More on the "Psychoactive Substances" bill

Shulgin

More on this new 'Psychoactive substances" bill from Dermot Ahern.

http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Psychoactive_Substances_GS_Bill.pdf/Files/Psychoactive_Substances_GS_Bill.pdf

Tobacco and alcohol,foods,poisons are all exempt of course.
Pipes, bongs, cultivation supplies are all in this. Scary stuff.



http://www.examiner.ie/breakingnews/ireland/ahern-drafting-new-law-to-combat-head-shops-460289.html

Justice Minister Dermot Ahern is preparing laws that he hopes will put head shops out of business for good.

While last month's ban on a range of products shut many of them immediately, dozens have re-opened with new products or using different brand names or ingredients.

Minister Ahern is now drafting legislation - the General Scheme of the Criminal Justice (Psychoactive Substances) Bill - that would effectively outlaw any shop selling any form of a psycho-active substance.

"Under the proposed Scheme, the sale or supply of substances which are not specifically proscribed under the Misuse of Drugs Acts, but which have psychoactive effects, for human consumption will be a criminal offence," Minister Ahern said in a statement.

"The Scheme will give appropriate powers to the Garda Síochána and the courts to intervene quickly to prevent outlets from selling these products by way of appropriate prohibition orders.

"The Scheme will also contain full search and seizure powers for the Gardaí and Revenue’s Customs Service."

Minister Ahern said the bill was part of the Government’s "multi-pronged" approach targeting the activities of head shops.

And he hopes to have the new laws passed in the next month or so.

"I am pleased that the recent ban on the sale of substances such as mephedrone has had a very significant effect on the operations of head shops," Minister Ahern said.

"However, I am conscious that further action is necessary to deal with the emergence of potentially dangerous new substances not covered by the ban.

" Accordingly, I am proposing the Criminal Justice (Psychoactive Substances) Bill to ensure that the criminal law and the Gardaí can deal quickly and effectively with those who sell psychoactive substances for human consumption.

"The Bill is being drafted as a matter of priority and I look forward to publication and enactment of the Bill as soon as possible."

Read more: http://www.examiner.ie/breakingnews/ireland/ahern-drafting-new-law-to-combat-head-shops-460289.html#ixzz0pnzbM4uL

WindSock

*deep breath*

FUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKKKK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

*Exhales and lights cigarette* Te deedle dum...

Corkfeen

Love this part of the bill....
"“place” means a physical location and includes—
(a) a building or structure of any kind,
(b) a vessel, whether sea-going or not,
(c) an aircraft, whether capable of operation or not, and
(d) a hovercraft;"

Somebodies been watching too much 24....:D

Jay P

I'd love to know what he thinks about all the extra business that drug dealers have been getting in recent weeks...

orourkeda

We can't even get sh*tfaced anymore without FF sticking their oar in.

I wish they'd ever fack off.

easyeason3

Jay P wrote: »

I'd love to know what he thinks about all the extra business that drug dealers have been getting in recent weeks...

...and the savings they have made not buying petrol or firelighters.

Add that amount to the tax they don't pay & you would have a nice little amount to hide in the mattress.

Miguel_Sanchez

Corkfeen wrote: »

Love this part of the bill....
"“place” means a physical location and includes—
(a) a building or structure of any kind,
(b) a vessel, whether sea-going or not,
(c) an aircraft, whether capable of operation or not, and
(d) a hovercraft;"

Somebodies been watching too much 24....:D

What the hell am I going to do with this fleet of hovercrafts now? :mad:

Goodshape

Shulgin wrote: »

Pipes, bongs, cultivation supplies are all in this. Scary stuff.

Ah, ffs.

Somebody stop this country. I want off.

gazzer

Are they seriously going to ban the sale of bongs etc?

Pin_Cushion

All the scrambling going on with this legislation is embarrassing, three times now they've changed/add to it in three months?

they need to cop on and realize that they're playing an endless game of cat and mouse. If they're that desperate to control people they should just introduce a "misuse of your brain" act.

Indubitable

Goodshape wrote: »

Ah, ffs.

Somebody stop this country. I want off.

Where is the emergency brake?

Meh, I don't use bongs anymore and everyone has their contacts for proper drugs back so i'm happy.

Woow_Aqualung

gazzer wrote: »

Are they seriously going to ban the sale of bongs etc?

