Cheating in the Leaving Cert

Samskeyti

There's cheating happening in my school, the majority of students use the fact that the toilets are in our P.E hall and that the superintendents have no reason to follow them in. The students hide notes written from before the exam in their socks and pants and some even got away with having a phone on their lap for an entire paper and reading saved messages from it. Others used the bathroom to call students from other schools and got full answers on questions.

Our principal is a complete waster as students were caught cheating in the L.C.V.P exam and nothing was done about it. I thought if you were caught cheating that you couldn't sit another state exam? Should I inform the superintendents of how stupid they're being or e-mail the State Examinations Commission? I know for definate that Irish will be the exam that most will cheat on because of learning notes off by heart will prove too much effort for them. Help??

AlmostFamous

Don't be a snitch. Concentrate on your own performance in the exams.

LadyGaga!

Oh my, that's awful. You should inform the superintendent - remember cheating affects us all, yourself included.

How does the superintendent not notice if it's on their lap?? Surely they'd see them looking down all the time!?

You'd think ours have sand in their pants, they never sit down!

fufureida

Samskeyti wrote: »

There's cheating happening in my school, the majority of students use the fact that the toilets are in our P.E hall and that the superintendents have no reason to follow them in. The students hide notes written from before the exam in their socks and pants and some even got away with having a phone on their lap for an entire paper and reading saved messages from it. Others used the bathroom to call students from other schools and got full answers on questions.

Our principal is a complete waster as students were caught cheating in the L.C.V.P exam and nothing was done about it. I thought if you were caught cheating that you couldn't sit another state exam? Should I inform the superintendents of how stupid they're being or e-mail the State Examinations Commission? I know for definate that Irish will be the exam that most will cheat on because of learning notes off by heart will prove too much effort for them. Help??

I know how your feeling. Sure it's happening in my school and it's not fair. If I were you go talk to these people who you are gonnna cheat and ask them if tge cheated and if they will continue to cheat. Tape the entire conversation. Then inform the super intendant but do so anonymously you don't want people to find out you told... Good luck.

Luno

At the end of the day it's not going to affect your results so why bother worrying about it? Concentrate on yourself I'd say!

MagicMarker

fufureida wrote: »

I know how your feeling. Sure it's happening in my school and it's not fair. If I were you go talk to these people who you are gonnna cheat and ask them if tge cheated and if they will continue to cheat. Tape the entire conversation. Then inform the super intendant but do so anonymously you don't want people to find out you told... Good luck.

lol, you want him/her to ask people if they have cheated or if they intend to cheat and then bring a taped conversation to the principle?

What exactly do you think will happen when these same people are punished? 2+2=?

OP, just tell a superintendent or email whoever will do something about it.

challengemaster

M&S* wrote: »

At the end of the day it's not going to affect your results so why bother worrying about it? Concentrate on yourself I'd say!

Actually, it might. Due to the bell curve they want every year, if loads of people cheat, the marking scheme becomes much harder for those who don't, making it unfair for them.

Also, They could also be cheating someone else out of a fair, deserved college spot.

So yes, at the end of the day, it affects everyone else. Report the ***** and I hope every single one is banned from state exams.

Leeg17

challengemaster wrote: »

Actually, it might. Due to the bell curve they want every year, if loads of people cheat, the marking scheme becomes much harder for those who don't, making it unfair for them.

Also, They could also be cheating someone else out of a fair, deserved college spot.

So yes, at the end of the day, it affects everyone else. Report the ***** and I hope every single one is banned from state exams.

If I could thank twice, I would.

LadyGaga!

challengemaster wrote: »

Actually, it might. Due to the bell curve they want every year, if loads of people cheat, the marking scheme becomes much harder for those who don't, making it unfair for them.

Also, They could also be cheating someone else out of a fair, deserved college spot.

So yes, at the end of the day, it affects everyone else. Report the ***** and I hope every single one is banned from state exams.

I agree with this so much. People don't even realise that it indirectly affects them. If you feel the need to cheat, then you shouldn't be sitting the Leaving Cert.

Samskeyti

AlmostFamous wrote: »

Don't be a snitch. Concentrate on your own performance in the exams.

