cia ,Hoover ,Fbi,Castro ,Cuban Exciles Russians , lone nut Oswald .....take your pick

humanji

EnterNow wrote: »

Isnt it widely believed that Oswald was just the fall guy? I think even most US citizens believe there was a second gunman involved in it.

There's 3 main belief's: 1) Someone else shot him and Oswald was the patsy, 2) Oswald shot him but was part of a larger conspiracy, and 3) Oswald shot him and acted alone.

Personally, I'd side with option 2, thought I don't assume that it can't be anything else. JFK made a lot of enemies, so pinning it down to one group is a tough task. If it were a larger conspiracy, the mob would rate fairly high up there. They hated the entire kennedy clan and taking out the highest profile member would send a hell of a message to them. Robert Kennedy (as attorney general) didn't give up his fight against the mob and when he seemed likely to move into a more powerful position, he was taken out too.

Then again, both could have been killed by lone sociopaths in two unrelated shootings. Who knows?

TalkieWalkie

Good old Bill has a humorous take on it...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1123478329757426695&hl=en#

Zombienosh

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

Good old Bill has a humorous take on it...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1123478329757426695&hl=en#

back and to the left

mysterious

Oh I'm back after that ban:rolleyes:

Jfk was taken out for exposing the truth end of. It was only a matter of time before the CIA and secret service were gonna take him out. In fact it was planned for quite some time, since his death was a ritual, like 9/11, Diana and among many other traumatic events to "traumatize" the nations of nations.

Same ol same ol,

Question is, can the people of "boards" .ie handle the truth.

digme

A death star above the earth controlled by Iran took him out.

Myrddin

mysterious wrote: »

Jfk was taken out for exposing the truth end of.

What did he expose?

TalkieWalkie

EnterNow wrote: »

What did he expose?

I believe he was goint to expose the truth about secret societies and who controls America.

This is said to be the speech that ultimately got him killed..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces

Myrddin

I had never heard that speech before. Wow, what a speech, and what a president. Half way through it, I was thinking maybe this is about Communism and its growth in the US & around the world, but I dont think thats what it was about at all now.

How could such an openly democratic man, be gunned down in cold blood, with impunity like the way he was? Its likely we will NEVER know the truth about what happened, but his words in that speech ring true today - probably more so than when they were spoken

todolist

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

I believe he was goint to expose the truth about secret societies and who controls America.

This is said to be the speech that ultimately got him killed..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces

I think President Kennedy was refering to the Soviet Union in this speech.That's my take on it anyway.JFK was a hell of a speech maker.Superb.

mrgardener

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

I believe he was goint to expose the truth about secret societies and who controls America.

This is said to be the speech that ultimately got him killed..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces

He was talking about communism and the soviet union.
Isn't it obvious?

mysterious

mrgardener wrote: »

He was talking about communism and the soviet union.
Isn't it obvious?

lol...

Di0genes

humanji wrote: »

There's 3 main belief's: 1) Someone else shot him and Oswald was the patsy, 2) Oswald shot him but was part of a larger conspiracy, and 3) Oswald shot him and acted alone.

Hmmm take it you like James Elroy?

Oswald was unstable. And while he achieved the Marine grade of Marksman while enlisted, however by the time of his discharge he was not allowed to handle a firearm.

He attempted to defect to the USSR who declined to accept him until he attempted suicide.

Several weeks before he killed kennedy he tried to kill an extreme right wing radio host.

Does this sound like someone the mafia would hire to kill Kennedy.

mrgardener

mysterious wrote: »

Oh I'm back after that ban:rolleyes:

Jfk was taken out for exposing the truth end of. It was only a matter of time before the CIA and secret service were gonna take him out. In fact it was planned for quite some time, since his death was a ritual, like 9/11, Diana and among many other traumatic events to "traumatize" the nations of nations.

Same ol same ol,

Question is, can the people of "boards" .ie handle the truth.

Evidently not. lol

Black Swan

I'm generally skeptical when viewing most of the CTs on this forum, along with the sensationalism and incredible sources most often cited. Many posters are probably bored like me, and want a little spice in their life beyond watching a boring telly soup rerun. But the JFK assassination seems problematic, and just too coincidentally convenient not to be fertile ground for CT theories. For example, wasn't it just too convenient for:

• Oswald kills JFK
• Immediately followed by Ruby killing Oswald before he can be questioned
• Followed by Ruby dying in prison without full disclosure of motives?

It's just too coincidentally convenient? Was JFK's assassination due to 2 nuts in a row, or a mob hit, or Castro getting back at JFK for the Bay of Pigs, or from smoke filled back rooms of the US power elite? No one will ever know for sure, except those directly involved.