Make your own out of a Lucozade bottle.

Augmerson

Goodshape wrote: »

Ah, ffs.

Somebody stop this country. I want off.

Quote of the year. Maybe even decade.

Pin_Cushion

How is it possible to ban bongs or pipes unless you ban all bottles, all tube-like things, pens, I have MacGyvered improvised smoking devices out of practically everything in my kitchen.

Embarrassing, hapless government.

drunkmonkey

How the hell am I going to grow my tomatoes in the winter now??:mad:


ffs, one of the most stupid laws ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBNBEkXUJmM

Time to shake the gates!!

mikom

Shulgin wrote: »

Pipes, bongs, cultivation supplies are all in this. Scary stuff.

Where does it say this?

Yakult

They should ban bottles too, because you can makes bongs out of them.


Honestly tho, with all the interest in keeping the shops open etc. why dont we do something about it rather than talking about it on a forum. Lets protest and show the gov. that we arent just gonna sit back and take their nazi ways like we have done the past few years. This country is full of pussies who dont step up for the cause.

Abrasax

mikom wrote: »

Where does it say this?

4) sale of certain objects (part 4) on page 7.

mikom

Abrasax wrote: »

4) sale of certain objects (part 4) on page 7.

Gotcha, thanks.

Head 4 Sale of certain objects.
Provide that:
(1) A person who sells any object knowing or being reckless as to whether it will be used to cultivate anything in contravention of section 17 of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1977 by hydroponic means shall be guilty of an offence.
(2) Where a person is guilty of an offence under subhead (1), the court may, in addition to or as an alternative to any other penalty, order that the person shall not, for such period as the court may specify, but not exceeding 2 years, sell any object that may be used to cultivate plants by hydroponic means.
(3) A person who fails to comply with the terms of an order under subhead (2) shall be guilty of an offence.
(4) A person who sells any pipe, utensil or other object made or adapted for use in connection with the consumption of a controlled drug or psychoactive substance knowing or being reckless as to whether it will be so used shall be guilty of an offence.
(5) For the purposes of subheads (1) and (4) a person is reckless if his or her acts are such that a reasonable person would realise that the object sold by him or her will be used for a purpose mentioned in those subheads.

This is bollox.
"by hydroponic means" me hole.

Mr Benevolent

The following will be on the list of banned substance (because they are psychoactives):

Lettuce
Nutmeg
Morning Glory seeds
Alcohol
Peyote/San Pedro Cactus
Caffeine
Nicotine

Or are they going to specifically exclude these?

Oh yeah, and catnip too.

Jicked

Specifically excluded as Joe Duffy hasn't kicked up a fuss over them, and Ireland is one big Joe Show now, baby.

Indubitable

Confab wrote: »

The following will be on the list of banned substance (because they are psychoactives):

Lettuce
Nutmeg
Morning Glory seeds
Alcohol
Peyote/San Pedro Cactus
Caffeine
Nicotine

Or are they going to specifically exclude these?

I think these are excluded because the politicians couldn't live without them.
Hypocrites.

mikom

Confab wrote: »

The following will be on the list of banned substance (because they are psychoactives):

Lettuce

Yeah there's a new variety out called rocket......... supposed to blow the head off ya.

All those Hooka lovers beware.

Minstrel27

Anything to guarantee the Joe Duffy brigade votes.

Sofaspud

I only buy bongs for tobacco though!

While being a total lie, it makes a simple loophole.

Woow_Aqualung

(4) A person who sells any pipe, utensil or other object made or adapted for use in connection with the consumption of a controlled drug or psychoactive substance knowing or being reckless as to whether it will be so used shall be guilty of an offence.

So if someone sells a pipe to someone who makes it into a bong they can be charged with an offence?!

My name is URL

Deleted User wrote: »

Meh, I don't use bongs anymore and everyone has their contacts for proper drugs back so i'm happy.

I'm surprised that they haven't banned rolly papers.. sure what percentage of those sold are used to smoke weed? I'd say it's about 95% these days

They really haven't a clue

mikom

Woow_Aqualung wrote: »

So if someone sells a pipe to someone who makes it into a bong they can be charged with an offence?!

Yes, if the person selling it knew the other was going to use it for "drug" purposes.

Woow_Aqualung

mikom wrote: »

Yes, if the person selling it knew the other was going to use it for "drug" purposes.

Is that not hard to prove, though?