More on the "Psychoactive Substances" bill

Shulgin

More on this new 'Psychoactive substances" bill from Dermot Ahern.

http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Psychoactive_Substances_GS_Bill.pdf/Files/Psychoactive_Substances_GS_Bill.pdf

Tobacco and alcohol,foods,poisons are all exempt of course.
Pipes, bongs, cultivation supplies are all in this. Scary stuff.



http://www.examiner.ie/breakingnews/ireland/ahern-drafting-new-law-to-combat-head-shops-460289.html

Justice Minister Dermot Ahern is preparing laws that he hopes will put head shops out of business for good.

While last month's ban on a range of products shut many of them immediately, dozens have re-opened with new products or using different brand names or ingredients.

Minister Ahern is now drafting legislation - the General Scheme of the Criminal Justice (Psychoactive Substances) Bill - that would effectively outlaw any shop selling any form of a psycho-active substance.

"Under the proposed Scheme, the sale or supply of substances which are not specifically proscribed under the Misuse of Drugs Acts, but which have psychoactive effects, for human consumption will be a criminal offence," Minister Ahern said in a statement.

"The Scheme will give appropriate powers to the Garda Síochána and the courts to intervene quickly to prevent outlets from selling these products by way of appropriate prohibition orders.

"The Scheme will also contain full search and seizure powers for the Gardaí and Revenue’s Customs Service."

Minister Ahern said the bill was part of the Government’s "multi-pronged" approach targeting the activities of head shops.

And he hopes to have the new laws passed in the next month or so.

"I am pleased that the recent ban on the sale of substances such as mephedrone has had a very significant effect on the operations of head shops," Minister Ahern said.

"However, I am conscious that further action is necessary to deal with the emergence of potentially dangerous new substances not covered by the ban.

" Accordingly, I am proposing the Criminal Justice (Psychoactive Substances) Bill to ensure that the criminal law and the Gardaí can deal quickly and effectively with those who sell psychoactive substances for human consumption.

"The Bill is being drafted as a matter of priority and I look forward to publication and enactment of the Bill as soon as possible."

Read more: http://www.examiner.ie/breakingnews/ireland/ahern-drafting-new-law-to-combat-head-shops-460289.html#ixzz0pnzbM4uL

WindSock

*deep breath*

FUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKKKK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

*Exhales and lights cigarette* Te deedle dum...

Corkfeen

Love this part of the bill....
"“place” means a physical location and includes—
(a) a building or structure of any kind,
(b) a vessel, whether sea-going or not,
(c) an aircraft, whether capable of operation or not, and
(d) a hovercraft;"

Somebodies been watching too much 24....:D

Jay P

I'd love to know what he thinks about all the extra business that drug dealers have been getting in recent weeks...

orourkeda

We can't even get sh*tfaced anymore without FF sticking their oar in.

I wish they'd ever fack off.

easyeason3

Jay P wrote: »

I'd love to know what he thinks about all the extra business that drug dealers have been getting in recent weeks...

...and the savings they have made not buying petrol or firelighters.

Add that amount to the tax they don't pay & you would have a nice little amount to hide in the mattress.

Miguel_Sanchez

Corkfeen wrote: »

Love this part of the bill....
"“place” means a physical location and includes—
(a) a building or structure of any kind,
(b) a vessel, whether sea-going or not,
(c) an aircraft, whether capable of operation or not, and
(d) a hovercraft;"

Somebodies been watching too much 24....:D

What the hell am I going to do with this fleet of hovercrafts now? :mad:

Goodshape

Shulgin wrote: »

Pipes, bongs, cultivation supplies are all in this. Scary stuff.

Ah, ffs.

Somebody stop this country. I want off.

gazzer

Are they seriously going to ban the sale of bongs etc?

Pin_Cushion

All the scrambling going on with this legislation is embarrassing, three times now they've changed/add to it in three months?

they need to cop on and realize that they're playing an endless game of cat and mouse. If they're that desperate to control people they should just introduce a "misuse of your brain" act.

Indubitable

Goodshape wrote: »

Ah, ffs.

Somebody stop this country. I want off.

Where is the emergency brake?

Meh, I don't use bongs anymore and everyone has their contacts for proper drugs back so i'm happy.

Woow_Aqualung

gazzer wrote: »

Are they seriously going to ban the sale of bongs etc?

Make your own out of a Lucozade bottle.

Augmerson

Goodshape wrote: »

Ah, ffs.

Somebody stop this country. I want off.

Quote of the year. Maybe even decade.

Pin_Cushion

How is it possible to ban bongs or pipes unless you ban all bottles, all tube-like things, pens, I have MacGyvered improvised smoking devices out of practically everything in my kitchen.

Embarrassing, hapless government.

drunkmonkey

How the hell am I going to grow my tomatoes in the winter now??:mad:


ffs, one of the most stupid laws ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBNBEkXUJmM

Time to shake the gates!!

mikom

Shulgin wrote: »

Pipes, bongs, cultivation supplies are all in this. Scary stuff.

Where does it say this?

Yakult

They should ban bottles too, because you can makes bongs out of them.