Brown Bomber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we2eucWXqjg

mysterious

mrgardener wrote: »

Evidently not. lol

Oh says you.:rolleyes:

mysterious

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

I'm generally skeptical when viewing most of the CTs on this forum, along with the sensationalism and incredible sources most often cited. Many posters are probably bored like me, and want a little spice in their life beyond watching a boring telly soup rerun. But the JFK assassination seems problematic, and just too coincidentally convenient not to be fertile ground for CT theories. For example, wasn't it just too convenient for:

• Oswald kills JFK
• Immediately followed by Ruby killing Oswald before he can be questioned
• Followed by Ruby dying in prison without full disclosure of motives?

It's just too coincidentally convenient? Was JFK's assassination due to 2 nuts in a row, or a mob hit, or Castro getting back at JFK for the Bay of Pigs, or from smoke filled back rooms of the US power elite? No one will ever know for sure, except those directly involved.

Truth is known, people can't handle the truth.;)

Black Swan

mysterious wrote: »

Truth is known, people can't handle the truth.;)

The CTs and humour continues... See the film "The Rock?" Nicolas Cage has a line about discovering who really assassinated JFK at the end of the film.

mysterious

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

The CTs and jokes continue... See the film "The Rock?" Nicolas Cage has a line about discovering who really assassinated JFK at the end of the film.

This is not a joke, I can handle it, this forum is stuck in the 90s when it comes to these issues. There isn't any point in "trying" to show you the truth, you will do anything to Run a MILE from it.

The hell we see is our heaven, is our reality. JFK was a ritual murder like many high placed events and deaths.

Guess what date jesus's birthday is. Again the truth is so mind boggling, it could give you a nervous breakdown. JFK was going to be killed he knew that. Why do you think he went against the whole government.

They control everything you see hear, read and know in your mind. Everything you learn, and pick up in schools and T.V has conditioned you to think and believe in a certain way. This is the craziest reality ever created. It's quite frankly the best designed hologram for chaos to thrive in. Tptb, have time travel, technology far more advanced than you WILL ever know lol..

The only thing they dont have, is love. Love is what keeps this universe breathing and alive. They want to warp this universe into their fantasy heaven, and thus creating this world as we know it, into a complete hell on earth. The all seeing eye controls this earth which is the most poweful entity in this universe before the crown (or god). It will manifest soon. It's too late, the entire planet is already mind fuccked as it is. most will die and the **** will hit the fan. You can of course choose to not believe that, but what is any of you going to do about it.

Didn't see many wake up on 9/11. They still think it was a few guys in a bloody cave.

it's all happening now. So it's actually absurd that people are trying to figure out after 40 years who killed JFK.:rolleyes: It's the same people running the world for the last 12,000 years. They are not seen or known by you or anyone out there.

Even now I bet your shaking heads. That's why its all working down to plan. Literally. Its why they can have such precision when it comes to killing JFK and Diana in such genius ways to their liking. She hit the 13th pillar in the diana goddess tunnel lol. People have no idea.... lmao. Just like JFK.

It was some man who was crazy who just had to get JFk.
Just like it's some paparazzi kiling Diana accidently,
Just like afghani caveman just so happened to take over New york Aerospace with plastic knives!!!!

Yet all occult rituals.


it's horrible the crap I have to see in this world as to what people will believe when it comes to the one truth of what we really are and born to be in this world. The only truth I see evidently here is we live for the lie.

Thats the reality now.

Di0genes

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

I'm generally skeptical when viewing most of the CTs on this forum, along with the sensationalism and incredible sources most often cited. Many posters are probably bored like me, and want a little spice in their life beyond watching a boring telly soup rerun. But the JFK assassination seems problematic, and just too coincidentally convenient not to be fertile ground for CT theories. For example, wasn't it just too convenient for:

• Oswald kills JFK

why is that "convenient".

• Immediately followed by Ruby killing Oswald before he can be questioned

Oswald was questioned for two full days before he was shot by Ruby.

Followed by Ruby dying in prison without full disclosure of motives?

He was an avid kennedy fan, including Jacquiline, was convinced he'd be seen as hero and get a minimal sentence and was also on the drug phenmetrazine at the time of the shooting.

It's just too coincidentally convenient?

None of the above are a coincidences

Myrddin

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

I'm generally skeptical when viewing most of the CTs on this forum, along with the sensationalism and incredible sources most often cited. Many posters are probably bored like me, and want a little spice in their life beyond watching a boring telly soup rerun. But the JFK assassination seems problematic, and just too coincidentally convenient not to be fertile ground for CT theories. For example, wasn't it just too convenient for:

• Oswald kills JFK
• Immediately followed by Ruby killing Oswald before he can be questioned
• Followed by Ruby dying in prison without full disclosure of motives?

It's just too coincidentally convenient? Was JFK's assassination due to 2 nuts in a row, or a mob hit, or Castro getting back at JFK for the Bay of Pigs, or from smoke filled back rooms of the US power elite? No one will ever know for sure, except those directly involved.

