Saorview Content Speculation

watty

No point to TRTÉ during 9am to 4pm unless they are going to have Schools Television.
So likely one Children's Channel 7am to 7pm, with perhaps 9am to 3pm core RTÉjr and 4pm to 7pm TRTÉ during weekdays and extended daytime TRTÉ during Weekend and Holidays?
So RTÉ Chill = TRTÉ radio?

Macy0161

I've a feeling that's what they'll do - I think it'd be the wrong approach though. cbeebies/ cbbc are the obvious example of how to do it.

frankymail

If they RTÉ go with another channel on DTT should they not call it RTE THREE and then have all the different timeslots branded individually.

It could start early morning with RTÉ jr 7am - 4pm

followed by TRTÉ 4pm - 7pm

late evening content could have US Imports and entertainment shows under the RTE TEN brand. 7pm - Late

Weekend and special sports events could be aired on the channel under the RTÉ SPORT Brand with more dedicated sports analysis and coverage?

watty

Macy0161 wrote: »

I've a feeling that's what they'll do - I think it'd be the wrong approach though. cbeebies/ cbbc are the obvious example of how to do it.

That would need an extra channel. Not the space. Also I suspect not the content. Also RTE may be aiming at a wider to older age range with TRTÉ than CBBC. Also RTÉjr may be overlap with younger age range programs on CBBC.


I heartily dislike Numbering as branding of channels. It's not whatsoever informative and alows with time the channels to become less differentiates. I'm against RTE3 as a name. Lyric FM is good example and far better than calling it RTE Radio 3, like BBC "Third Program" added to Home Service, Light Program and World Service. Now we have BBC Radios 1 to 7, apart from 3 = Third service, none of the numbers tell you anything. Stupid.
Bring back the Home Service as a Name I tell ye!

Too much music on RTE Radio 1. 2FM is a stupid Name. Network Two was no improvement on RTE2, no doubt that's why they reverted the name.

Macy0161

I was more thinking during the week, where TRTE could be on RTE2. Content wise, they'd get away with a certain amount of repeats, as cbeebies do. Our children don't watch loads of tele (honest), but you get repeats on cbeebies, in the same order around lunchtime as you get in the morning, and then again mid afternoon.

scath

Macy0161 wrote: »

I was more thinking during the week, where TRTE could be on RTE2. Content wise, they'd get away with a certain amount of repeats, as cbeebies do. Our children don't watch loads of tele (honest), but you get repeats on cbeebies, in the same order around lunchtime as you get in the morning, and then again mid afternoon.

Disagree there, preference wise. in analogue land out of necessity you have catch all. But digital is all about genrification for the convience of the viewer who has a preference for certain programme genres.

So no kids programming on RTÉ2 thank you. That should be on a children's channel or Channels. RTÉ2 can be repositioned with archive and USA programming. TRTÉ and RTÉ Jnr should be timeshare or standalone channels.

The Den etc on RTÉ was ok for analogue land but no thanks for digital land. Different rules should apply otherwise what's the point from the viewer point of view of digital.

glimmerman123

Over on one of the forums on the Saor TV website they are saying that changes and additions will be made to RTE DTT on the 13th October. It doesn't say what changes or additions will be made. It will be interesting to see if TV3 will make an appearance.

frankymail

watty wrote: »

That would need an extra channel. Not the space. Also I suspect not the content. Also RTE may be aiming at a wider to older age range with TRTÉ than CBBC. Also RTÉjr may be overlap with younger age range programs on CBBC.


I heartily dislike Numbering as branding of channels. It's not whatsoever informative and alows with time the channels to become less differentiates. I'm against RTE3 as a name. Lyric FM is good example and far better than calling it RTE Radio 3, like BBC "Third Program" added to Home Service, Light Program and World Service. Now we have BBC Radios 1 to 7, apart from 3 = Third service, none of the numbers tell you anything. Stupid.
Bring back the Home Service as a Name I tell ye!

Too much music on RTE Radio 1. 2FM is a stupid Name. Network Two was no improvement on RTE2, no doubt that's why they reverted the name.

Yeah I understand your point. I don't specifically mean RTE THREE but I don't think they should limit the potential of the channel and it's perspective by calling RTEjr or TRTE. If the RTENL TEST TRANSMISSION 2 is to become a channel dedicated to Childrens content under the RTEjr and TRTE timeslots I think they should call the channel itself something other than these new brand.

Something like RTE EXTRA or RTE Eile (Pronounced Ella, Irish for Other) Actually now that I say that I kinda like it. RTE Eile

watty

My point is that Channels SHOULD be "limited" by their name, or else they merge to a lowest common denominator rather than quality specialist content "living up" to the name.

"limited" and excellent is better than "jack of all trades and master of none" in the post Analogue Multichannel era. When there was only one or two channels you didn't want to be limited by the name. Now it's a good thing.

frankymail

Is that feasible though in Ireland with limited specific content and a small population/audience when compared to DTT channels abroad broadcasting in larger markets like France and the UK?

Sure we'll see what happens soon anyway.

warlikedave

does the second test transmission channel - RTENL Transmission 2 is coming up black - is that the same for everyone or can ye see a test image? is that already broadcasting in HD format?

I hope they seperate the different genres into different channels - that would be class

Stinicker

warlikedave wrote: »

does the second test transmission channel - RTENL Transmission 2 is coming up black - is that the same for everyone or can ye see a test image? is that already broadcasting in HD format?

I hope they seperate the different genres into different channels - that would be class

Its coming up as normal is red for me.

warlikedave

Stinicker wrote: »

Its coming up as normal is red for me.

as completely red? all i see is pitch black with no audio but on a good note - all the other channels work for me - hmmm...what does anyone else see at he moment on RTENL test ch 2?