So I shouldn't be a "snitch", I should just let people who do **** all work during school then do great in the most important exam of our lives get away with it? Why do people see it as snitching? Everyone needs to grow a pair and stamp out low lives like these, not just let them on with cheating and thinking they don't count when it comes to playing by the rules. So with all do respect I don't believe you calling me a snitch is helpful, ta.

Concentrating on my own exams is good advice but it's very difficult when this issue is such an annoyance.

LutherBlissett

If I were you, I would stop focusing on this, and concentrate on my own efforts. Control the controllables.

The more time you spend complaining on a forum, the less time you are spending at study.

I also wouldn't have this conversation on the internet. If you feel there is a problem with cheating in your school, raise it with, and only with, the school authorities and the superintendent. It is a private disciplinary matter for the school, not a public forum.

watevertrevor

you should DEFINITELY report it. the people who have'nt cheated like me and you will be the ones who suffer because of the dishonest people who do. i haven't worked my as* off for somebody else who's lazy to take my place in college. its not fair.
people like them should be BANNED from sitting the exams and i hope they are. dont listen to the people who say not to be a snitch. stand up for yourself and all of us and do whats right.

double GG

OFC "snitch" on them.

Lets take it into perspective.

A guy who puts in 5 hours of study a day for the last 5 months.

A guy who did nothing for the last 2 years and cheats.

The guy who cheats, gets the final college place instead of the other guy, which could possibly be me or you

Its pretty awful, that people would even cheat in it. I hope they do get caught, and can't repeat for 7 years I think it is. You may aswell, perhaps privately pass on a letter to the supervisor and/or teachers etc. They will obviously follow the patterns of these lads going to the toilet. Do tell, dont keep it quiet anyhow.

bytey

i think its best you find some way of reporting this - but use someone you know you can trust
- hate to say it -
but its not beyond the bounds of reason for the invigilators to be paid off to turn a blind eye but knowing full well whats going on .

what youare describing sound like a pre arranged setup to me .

the leaving cheater goes on to cheat in college , then cheat in work
they get found out in the end , but alot of people suffer long the way

AlmostFamous

Samskeyti wrote: »

So I shouldn't be a "snitch", I should just let people who do **** all work during school then do great in the most important exam of our lives get away with it? Why do people see it as snitching? Everyone needs to grow a pair and stamp out low lives like these, not just let them on with cheating and thinking they don't count when it comes to playing by the rules. So with all do respect I don't believe you calling me a snitch is helpful, ta.

Concentrating on my own exams is good advice but it's very difficult when this issue is such an annoyance.

Admittedly my use of the word snitch was a bit harsh and I apologize for it. However, I still feel you shouldn't expose the cheating by your fellow peers. It is not your responsibilty that they are cheating. I wouldn't be able to expose my friends and fellow peers if I was aware that they were cheating. I feel that the risk they take by cheating is wreckless and that somewhere down the line the cheater's faults will be exposed.

leavingcert

Snitch on them! this isnt fair!

I know its happening in our school but i don't know of it tbh
Although i think the SEC should see this post and do something about i.. Not that they can really do much?

Samskeyti

AlmostFamous wrote: »

Admittedly my use of the word snitch was a bit harsh and I apologize for it. However, I still feel you shouldn't expose the cheating by your fellow peers. It is not your responsibilty that they are cheating. I wouldn't be able to expose my friends and fellow peers if I was aware that they were cheating. I feel that the risk they take by cheating is wreckless and that somewhere down the line the cheater's faults will be exposed.

They're not 'peers' or 'friends' of mine. I don't see why I should protect them, I owe them nothing. They could be exposed but I believe it'll be too late, maybe when they take the places of people who actually worked. So I'm going to put a stop to this before they wreck our futures by taking our places in college.

Aoifey!

AlmostFamous wrote: »

Admittedly my use of the word snitch was a bit harsh and I apologize for it. However, I still feel you shouldn't expose the cheating by your fellow peers. It is not your responsibilty that they are cheating. I wouldn't be able to expose my friends and fellow peers if I was aware that they were cheating. I feel that the risk they take by cheating is wreckless and that somewhere down the line the cheater's faults will be exposed.

But why give them the confidence to continue cheating by letting the see they can get away with it? if it i reported now their faults will be exposed now instead of later. They deserve punishment for what they are doing.

Samskeyti

leavingcert wrote: »

Snitch on them! this isnt fair!