The first rule of assasination - kill the assasin. I too dont put a lot of faith in conspiracies, but this one does hold merit. Too many unanswered questions, too many people connected to it that died.

mysterious wrote: »

This is not a joke, I can handle it, this forum is stuck in the 90s when it comes to these issues. There isn't any point in "trying" to show you the truth, you will do anything to Run a MILE from it.

The hell we see is our heaven, is our reality. JFK was a ritual murder like many high placed events and deaths.

Guess what date jesus's birthday is. Again the truth is so mind boggling, it could give you a nervous breakdown. JFK was going to be killed he knew that. Why do you think he went against the whole government.

They control everything you see hear, read and know in your mind. Everything you learn, and pick up in schools and T.V has conditioned you to think and believe in a certain way. This is the craziest reality ever created. It's quite frankly the best designed hologram for chaos to thrive in. Tptb, have time travel, technology far more advanced than you WILL ever know lol..

The only thing they dont have, is love. Love is what keeps this universe breathing and alive. They want to warp this universe into their fantasy heaven, and thus creating this world as we know it, into a complete hell on earth. The all seeing eye controls this earth which is the most poweful entity in this universe before the crown (or god). It will manifest soon. It's too late, the entire planet is already mind fuccked as it is. most will die and the **** will hit the fan. You can of course choose to not believe that, but what is any of you going to do about it.

Didn't see many wake up on 9/11. They still think it was a few guys in a bloody cave.

it's all happening now. So it's actually absurd that people are trying to figure out after 40 years who killed JFK.:rolleyes: It's the same people running the world for the last 12,000 years. They are not seen or known by you or anyone out there.

Even now I bet your shaking heads. That's why its all working down to plan. Literally. Its why they can have such precision when it comes to killing JFK and Diana in such genius ways to their liking. She hit the 13th pillar in the diana goddess tunnel lol. People have no idea.... lmao. Just like JFK.

It was some man who was crazy who just had to get JFk.
Just like it's some paparazzi kiling Diana accidently,
Just like afghani caveman just so happened to take over New york Aerospace with plastic knives!!!!

Yet all occult rituals.


it's horrible the crap I have to see in this world as to what people will believe when it comes to the one truth of what we really are and born to be in this world. The only truth I see evidently here is we live for the lie.

Thats the reality now.

Arnt we the luckiest forum members on the planet having you here to enlighten us. I mean almost everyone on the planet oblivious to a twelve thousand year old secret, except you. And you choose to share it with us. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart for waking me up.

Latchy

Di0genes wrote: »

Oswald was questioned for two full days before he was shot by Ruby.

Yet the Dallas police never thought to record anything he said .All we have in that times period is Oswald answering a few questions to the press

The CIA were aware of a Mob plan to assassinate Kennedy when he had visited Miami and Robert Kennedy , fearfull for his brothers life had asked him to consider canceling the trip to Dallas . Kennedy had many enemies including the Mob and there was a lot of southern hostillity towards him to so if ever a time was needed for security by all concerned to be stepped up this should have being the time

The chief of Dallas police , Jessie Curry prior to Kennedys arrival in Dallas said '' Nothing must occur that will be distastefull to the president on his vist and all necessary procedures are in place to ensure nothing goes wrong ''.

Kennedy was always aware of the possiblity of him being assassinated and had said to his wife on arrival in texas '' we are now entering nut country '' . On the morning of the 22 november had also said to his SS men '' All it takes for somebody to kill the president is for somebody to get on top of a building with a rifle , nothing much you can do about that '' .

When the motorcade left Love Field for the trip to down town Dallas the Secret Service guys ,some whom had being nursing hangovers from drinking the night before were ordered off the side steps of the Limousine , (supposedly ) on the presidents orders to allow the crowds a better view of JKF as he waved to them .

Strange to think that knowing the possible dangers in Dealy Plazza it never occurred to the secret servicemen or police to post men on top of all the buildings there ........ like this is Dallas Texas . The texas book depository store window was the perfect place to look down on the now highly visible president who now had with no security cover

The Kennedy Assasination became the blueprint in training for security to all presidents and heads of state around the world .

mrgardener

mysterious wrote: »

This is not a joke, I can handle it, this forum is stuck in the 90s when it comes to these issues. There isn't any point in "trying" to show you the truth, you will do anything to Run a MILE from it.

The hell we see is our heaven, is our reality. JFK was a ritual murder like many high placed events and deaths.

Guess what date jesus's birthday is. Again the truth is so mind boggling, it could give you a nervous breakdown. JFK was going to be killed he knew that. Why do you think he went against the whole government.

They control everything you see hear, read and know in your mind. Everything you learn, and pick up in schools and T.V has conditioned you to think and believe in a certain way. This is the craziest reality ever created. It's quite frankly the best designed hologram for chaos to thrive in. Tptb, have time travel, technology far more advanced than you WILL ever know lol..