The Cush

warlikedave wrote: »

as completely red? all i see is pitch black with no audio but on a good note - all the other channels work for me - hmmm...what does anyone else see at he moment on RTENL test ch 2?

Testcard with Lyric FM audio here from both Mullaghanish and Woodcock Hill this morning.

Stinicker

The Cush wrote: »

Testcard with Lyric FM audio here from both Mullaghanish and Woodcock Hill this morning.

Was what I meant!

Deedsie

An RTÉ part time movie channel could be great. They might finally stop interupting films for breaks in the news. would have to be welcomed. Will all these possible new channels be carried by UPC and sky also?

watty

There may be a Film Channel in 2012

No. There will be no addtional content right now on UPC or Sky.
There will be a Free To Air copy of Saorview on Satellite called Saorsat. It will not be able to be received on ANY Skybox. But a Freesat HD box may work (even without HDTV), with suitable small 44cm 2nd dish and / or outdoor adaptor on 80cm solid dish. A Sky dish is unsuitable.

Possible Saorsat 2nd "dish"


Possible 80cm Triax adapted for 28E (freesat), 19E, 13E and 9E(Saorsat)

Saorsat requires a Ka Band single output LNB, even if it's feeding 4 or 8 tuners as all the signals are only one band and polarity.
http://www.techtir.ie/saortv

Deedsie

Will Saorsat be available in the UK?

watty

Only in NI. and very edge of west Coast of G.B.


The two olive coloured spots are same parameters of band and polarisation, and come from same Satellite. So any content on the coloured French Spot would block Irish Spot by interference in all of England, virtually all of Scotland, Wales and Cornwall. Any overspill would be similar to TV aerial overspill, or maybe less!

warlikedave

The Cush wrote: »

Testcard with Lyric FM audio here from both Mullaghanish and Woodcock Hill this morning.

Ive got that on RTENL test 1 while RTENL test 2 is still blank - cheers for teh answer - could be that my pc card isnt HD compatible - not too sure tho but doesnt the decoding work done by the computer and not jsut the card?

watty

Yes. It's just Software on PC.

galtee boy

glimmerman123 wrote: »

Over on one of the forums on the Saor TV website they are saying that changes and additions will be made to RTE DTT on the 13th October. It doesn't say what changes or additions will be made. It will be interesting to see if TV3 will make an appearance.

Slegs, as your in the trade, I presume your source's are reliable. Any hope you can give any further info on this, just to put us "doubting Thomas's" out of our misery and convince us that we'll see something different in the channel line up, other than the present mix of test cards and channels, from either the 13th or 31st October ?

warlikedave

galtee boy wrote: »

Slegs, as your in the trade, I presume your source's are reliable. Any hope you can give any further info on this, just to put us "doubting Thomas's" out of our misery and convince us that we'll see something different in the channel line up, other than the present mix of test cards and channels, from either the 13th or 31st October ?

Would be nice to not have to watch the champions league on TV3 in snowy analogue...hope 3e is coming over as well :P...the DVB-S2 format for satelitte looks briliant quality wise - was watching ZDF, ARTE and Das Eastre in HD and the detail is quality but the HD test for Eins set of channels is amaingly clear as well

hope the DVB-T HD format (will it be DVB-T2?) is as good as that - will it be?

The Cush

warlikedave wrote: »

hope the DVB-T HD format (will it be DVB-T2?)

For the umpteenth time it's DVB-T for SD & HD.

watty

Terrestrial
UK, only (maybe some more later):

SD = DVB-T and MPEG2
HD = DVB-T2 and MPEG4

France and some other places:

SD = DVB-T and MPEG2 or MPEG4
HD = DVB-T and MPEG4

Ireland and many other places

SD = DVB-T and MPEG4 only
HD = DVB-T and MPEG4

Satellite
Most Places Ku Band, existing Satellite locations/systems.

SD = DVB-S & MPEG2
HD = DVB-S OR DVB-S2 & MPEG4

Most Places Ka Band or new Satellite Locations/systems

SD = DVB-S2 & MPEG4
HD = DVB-S2 & MPEG4

DVB-S, DVB-S2, DVB-T, DVB-T2, DVB-C and DVB-C2 are only Modulation methods to carry the digital data on an Analogue Radio wave.

MPEG2 and MPEG4 are Codecs (Coding, Decoding) and say nothing about quality or resolution.

SD and HD are a family of resolutions. In themselves they say nothing about quality. HD is designed for larger screens, so always looks better than SD on same size screen.

Abstracted from http://www.techtir.ie/tv-radio/digital-modulation-coding

watty

galtee boy wrote: »

Slegs, as your in the trade, I presume your source's are reliable. Any hope you can give any further info on this, just to put us "doubting Thomas's" out of our misery and convince us that we'll see something different in the channel line up, other than the present mix of test cards and channels, from either the 13th or 31st October ?

The "Public Launch" is some time between April 2011 and December 2011. Yet to be announced. We have been waiting for over 10 years. Another six months isn't going to kill anyone?

Patience Grasshopper.

jamescc

watty wrote: »

TV3 won't pay for 3e untill > 60% or more of people have DTT. After all they reach almost 80% with TV3e now on Sky + UPC.

Actually by that logic, they may not even want to put TV3 on DTT till ASO.

so why did i pay 160 for tv licence

gtg60

jamescc wrote: »

so why did i pay 160 for tv licence

Because you have a TV??

warlikedave

In regards to TV3 and 3e

what a farce - a fair few people have switched over and they (TV3 and 3e) might want to hold out until 2012 - well i hope it kills off thier ratings when people start to move over in droves in the next year (obviously wont effect 3e since its only on sky).....so they then realise a move to DTT would be better sooner rather than later

watty

20%+ of analogue viewers don't get TV3. TV3's decision.