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[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]
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9I had planned to re-watch all of Lost: but during the few minutes at the end that I thought the island was purgatory too, I was vowing never to watch the show again - purely because I'd feel everything unfolding on the island wasn't real. But now I do want to go over it again, as everything on the island did happen prior to this purgatory business. This story isn't finished. It's like a loop that will play ad infinitum as we pick up more details and levels. Also jungle scenery is cool, and Locke is a legend.
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9During the course of this season i accepted that quite simply, The answers werent coming to those questions we have been asking for 6 years. What is the island? What exactly is the smoke monster? Why the egyptian stuff? Who built the statue? Why was walt special? etc. etc. etc.
I trusted the writers and i trusted that a story was going to be delivered to me that would ultimately satisfy me and justify the 6 years i have spent obsessing over every element of this show. After watching the finale all i can say is.. wow. I was satisfied.
I expected that i would be disappointed, i expected that i was going to be pissed off and curse the 100+ hours wasted on a show that was just winding us up and letting us down. But I really really really enjoyed this finale.
For those who feel they were really let down: You just need to try and accept that yes, (in relation to the island mythology) the writers were making it up as they went along, didn't have a road map or an entire back story for the island and that we would simply not get all the answers. When you watch the season as a whole and indeed the show as a whole you will realize that it was always about the characters, their relationships, their experiences and how the island effected their lives.
I've been a "man of science" since the very start of this show, i didn't pay much attention to the characters themselves and only really cared about the mythology. But this season changed my perspective. If the writers ended the show with an episode full of answers and mythology then i dont think it would have done their work justice.
Having said that i fully expect the Lost universe to continue in some way. ABC are sure as hell not going to let the franchise die down. I expect a book to come out eventually giving all us mythology crazy fans more info about the history of the island and the elements involved in the shows mythology.
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9DamoElDiablo wrote: »This sums up Lost, and every one of us that watched it very succinctly IMHO:
"One of the reasons I think "Lost" worked was that it was always more interested in the box and the person holding the box than what was in the box. A closed box is almost always a mystery, really, until you open it and see what's inside (which is how so many parents misdirect their kids on Christmas morning). All of the imitators of the show that have come along have focused far, far more on the contents of that box. They wanna shake it and hear if it rattles. They wanna pull back the wrapping paper and take a peek. "Lost" has always been satisfied to dump a package in your lap and think that's enough. Is it? Again, for me, absolutely. But if not for you, does the fact that you opened the box and didn't find what you wanted ruin the whole experience of the show, all of the fun you had along the way? It's not wrong to feel that way, not at all. But it probably does speak to the different kinds of people we are, and the different ways we react to art."
J.J. Abrams' mystery box!
http://www.ted.com/talks/j_j_abrams_mystery_box.html
Edit - Sorry Basq got their before me. I have so many tabs and forums with thoughts and emotions running wild I am just posting blindly at times
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Can you include a spoiler with that to say don't ****ing watch that if you haven't seen the Sopranos yet :eek:
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9I thought that as well but as he said they were all special, each in their own way and I guess like the others walt may have been the strongest candidate of them all and maybe thats why he was so "special". But in fairness his ability was no better than Hurleys but i understand your frustration. I think i've spent my morning "letting go" and coming to grips with the ending, I gave it an 8 initially but I watched the last 6 minutes and it was very well done and i think it deserves a 10. Maybe, Vincent was something to do with Walt but unless the writers say it then its up to us to guess
The more I think about it and the more I read the more the episode is sitting right with me, the thing with Walt and Michael just jumps at me because its such an obvious piece of the jigsaw that hasn't really fallen into place with the way I am understanding the overall picture and I haven't read or thought of anything to satisfy my curiosity I mean cool they are all special in their own way and that works because we get pay-offs for all of them but in Walt's case we don't which is hard to understand as at one stage he is put up as the most special one yet he doesn't feature in the end!
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9The more I think about it and the more I read the more the episode is sitting right with me, the thing with Walt and Michael just jumps at me because its such an obvious piece of the jigsaw that hasn't really fallen into place with the way I am understanding the overall picture and I haven't read or thought of anything to satisfy my curiosity I mean cool they are all special in their own way and that works because we get pay-offs for all of them but in Walt's cause we don't which is hard to understand as at one stage he is put up as the most special one yet he doesn't feature in the end!