The only thing they dont have, is love. Love is what keeps this universe breathing and alive. They want to warp this universe into their fantasy heaven, and thus creating this world as we know it, into a complete hell on earth. The all seeing eye controls this earth which is the most poweful entity in this universe before the crown (or god). It will manifest soon. It's too late, the entire planet is already mind fuccked as it is. most will die and the **** will hit the fan. You can of course choose to not believe that, but what is any of you going to do about it.

Didn't see many wake up on 9/11. They still think it was a few guys in a bloody cave.

it's all happening now. So it's actually absurd that people are trying to figure out after 40 years who killed JFK.:rolleyes: It's the same people running the world for the last 12,000 years. They are not seen or known by you or anyone out there.

Even now I bet your shaking heads. That's why its all working down to plan. Literally. Its why they can have such precision when it comes to killing JFK and Diana in such genius ways to their liking. She hit the 13th pillar in the diana goddess tunnel lol. People have no idea.... lmao. Just like JFK.

It was some man who was crazy who just had to get JFk.
Just like it's some paparazzi kiling Diana accidently,
Just like afghani caveman just so happened to take over New york Aerospace with plastic knives!!!!

Yet all occult rituals.


it's horrible the crap I have to see in this world as to what people will believe when it comes to the one truth of what we really are and born to be in this world. The only truth I see evidently here is we live for the lie.

Thats the reality now.

Hang on....are you talking about "The Matrix"?
Great film, great special effects - even if the plot was barking....

Di0genes

Latchy wrote: »

Yet the Dallas police never thought to record anything he said .All we have in that times period is Oswald answering a few questions to the press

No interviews with Oswald were recorded.

The chief of Dallas police , Jessie Curry prior to Kennedys arrival in Dallas said '' Nothing must occur that will be distastefull to the president on his vist and all necessary procedures are in place to ensure nothing goes wrong ''.

And this proves what exactly?

Kennedy was always aware of the possiblity of him being assassinated and had said to his wife on arrival in texas '' we are now entering nut country ''

So? Texans can be a lil odd and compulsive. W

. On the morning of the 22 november had also said to his SS men '' All it takes for somebody to kill the president is for somebody to get on top of a building with a rifle , nothing much you can do about that '' .

Which is true. What could agents have done to stop a lone nut on a building?

When the motorcade left Love Field for the trip to down town Dallas the Secret Service guys ,some whom had being nursing hangovers from drinking the night before were ordered off the side steps of the Limousine , (supposedly ) on the presidents orders to allow the crowds a better view of JKF as he waved to them .
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Its well documented (indeed on other threads on this forum) that JFK disliked having agents on the side steps and running boards of his car. The stand down in dallas was typical of previous public appearances.

Strange to think that knowing the possible dangers in Dealy Plazza it never occurred to the secret servicemen or police to post men on top of all the buildings there ........ like this is Dallas Texas . The texas book depository store window was the perfect place to look down on the now highly visible president who now had with no security cover

So they should have instinctively known the book depository was the probably snipers nest? Even if they had agents on the roof, Oswald could easily have gotten off the three shots from the store room before the roof agents arrived.

The Kennedy Assasination became the blueprint in training for security to all presidents and heads of state around the world .

Exactly. Mistakes were made. Lessons were learnt. this doesn't mean the Kennnedy assassination was anything other than a lone nut with a rifle.

Latchy

Di0genes wrote: »

No interviews with Oswald were recorded.

Isin't that what I said below

Latchy

Yet the Dallas police never thought to record anything he said .All we have in that times period is Oswald answering a few questions to the press

And this proves what exactly?

Wasn't to prove anything ,that's just a statement to say Dallas police were very aware of potential dangers of the presidents vist and doing what they were supposed to be doing ,escorting and protecting the president on his trip through Dallas but overall the SS men were in charge of JFK's personell protection .

So? Texans can be a lil odd and compulsive.

So ? Not just a trait of Texans

Which is true. What could agents have done to stop a lone nut on a building?

For starters ? Make sure he isin't there in the first place

Its well documented (indeed on other threads on this forum) that JFK disliked having agents on the side steps and running boards of his car. The stand down in dallas was typical of previous public appearances.

Not using those side boards on that day cost him his life . Yes I have posted in those other threads to

So they should have instinctively known the book depository was the probably snipers nest? Even if they had agents on the roof, Oswald could easily have gotten off the three shots from the store room before the roof agents arrived.

Why wouldn't they have known when it would most likley have looked the place to shoot from ? But we are talking 1963 when .

Nobody we know of was vetted before entering any building in Dealy Plazza

Exactly. Mistakes were made. Lessons were learnt. this doesn't mean the Kennnedy assassination was anything other than a lone nut with a rifle.

No it doesn't and giving all the possible scenarios with conspiracy theories , the lone nut with a rifle has never sat easy with millions of people who will always want to believe other forces were at hand in the killing .

Di0genes

Oswald made a very specific attorney request which the police were unable to reach. Reports of his interview made up part of the Warren Commission.