I know its happening in our school but i don't know of it tbh
Although i think the SEC should see this post and do something about i.. Not that they can really do much?

Not really sure what they can do, I think they have to investigate it and isolate the people accused with another exam or something. Either way they can't turn a blind eye to this if it's put into their faces.

LutherBlissett

It is also important to note that due to the harsh penalty for cheating, many supervisors are unwilling to report or note the incident.

Finally - there is a limit to the amount of advantage you can gain by cheating. So, you might have the textbook in the bathroom. In reality - you can only spend a couple of minutes in the bathroom away from authority. You might pick up one definition or one formula. That won't carry a C3 student to an A1.

Try to be rational and gain a measure of perspective.

itac

Samskeyti, firstly delete all your private info off your profile on here-I now know who you are and what school you're talking about!

Imo, you've a few choices now that you've made this public....

1) Send a link to this page to several newspapers, maybe dropping another hint or few as to where the school is, and then let nature run it's course...they may pick up on it any way, remember last year's fiasco!

2) If you think talking to the supervisors will work, try it. But remember, you're basically going to be telling them they're crap at what they're doing. If they bring it to the attention of the SEC, it could end up with them being fired, so tis doubtful whether they'll report it.

3) Email the SEC yourself, (anonymously if you want) and let them know.

4) Keep the head down, say nowt and finish the exams hoping you never have to work/see the cheaters again.

It's a seriously sh** situation to find yourself in, don't envy you whatever you decide. Best of luck with your exams though, hope you get what you worked for, irrespective of those muppets.:)

ajjmk

reporrrrt them! it's not just you its affecting, but us too! it mightnt bring them from a C3 to an A1, but it certainly could from a C3 to a C2 or C1 which might be enough of a points increase for the cheater to get into college..to take one of OUR places!

Samskeyti

itac wrote: »

Samskeyti, firstly delete all your private info off your profile on here-I now know who you are and what school you're talking about!

Imo, you've a few choices now that you've made this public....

1) Send a link to this page to several newspapers, maybe dropping another hint or few as to where the school is, and then let nature run it's course...they may pick up on it any way, remember last year's fiasco!

2) If you think talking to the supervisors will work, try it. But remember, you're basically going to be telling them they're crap at what they're doing. If they bring it to the attention of the SEC, it could end up with them being fired, so tis doubtful whether they'll report it.

3) Email the SEC yourself, (anonymously if you want) and let them know.

4) Keep the head down, say nowt and finish the exams hoping you never have to work/see the cheaters again.

It's a seriously sh** situation to find yourself in, don't envy you whatever you decide. Best of luck with your exams though, hope you get what you worked for, irrespective of those muppets.:)

I'm logged in on this account but this isn't my account, so I doubt you know what school I'm talking about but to be honest I have no problem with saying what school it is because it's a lousy one that only cares about its reputation, not the students who go there.

itac

Samskeyti wrote: »

I'm logged in on this account but this isn't my account, so I doubt you know what school I'm talking about but to be honest I have no problem with saying what school it is because it's a lousy one that only cares about its reputation, not the students who go there.

Well for their sake, clear the info, or else make it very clear that you're posting as someone else, not them, as it could land them in a heap of crap!:D

I would say get in touch with the SEC then, say you're certain that there's cheating going on at your centre, and see how it proceeds from there....fair play to you for taking a stand, and best of luck with it either way!

Samskeyti

itac wrote: »

Well for their sake, clear the info, or else make it very clear that you're posting as someone else, not them, as it could land them in a heap of crap!:D

I would say get in touch with the SEC then, say you're certain that there's cheating going on at your centre, and see how it proceeds from there....fair play to you for taking a stand, and best of luck with it either way!

How can I contact them? I'm scared to talk to them on the phone :P

DaveyDave

I say rat them out, no reason they should do well or pass because they cheated. It's so easy to cheat and it's not fair on people, like me, who don't. Like others have said, they might cheat someone else out of a place in college, remember it's going to be tough this year, they say there's 2 students applying for every place this year.

I'm studying my balls off and I still might not manage to get into college and you don't see me cheating. I don't think I'd be happy if I got into a college by cheating.

leavingcert

itac wrote: »

1) Send a link to this page to several newspapers, maybe dropping another hint or few as to where the school is, and then let nature run it's course...they may pick up on it any way, remember last year's fiasco!