Honestly tho, with all the interest in keeping the shops open etc. why dont we do something about it rather than talking about it on a forum. Lets protest and show the gov. that we arent just gonna sit back and take their nazi ways like we have done the past few years. This country is full of pussies who dont step up for the cause.

Abrasax

mikom wrote: »

Where does it say this?

4) sale of certain objects (part 4) on page 7.

mikom

Abrasax wrote: »

4) sale of certain objects (part 4) on page 7.

Gotcha, thanks.

Head 4 Sale of certain objects.
Provide that:
(1) A person who sells any object knowing or being reckless as to whether it will be used to cultivate anything in contravention of section 17 of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1977 by hydroponic means shall be guilty of an offence.
(2) Where a person is guilty of an offence under subhead (1), the court may, in addition to or as an alternative to any other penalty, order that the person shall not, for such period as the court may specify, but not exceeding 2 years, sell any object that may be used to cultivate plants by hydroponic means.
(3) A person who fails to comply with the terms of an order under subhead (2) shall be guilty of an offence.
(4) A person who sells any pipe, utensil or other object made or adapted for use in connection with the consumption of a controlled drug or psychoactive substance knowing or being reckless as to whether it will be so used shall be guilty of an offence.
(5) For the purposes of subheads (1) and (4) a person is reckless if his or her acts are such that a reasonable person would realise that the object sold by him or her will be used for a purpose mentioned in those subheads.

This is bollox.
"by hydroponic means" me hole.

Mr Benevolent

The following will be on the list of banned substance (because they are psychoactives):

Lettuce
Nutmeg
Morning Glory seeds
Alcohol
Peyote/San Pedro Cactus
Caffeine
Nicotine

Or are they going to specifically exclude these?

Oh yeah, and catnip too.

Jicked

Specifically excluded as Joe Duffy hasn't kicked up a fuss over them, and Ireland is one big Joe Show now, baby.

Indubitable

Confab wrote: »

The following will be on the list of banned substance (because they are psychoactives):

Lettuce
Nutmeg
Morning Glory seeds
Alcohol
Peyote/San Pedro Cactus
Caffeine
Nicotine

Or are they going to specifically exclude these?

I think these are excluded because the politicians couldn't live without them.
Hypocrites.

mikom

Confab wrote: »

The following will be on the list of banned substance (because they are psychoactives):

Lettuce

Yeah there's a new variety out called rocket......... supposed to blow the head off ya.

All those Hooka lovers beware.

Minstrel27

Anything to guarantee the Joe Duffy brigade votes.

Sofaspud

I only buy bongs for tobacco though!

While being a total lie, it makes a simple loophole.

Woow_Aqualung

(4) A person who sells any pipe, utensil or other object made or adapted for use in connection with the consumption of a controlled drug or psychoactive substance knowing or being reckless as to whether it will be so used shall be guilty of an offence.

So if someone sells a pipe to someone who makes it into a bong they can be charged with an offence?!

My name is URL

Deleted User wrote: »

Meh, I don't use bongs anymore and everyone has their contacts for proper drugs back so i'm happy.

I'm surprised that they haven't banned rolly papers.. sure what percentage of those sold are used to smoke weed? I'd say it's about 95% these days

They really haven't a clue

mikom

Woow_Aqualung wrote: »

So if someone sells a pipe to someone who makes it into a bong they can be charged with an offence?!

Yes, if the person selling it knew the other was going to use it for "drug" purposes.

Woow_Aqualung

mikom wrote: »

Yes, if the person selling it knew the other was going to use it for "drug" purposes.

Is that not hard to prove, though?

mikom

Woow_Aqualung wrote: »

Is that not hard to prove, though?

Who knows.
The whole thing is just one big ball of daggins,

Wagon

R_H_C_P wrote: »

They should ban bottles too, because you can makes bongs out of them.

They don't know that. Hope they never find out because i wouldn't put it past them.

Honestly tho, with all the interest in keeping the shops open etc. why dont we do something about it rather than talking about it on a forum. Lets protest and show the gov. that we arent just gonna sit back and take their nazi ways like we have done the past few years. This country is full of pussies who dont step up for the cause.

What will happpen is that a group of people will go down to the gates of Leinster House and protest. Then everyone walking past will say "look at those eejits" because a lot of people in Ireland are stupid like that. It's the reason there has been so little protest because when people do get up and say "alright lads, lets do something", most just laugh at them. Its useless. I wish we ALL had the balls to put a few hours aside to all go down a demand to be heard.

I'm all for greece style protests. I love my country, although it may not be perfect, i still like it. It's my home and it is to most people who post here. I hate seeing it go to the dogs because of the tiny amount of stupid people who are in charge. I'm not suprised by the new additions to this law, im just angry that its actually coming into existance.

Indubitable

My name is URL wrote: »

I'm surprised that they haven't banned rolly papers.. sure what percentage of those sold are used to smoke weed? I'd say it's about 95% these days

They really haven't a clue

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055649293

This thread has a poll asking cigarettes or rollies? The answer is roughly 50:50. Polls on boards are not a true reflection of society in general but give us a rough idea. I imagine that a figure of 95% is a bit too high.