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh7/html/WC_Vol7_0153b.htm

Latchy wrote: »

Wasn't to prove anything ,that's just a statement to say Dallas police were very aware of potential dangers of the presidents vist and doing what they were supposed to be doing ,escorting and protecting the president on his trip through Dallas but overall the SS men were in charge of JFK's personell protection .

And your point?

So ? Not just a trait of Texans

So, JFK made an offhand remark about his opinion of texans and this is proof he knew we was about to be assassinated.

For starters ? Make sure he isin't there in the first place

Em so the secret service were supposed to station men at every conceivable vantage point in every building along the entire route of the motorcade?

Not using those side boards on that day cost him his life . Yes I have posted in those other threads to

Yes, however you were trying to say that there was something suspicious about the agents not being on the sideboards in Dallas, when it in fact it was something that JFK regularly insisted on.

Why wouldn't they have known when it would most likley have looked the place to shoot from ? But we are talking 1963 when .

I'm sorry so the secret service were supposed to map out the route and instantly know exactly were the best vantage point for a sniper in every building.

Nobody we know of was vetted before entering any building in Dealy Plazza

Yes because it's a public space. When Clinton visited Dublin no one was vetted outside trinity college.

No it doesn't and giving all the possible scenarios with conspiracy theories , the lone nut with a rifle has never sat easy with millions of people who will always want to believe other forces were at hand in the killing .

Thats nice and millions of people believe in the rapture or that evolution doesn't exist. Just because people want to be believe something doesn't make it more plausible.

tallus

There's plenty of physical evidence to support the fact that Oswald didn't work alone.

Di0genes

tallus wrote: »

There's plenty of physical evidence to support the fact that Oswald didn't work alone.

Such as?

tallus

Di0genes wrote: »

Such as?

A quick search on google video :

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8440302925206489846

It's a long piece of video but worth the look. Plenty of evidence that contradicts the official story put out.

Latchy

Di0genes wrote: »

Oswald made a very specific attorney request which the police were unable to reach. Reports of his interview made up part of the Warren Commission.

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh7/html/WC_Vol7_0153b.htm


Yes but the Warren commision report is famous for the pile of crap it was on release .It was quickly put together and more concerned with appeasing a still shocked american public than getting to any truth '' at the time '' . Oswald at the police station used the term 'Patsy ' to describe his part in the shooting .

And your point?

No No that's part of my post

So, JFK made an offhand remark about his opinion of texans and this is proof he knew we was about to be assassinated.

Well now if that was the case he would hardly likely to want to be driven around Dallas in an open Limousine now would he ?

Em so the secret service were supposed to station men at every conceivable vantage point in every building along the entire route of the motorcade?

You're splitting hairs , soloution was to have the bubble top on Limousine down - simples

Yes, however you were trying to say that there was something suspicious about the agents not being on the sideboards in Dallas, when it in fact it was something that JFK regularly insisted on.

No I am only stating a fact that this made it easier for any potential assassian to hit his target , in this case Oswald .

I'm sorry so the secret service were supposed to map out the route and instantly know exactly were the best vantage point for a sniper in every building.

Instantly ??? the Secret Service and Dallas police new weeks beforehand the president was coming to Dallas so given them plenty of time to look around for any potential danger spots .But we are talking about a president who is so loved that he rides around in an open top Limousine when all the bad vibes and feedback surrounding the trip to Dallas suggests they should have insisted he kept it down .

Yes because it's a public space. When Clinton visited Dublin no one was vetted outside trinity college.

But you can be sure that all the modern Technology that goes to protect him were in place and working

Thats nice and millions of people believe in the rapture or that evolution doesn't exist. Just because people want to be believe something doesn't make it more plausible.

When all the facts research and characters involved in this assassination have being looked into as they have a million times over since november 22 1963 , then anybody who' took the time to do same can come to any conclusion they wish as to who did what . Suppose if one question were to be asked by the world it might be this .

Why ? Why did oswald kill JFK . Was he just a patsy , somebody looking for eternal fame or just plain nuts ???

You could use same logic that got the president killed and say that Oswald never got the time to expand on this because another nut ' Ruby ' under strain of emotional and patriotic duty , never gave him the chance to do so or was it as simple cut and dried as that ? .

Mahatma coat

**** wrote:

Thats nice and millions of people believe in the rapture or that evolution doesn't exist. Just because people want to be believe something doesn't make it more plausible.

remember that this applies equally to all sides

vampire of kilmainham

EnterNow wrote: »

Nonsense, we all know the cigarette smoking man carried out that assignment

In reality? I wouldnt put it past the Mob/CIA or other government body at the time.

All these orginiseations have secret links with each other the whole thing was a conspirosey anyway:eek::eek::eek:

Di0genes

tallus wrote: »

A quick search on google video :

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8440302925206489846

It's a long piece of video but worth the look. Plenty of evidence that contradicts the official story put out.