I agree with itac here!

I's so unfir if someone in ur school doesnt get their place in college and one of the cheaters do and then realise they arent able for it coz they cheated their way through the Leaving and drop out leaving the person who is able for it out of college of repeating...

Its honestly not fair!

irondragons

If someone goes to the effort of orchestrating an attempt at cheating, I'd say let them get away with it.

"Really Now? But what about morals and justice?"

One must ask themselves why they are going to snitch on someone : Is it for self-satisfaction? Some skewed self-righteous ideal? The possibility that they did better than you?

I'd put my money on it that it's one of the above, and of course, neither of those things are very moral.

However. If you're mortal enemies with someone you suspect is a cheater, I wouldn't even blink at the opportunity of ratting them out.

LutherBlissett

As I warned above, DO NOT name your school on the internet. Don't do anything that could be construed as libelous. Remember - the alleged cheating has not been proven or investigated. If anybody is caught in the act, they deserve a fair hearing before "cheating" has been established.

I think it may be time for a moderator to take charge of this thread.

itac

Samskeyti wrote: »

How can I contact them? I'm scared to talk to them on the phone :P

Google is your friend :cool:
http://www.examinations.ie/index.php?l=en&mc=co&sc=ct

Email/Fax details are also there....just incase you might want to send them a link to this thread...

Scoobydooo

Guys this thread really isn't going to do anyone any good, I think the Mods should lock it before things get out of hand, get back to study and focus on your own exams

Samskeyti

irondragons wrote: »

If someone goes to the effort of orchestrating an attempt at cheating, I'd say let them get away with it.

"Really Now? But what about morals and justice?"

One must ask themselves why they are going to snitch on someone : Is it for self-satisfaction? Some skewed self-righteous ideal? The possibility that they did better than you?

I'd put my money on it that it's one of the above, and of course, neither of those things are very moral.

However. If you're mortal enemies with someone you suspect is a cheater, I wouldn't even blink at the opportunity of gunning them down.

So you'd be happy if someone who did no work during their school life got your college place? I don't think you get the point here.

itac

LutherBlissett wrote: »

....As I warned above, DO NOT name your school on the internet. Don't do anything that could be construed as libelous. Remember - the alleged cheating has not been proven or investigated. If anybody is caught in the act, they deserve a fair hearing before "cheating" has been established.....

Ooops, didn't even think of that, cheers Luther!

What to do with my life?!

Samskeyti wrote: »

I'm logged in on this account but this isn't my account, so I doubt you know what school I'm talking about but to be honest I have no problem with saying what school it is because it's a lousy one that only cares about its reputation, not the students who go there.

Don't name the school here...you would be very silly to do so and only bring hassle on yourself. Remember this is an "adult" situation so you need to deal with it accordingly by going through the correct channels and the right people who you trust and also protect your own interest.

Of course you should report it and document it and alert the appropriate authorities. Somebody said it back along does the invigilator not notice the patterns of these students....they may very well and be documenting it and might be waiting for the right time to act on it or if they are totally oblivious to it then they are not right the person to be supervising a state exam......our taxes pay for our exam so it should be conducted properly.
And I do not understand how people do not think it affects them....go course it does...there is the bell curve every year and they must reward a certain number of grades per student per year so for the dopes cheating they could take the B3 you need leaving u on a C1...how pissed off would u be not getting ur first place in college over that?! And the thing is that if these people have the balls to cheat in the leaving cert they will do it the whole way through college in which there is also a bell curve system.
I think your peers on the website should support you and inform you on how best to report misconduct like this.
It is better to fail on your own merit than pass on somebody else’s.

irondragons

Samskeyti wrote: »

So you'd be happy if someone who did no work during their school life got your college place? I don't think you get the point here.

No, I don't think you get the point. The possibility of someone robbing you of a college place is next to zero. It's a silly sentiment that doesn't really justify ratting someone out.

Also, if someone does go out of their way to cheat, the chances are that they don't know the material as well as you, and thus, their answers will come out clunky and incoherent.