El Weirdo

kingofthe3rdyrs wrote: »

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055649293

This thread has a poll asking cigarettes or rollies? The answer is roughly 50:50. Polls on boards are not a true reflection of society in general but give us a rough idea. I imagine that a figure of 95% is a bit too high.

Even if it was a true reflection on the country as a whole, it still wouldn't give us an idea on what percentage of rolling papers are sold for making joints.

Goodshape

I use rolling papers to smoke tobacco.

but I've never seen anyone use the larger rolling papers for anything other than joints

.

moonpurple

excellent development

close these shops down

makes it harder for the average 13 year old to find these filthy chemical toxins

not impossible

but harder...:pac:

genericguy

i want to hear this cnut tell us that alcohol and tobacco are completely harmless and that is why they are legal, or to tell us that they are massively dangerous and he doesn't give a fcuk about the people when there's precious revenue at stake.

why has nobody asked for the rationale behind these demented laws to be explained, with particular regard to why two seriously harmful products are sold on every street in the state?

this latest part basically means he can decide to have someone locked up for being in possession of any solid item with two fcuking holes in it. I hope the cnut dies of an allergic reaction to holy bread.

barrackali

Guys,

I think u lot are just going to have to accept that head shops are doomed.

Sofaspud

barrackali wrote: »

Guys,

I think u lot are just going to have to accept that head shops are doomed.

And the drug dealers are fcuking delighted

Indubitable

moonpurple wrote: »

excellent development

close these shops down

makes it harder for the average 13 year old to find these filthy chemical toxins

not impossible

but harder...:pac:

Not really, Ring up any drug supplier and the majority of them will probably come to meet you rather than walking/bus/lift down to the head shop. I would think it is just as easy or even easier to get the real deal compared to the head shop equivalents.

With the head shops closed it is once less access point to drugs. If someone wants to get drugs they will there is nothing that you can do to stop them. Instead of closing head shops perhaps bettter parenting would be what is needed to keep children away from these substances.

Carl Sagan

Right, so what can I do to piss off the idiots behind this?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

While I write this, I am preparing myself a marijuana cigarette, which I will enjoy to it's fullest I, like most others, had a nice tiring day at work. This did not come from any of the drug gangs, it's not funding any criminal activity, I know how many hands it passed through and I know it's not laced with 7up or some other crap. Keep introducing these new laws Mr Ahern and you will find a rise in crime, people will find alternatives, and it won't be beer sold by your scumbag thieving mates either.

The ban on drugs doesn't bother me too much, I would rather they put a temporary ban on them then studied the drugs and then regulated them, but that would involve too much brain power, of which there is none within the 4 walls of the Dail, all that sits there are scumbags, who on a daily basis, rape the general public with their fake expenses, their over indulgence in luxeries at our fcuking expense, they invenst money in rediculous areas and hold it back from essentials. What I am annoyed about is the banning of bongs, pipes and growing equipment. "That's illegal, because it may be used to smoke drugs"

This is not a step forward FF, it's a giant leap back you bunch of conservative tosspots.

But people, don't be decieved, this is not about your health, they couldn't give a shít about your childrens health, if they did why did they refuse to invest the pathetic amount of 10 million to protect your daughters from cervix cancer? Because that wouldn't secure enough votes. The young don't vote, simple as (I am not suggesting that 10 year olds vote), the old do vote, the people up in arms over this are the older, more ignorant generations. Those are the people that are voting, and those are the people that this cnut of a TD is tageting.

Health my fcuking hole, why don't you prioritise the overhaul of the HSE, you bunch of hypocritical degenerate scumbags?

I hope these bastards with vested interests die a horrible death... there I said it. And now I will light up and post nice placid things for the rest of the night...

Don't want this to turn to a political debate, but I have nothing against either FF or FG supporters, I simply dislike these bunch of arse bandits, they make Xavier angry...

Mike 1972

Franklin Drab Farmhouse wrote: »

I know it's not laced with 7up or some other crap.

eh ?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Mike 1972 wrote: »

eh ?

Ah some dealers, the shady type , spray the plant with a solution, sometimes 7up, sometimes chemicals that are completely unknown to people (from observation), they use water and sugar mix too, along with very fine glass, this all increases the weight of the product and adds value. It's not healthy at all.

genericguy

Mike 1972 wrote: »

eh ?

has been reported that weed is often soaked in this and then dried to increase its weight mikey.

Abrasax

Mike 1972 wrote: »

eh ?

To add weight to the weed.

mikom

Originally Posted by Iamxavier
I know it's not laced with 7up or some other crap.

Mike 1972 wrote: »

eh ?

Turns you into a pedophile I heard.

Indubitable

genericguy wrote: »

has been reported that weed is often soaked in this and then dried to increase its weight mikey.

Lets not even start about what is put into that soapbar sh*te.

Duck's hoop

As the old chestnut goes - if they'd brains they'd be dangerous.

Duck's hoop

genericguy wrote: »

has been reported that weed is often soaked in this and then dried to increase its weight mikey.

7Up wouldn't be as bad as the rumour among some tokers about really finely crushed glass being added to bulk it. Possible urban legend there though.