I'm not interesting in watching another in a long line of debunked JFK nonsense. If you aren't interested in putting forward the salient points and expect me to watch a 102 minute documentary, I don't see the merit in a discussion.

Di0genes

Latchy wrote: »

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh7/html/WC_Vol7_0153b.htm


Yes but the Warren commision report is famous for the pile of crap it was on release .It was quickly put together and more concerned with appeasing a still shocked american public than getting to any truth '' at the time '' . Oswald at the police station used the term 'Patsy ' to describe his part in the shooting .

So the Warren Commission is a pile of crap unless some part of it agrees with your position.

Well now if that was the case he would hardly likely to want to be driven around Dallas in an open Limousine now would he ?

So they dragged him into the limo at gunpoint.

You're splitting hairs , soloution was to have the bubble top on Limousine down - simples

Except the bubble top was perplex and not bullet proof or even bullet resistant.

No I am only stating a fact that this made it easier for any potential assassian to hit his target , in this case Oswald .

And that isn't a compelling argument for a CIA stand down.

Instantly ??? the Secret Service and Dallas police new weeks beforehand the president was coming to Dallas so given them plenty of time to look around for any potential danger spots .But we are talking about a president who is so loved that he rides around in an open top Limousine when all the bad vibes and feedback surrounding the trip to Dallas suggests they should have insisted he kept it down .

Yes the Secret Service respond to "vibes". There were thousands of potential snipers nests and vantage points along the route. Neither the SS or the Dallas PD had the resources or manpower to put a man at every one of these places.

But you can be sure that all the modern Technology that goes to protect him were in place and working

Precisely. Theres a reason why the SS consider JFK's death their darkest moment and completely reorganised and reassessed their security procedure.

Again take the death of RFK, at the time he did not have a secret service detail. Because he was a potential primary candidate. After his death secret service agents began providing candidates with greater security earlier in the campaign.

When all the facts research and characters involved in this assassination have being looked into as they have a million times over since november 22 1963 , then anybody who' took the time to do same can come to any conclusion they wish as to who did what . Suppose if one question were to be asked by the world it might be this .

Why ? Why did oswald kill JFK . Was he just a patsy , somebody looking for eternal fame or just plain nuts ???

You could use same logic that got the president killed and say that Oswald never got the time to expand on this because another nut ' Ruby ' under strain of emotional and patriotic duty , never gave him the chance to do so or was it as simple cut and dried as that ? .

Pretty much yes. We know a great deal about how unstable and erratic Oswald was. By the time he was discharged from the marines he wasn't allowed access to firearms. He attempted to defect to the USSR twice, and was only accepted the 2nd time after a failed suicide attempt .He was unstable he tried to assassinate "general" walker a few weeks before Kennedy.

Di0genes

Mahatma coat wrote: »

remember that this applies equally to all sides

And I know this will whistle over your head, but I'm not the one using argumentum ad populum as part of my position. IE I haven't said "millions of people believe we went to the moon ergo we went to the moon". Latchy argument was that" millions of people don't believe Oswald killed Kennedy or if he did he didn't act alone, therefore there must be some kind of weight to the conspiracy".

tallus

Di0genes wrote: »

I'm not interesting in watching another in a long line of debunked JFK nonsense.

How do you know what the content is like if you haven't even looked at the video ?

Looks to me like your mind has already been made up.

Di0genes

tallus wrote: »

How do you know what the content is like if you haven't even looked at the video ?

I've seen or read most JFK conspiracy nonsense, nothing

Looks to me like your mind has already been made up.

The first 15 minutes was nothing but archive material ad nauseum. Then came the grass knoll crap. If you want to discuss a specific witness account and it's merits flaws.

It's lazy of you to post a link to a 110m video and then expect me to pick at every single point in it.

Point out what you feel to be the strongest three points in the film to me and we can talk them through.

tallus

Maybe later dude I'm otherwise engaged at the moment.

fulhamfanincork

mysterious wrote: »

Oh I'm back after that ban:rolleyes:

Jfk was taken out for exposing the truth end of. It was only a matter of time before the CIA and secret service were gonna take him out. In fact it was planned for quite some time, since his death was a ritual, like 9/11, Diana and among many other traumatic events to "traumatize" the nations of nations.

Same ol same ol,

Question is, can the people of "boards" .ie handle the truth.

As someone ho is not upto date on all these conspiracies can you tell me what truth JFK exposed and was shot because of it?


And do you believe that 9/11, Diana are conspiracies as well?

TalkieWalkie

There is a youtube clip on page 1 which pretty sums up what kennedy was goin or was exposing.
Also, Kennedy wanted to do away with the federal reserve and had begun printing his own money. No sooner than he was killed, his money was taken out of circulation. There is some good info on this here http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/thefederalreserve.htm

Mahatma coat

Some JFK Silver Dolars still exist today.