GVNDNN

It's not like the people are even going to know it's you that told on them, it's not on, yopu studied they didn't, why should they get good results....report

XXRachelXX

Guys this thread is pointless, just focus on your own work and they'll get what's coming to them. Nothing good will come of ranting on the internet

Samskeyti

itac wrote: »

Google is your friend :cool:
http://www.examinations.ie/index.php?l=en&mc=co&sc=ct

Email/Fax details are also there....just incase you might want to send them a link to this thread...

That's a really good idea. I think I just might. Thank you

irondragons

GVNDNN wrote: »

It's not like the people are even going to know it's you that told on them, it's not on, yopu studied they didn't, why should they get good results....report

I studied quite hard, so don't get me wrong. But, I don't think you earn a place up on some grandiose self-righteous pedestal just because you studied.

The cheaters are not going to do better than you, because all they can do is memorize quick definitions and parrot them out on the paper.

If you studied, you are clearly going to do better than them. And too, all the cheaters are probably just aiming to scrape a pass to get into some low-level college.

Samskeyti

irondragons wrote: »

I studied quite hard, so don't get me wrong. But, I don't think you earn a place up on some grandiose self-righteous pedestal just because you studied.

The cheaters are not going to do better than you, because all they can do is memorize quick definitions and parrot them out on the paper.

If you studied, you are clearly going to do better than them. And too, all the cheaters are probably just aiming to scrape a pass to get into some low-level college.

That is very true actually, but it shouldn't be allowed in the first place, that's all I'm trying to say. I'm just trying to make sure we're not all screwed over because of people like this. I believe I'm in the right by speaking my mind and trying to do something about it. Sorry if you disagree but I'm sure plenty agree with you also.

Fad

irondragons wrote: »

And too, all the cheaters are probably just aiming to scrape a pass to get into some low-level college.

This.

Some incredible number of people in my year cheated, none of them got courses they wanted and ended up in ITs.......

BUT.

Please stop bítching at eachother, Boards is a discussion forum......

kieran--f

the irish times will love quoting this thread

yuloni

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ldxo15wus6fpgm

irondragons wrote: »

I studied quite hard, so don't get me wrong. But, I don't think you earn a place up on some grandiose self-righteous pedestal just because you studied.

The cheaters are not going to do better than you, because all they can do is memorize quick definitions and parrot them out on the paper.

If you studied, you are clearly going to do better than them. And too, all the cheaters are probably just aiming to scrape a pass to get into some low-level college.

I'm sorry... what planet are you on?!
Someone who has the book stashed in the bathrooms is blatantly going to do better than the average student who has studied well. You're clearly talking out your arse and trying to justify cheating.

The only situation in which I personally would consider it acceptable is for a compulsory subject that is not going to be used for points but if failed will debar them from progressing to 3rd level, and they are at risk of failing it. Example: a guy doing foundation maths with 7 honours subjects, who knows he will fail maths.

Red Alert

Just a warning shot to a few people to watch what they say on this: please think before you type.

Samskeyti

Condi wrote: »

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You say you didn't care but maybe if you did something it could have been stopped? That's what I want to do, stop people getting away with doing nothing and taking the success of people who have worked hard. It's not fair and I know "life's not fair" but this has to been done.:cool:

Making It Bad

Condi wrote: »

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A 'piss take' which we've spent the last 6 years of our lives preparing for.

I hate these cool college kids who suddenly after they've completed the LC downplay it at every opportunity possible.

leavingcert92

yesterday i totally forgot i had my phone in my pocket and it rang in geography.. granted it was on vibrate but EVERYONE could hear it.. the examiner just gave me a stern look and i turned it off......how embarrassing.....:o

Piste

Weigh up what's most important to you, keeping a good reputation or preserving the integrity of the exam. Personally, I'd keep my head down and now say anything, but that's just me.

spankyman

Samskeyti wrote: »

You say you didn't care but maybe if you did something it could have been stopped? That's what I want to do, stop people getting away with doing nothing and taking the success of people who have worked hard. It's not fair and I know "life's not fair" but this has to been done.:cool:

Stop being such a ****ing loser and focus on ur own study, thats life nd peeps r gonna get away with it spending ur whole time on hear bitching bout it is just gonna make u do worse, u fool

irondragons

Lisa Round Planet wrote: »

I'm sorry... what planet are you on?!
Someone who has the book stashed in the bathrooms is blatantly going to do better than the average student who has studied well.

Why so Ad hominem?