It would stand to reason that the Banksters were involved in the assasination, afterall they have a history of assasinating Presidents that want to do away with them.

However I think it was a combined effort from a few different factions all of whom had differingt reasons for wanting rid of him but were united by the same simple goal, LBJ in office and terrified of them.

Di0genes

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

There is a youtube clip on page 1 which pretty sums up what kennedy was goin or was exposing.
Also, Kennedy wanted to do away with the federal reserve and had begun printing his own money. No sooner than he was killed, his money was taken out of circulation. There is some good info on this here http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/thefederalreserve.htm

Wrong

SECTION 1. Executive Order No. 10289 of September 9, 1951, as amended, is hereby further amended (a) By adding at the end of paragraph 1 thereof the following subparagraph (j): '(j) The authority vested in the President by paragraph (b) of section 43 of the Act of May 12, 1933, as amended (31 U.S.C. 821(b)), to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury not then held for redemption of an outstanding silver certificates, to prescribe the denominations of such silver certificates, and to coin standard silver dollars and subsidiary silver currency for their redemption,' and (b) By revoking subparagraphs (b) and (c) of paragraph 2 thereof.

SECTION 2. The amendments made by this Order shall not affect any act done, or any right accruing or accrued or any suit or proceeding had or commenced in any civil or criminal cause prior to the date of this Order but all such liabilities shall continue anymay be enforced as if said amendments had not been made.

John F. Kennedy, THE WHITE HOUSE, June 4, 1963.

to understand exactly what Kennedy's order was trying to do, we must understand the purpose of the legislation which gave the order its underlying authority. The Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933 (ch. 25, 48 Stat 51) to which Kennedy refers permits the President to issue silver certificates in various denominations (mostly $1, $2, $5, and $10) and in any total volume so long as the Treasury has enough silver on hand to redeem the certificates for a specific quantity and fineness of silver and that the total volume of such currency does not exceed $3 billion. The Silver Purchase Act of 1934 (ch. 674,48 Stat 1178) also grants this power to the Treasury Secretary subject to similar limitations. Nowhere in the text of the order is a quantity of money mentioned, so it is unclear how Marrs arrived at his $4.2 billion figure. Moreover, the President could not have authorized such a large issue because it would have exceeded the statutory limit.2 As economic activity grew in the fifties and sixties, the public demand for low denomination currency grew, increasing the Treasury's need for silver to back additional certificate issues and to mint new coins (dimes, quarters, half-dollars). However, during the late fifties the price of silver began to rise and reached the point that the market value of the silver contained in the coins and backing the certificates was greater than the face value of the money itself.2

To conserve the Treasury's silver needs, the Silver Purchase Act and related measures were repealed by Congress in 1963 with Public Law 88-36. Following the repeal, only the President could authorize new silver certificate issues, and no longer the Treasury Secretary. The law, signed by Kennedy himself, also permits the Federal Reserve to issue small denomination bills to replace the outgoing silver certificates (prior to the act, the Fed could only issue Federal Reserve Notes in larger denominations). The Treasury's shrinking silver stock could then be used to mint coins only and not have to back currency. The repeal left only the President with the authority to issue silver certificates, however it did permit him to delegate this authority. E.O. 11,110 does this by transferring the authority from the President to the Treasury Secretary.2

E.O. 11,110 did not create authority to issue new silver certificates, it only affected who could give the order. The purpose of the order was to facilitate the reduction of certificates in circulation, not to increase them. In October 1964 the Treasury ceased issuing them entirely. The Coinage Act of 1965 (PL 89-81) ended the practice of using silver in most U.S. coins, and in 1968 Congress ended the redeemability of silver certificates (PL 90-29). E.O. 11,110 was never reversed by President Johnson and remained on the books until 1987 when there was a general cleaning-up of executive orders (E.O. 12,608, 9/9/87). However, by this time the remaining legislative authority behind E.O. 11,110 had been repealed by Congress with PL 97-258 in 1982.2


In summary, E.O. 11,110 did not create new authority to issue additional silver certificates. In fact, its intention was to ease the process for their removal so that small denomination Federal Reserve Notes could replace them in accordance with a law Kennedy himself signed. If Kennedy had really sought to reduce Federal Reserve power, then why did he sign a bill that gave the Fed still more power?

http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/flaherty/flaherty9.html

Latchy

Di0genes wrote: »

So the Warren Commission is a pile of crap unless some part of it agrees with your position.

Public response to the Warren Report

Almost immediately after the Warren Commission Report was issued, several researchers began seriously questioning its conclusions. A multitude of books and articles criticizing the Warren Commission's findings have been written. The Commission's conclusions have also gradually but continually lost widespread acceptance from the American public and various prominent government officials. Fifteen years later, the United States House Select Committee on Assassinations came to a different conclusion based on an audio recording then made available.

So they dragged him into the limo at gunpoint.

Well JFK did have bad back problems but I'm sure he managed to walk into the Limo ok

Except the bubble top was perplex and not bullet proof or even bullet resistant.

And

And that isn't a compelling argument for a CIA stand down.

In plain speak 2 guys each side standing standing on side of Limo are better protection than none at all

Yes the Secret Service respond to "vibes". There were thousands of potential snipers nests and vantage points along the route. Neither the SS or the Dallas PD had the resources or manpower to put a man at every one of these places.

Yes so obiously any danger was played down and risk assessment was not considered to be high enough to cancel trip or make other safer travel arrangements

Precisely. Theres a reason why the SS consider JFK's death their darkest moment and completely reorganised and reassessed their security procedure.

Of course they did.

Again take the death of RFK, at the time he did not have a secret service detail. Because he was a potential primary candidate. After his death secret service agents began providing candidates with greater security earlier in the campaign.

And giving he was mobbed as much if not more than JFK the potential to shoot/ kill him was always going to be made that much easier easy

Pretty much yes. We know a great deal about how unstable and erratic Oswald was. By the time he was discharged from the marines he wasn't allowed access to firearms. He attempted to defect to the USSR twice, and was only accepted the 2nd time after a failed suicide attempt .He was unstable he tried to assassinate "general" walker a few weeks before Kennedy.

Yes he did try assassinate the General and nobody in the DPF was keeping an eye on him .But then we are back to manpower and resources

Di0genes wrote: »

Latchy argument was that" millions of people don't believe Oswald didn't act alone, therefore there must be some kind of weight to the conspiracy".

millions of people do believe this because it has never being proved beyond doubt that Oswald acted alone.


I never went for the grassy knoll gunman theory myself

Di0genes

Latchy wrote: »

Public response to the Warren Report

Almost immediately after the Warren Commission Report was issued, several researchers began seriously questioning its conclusions. A multitude of books and articles criticizing the Warren Commission's findings have been written. The Commission's conclusions have also gradually but continually lost widespread acceptance from the American public and various prominent government officials. Fifteen years later, the United States House Select Committee on Assassinations came to a different conclusion based on an audio recording then made available.

An audio recording proven to be inaccurate.

Well JFK did have bad back problems but I'm sure he managed to walk into the Limo ok

Pithy aside n all, the fact of the matter is that is was JFK decision not to ride with agents on the running board, or the perpex hood

And

You're back tracking now, your point was the bubble top would have protected JFK when it was pointed out that it was plastic you start retracting.

In plain speak 2 guys each side standing standing on side of Limo are better protection than none at all

Agreed but and I'll say this again JFK didn't want the agents there Therefore suggesting that agents not being stationed is proof of a CIA stand down/Secret Service involvement/ the Mob...

Yes so obiously any danger was played down and risk assessment was not considered to be high enough to cancel trip or make other safer travel arrangements

And JFK made a trip to Miami another area where with potential threats.

If every president cancelled every trip because of a potential trip, they'd spend all their terms in a bunker in the whitehouse.

Of course they did.

And your point is?

And giving he was mobbed as much if not more than JFK the potential to shoot/ kill him was always going to be made that much easier easy

Again, what on earth is your point?

Yes he did try assassinate the General and nobody in the DPF was keeping an eye on him .But then we are back to manpower and resources

Because er they only connected the JFK assassination with the attempted assassination on the General, after the JFK assassination. You're expecting the the Dallas PD to already know all this before JFK arrived in Dallas?

millions of people do believe this because it has never being proved beyond doubt that Oswald acted alone.

And what proof would satisfy you?

I never went for the grassy knoll gunman theory myself

Neither did I.

Latchy

Di0genes wrote: »

You're back tracking now, your point was the bubble top would have protected JFK when it was pointed out that it was plastic you start retracting.

No I never said it would protect him at all but it might have .You are suggesting that with bubble top cover on, Oswald - without full view of the president head ( or no view at all ) would have had the same perfect head shot forgetting that bullets can Ricochet and according to the Warren commision report did just that with the trajectory of the fired bullets going first through the President than Governor Connally.

Agreed but and I'll say this again JFK didn't want the agents there Therefore suggesting that agents not being stationed is proof of a CIA stand down/Secret Service involvement/ the Mob...

That feeds into the conspiracy theories were I am only saying it was a serious error of judgement by the president

And JFK made a trip to Miami another area where with potential threats.

If every president cancelled every trip because of a potential trip, they'd spend all their terms in a bunker in the whitehouse.

He didn't want to travel to Dallas but looking to be re-elected in 64 he needed the southern votes and Lyndon Johnson pursuaded him that he should go ahead with the trip and actually on the whole , the trip to texas was very welcoming except for the actions of one man .

And what proof would satisfy you?

Satisfy me about what ? I like millions of others believe Oswald killed the president ,that's not the issue . It's were other involved with him ? Just because he was a nut who pulled the trigger doesn't mean other people weren't involved .