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The way I look at it is Walt had some kind of psychic powers (or something like that!), which is why the others took the interest in him. But the reason that everyone was meeting up in the church was that the Island was the most important thing in their lives. Maybe Walt had something that happened in his life that was more important.
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78/10. thought they couldn't have ended it any other way. liked it but was a bit disappointed. good few unanswered questions. but it hasn't ruined the series for me (as some people think it did for them), but it never would have. i'd have been happy with any ending.
Joke
Person 1: Hi, i've got a problem with my island.
Person 2: Have you tried switching it off and on?
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Just been checking now. I don't think they're supposed to be wearin gthe same clothes as they wore in the plane crash. Jack for one is in different gear..
Plane crash
http://www.finger-jam.co.uk/fjw/wp-content/uploads/Lost-Series-1-Ep-1-2-Pilot-3.jpg
The End
http://abc.go.com/shows/lost/episode-guide?page=1
So is Kate, IIRC she was wearing an orangey top when the crash happened.
I was wrong to think that there was any connection between the clothes they were wearing at the time of the crash and at the end.
But Kate was wearing a black dress (etched into my memory) when she walked to the church. But was wearing something different when she was in the church. 7.8kwp South facing, Slane.
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9so what did the button do?
what was the black smoke?
the others? and the china man. Who sent him and how did siead come back to life??
whats the criac with the darma thang.
why was mr Echo from series one not a part of the last show.
Total poo.
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This isn't a smart back-answer, out of my own interest I want to see if I answer these right.
(1) The button released pent-up electromagnetic energy at regular intervals from a catastrophic breach in the island's innards, that Dharma caused when drilling for the EM source. Basically, they punctured the "light cave" and couldn't seal it up totally. They had to relieve pressure every 108 minutes. They also had a failsafe to release it completely, if needed. I guess they preferred the button as the outcome was more certain. Also whoever turned the failsafe key developed some odd abilities, as our friend Des found out.
(2) The black smoke was an entity released from the cave when Jacob's brother, and possibly whenever anyone, was thrown into the light (maybe Jacob's mother too? She did cane an entire village and back-filled a deep well in moments). Way I see it, it was the opposite of the light, which makes sense in a show filled with opposites. It was evil. Maybe when you corrupt the light with a human body, it spits it back as this entity. It could mimick dead people's bodies, and it wanted badly to leave the island. It also seemed to retain the memories of anyone whose body it mimicked. I'm thinking it was composed primarily of carbon molecules suspended in an inert gas that could solidify whenever it wanted to hurl someone against a wall or uproot a tree
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(3) The Others: at any given point, Jacob's followers. In most of the 6 seasons they seemed to be organised as one mass and favoured the Temple as their home. A disperate group originally, coming from many different sources/shipwrecks/planes/submarines and coming together under one banner: protect the light. They also purged the bejaesus out of Dharma. They all had back-stories back in the real world, e.g. Richard. So really, the same as the Losties but with more direction and generally less value on human life.
(4) The China man was the lead scientist working for the Dharma initiative, and also Myles' pop. Who sent him? I guess Dharma recruited him and sent him to the island. He might have had a PhD on electromagnetic caves and their effects on the migration of polar bears.
(5) The light was life, death, rebirth. Water flowing through it carried its properties, so when Sayid was bathed in it he was reborn.
(6) Dharma: as someone else put it very well, a bunch of hippies who colonised the island and performed experiments on EM, and, curiously enough, polar bears and sharks (and maybe giant green birds?). I think we can infer that it's just a secret scientific foundation that somehow located the island and decided to explore its inner power. Anyway, they were cool and had a funky logo. Also a [EMAIL="bad-@ss"]bad-@ss[/EMAIL] submarine and barracks, which the Others subsquently appropriated (see Purge).
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9how did the island disappear. and what was the big wheel thing underground that made it happen.
The donkey wheel channeled the water and the light. Stubbly man in black clothes explained this!
The problem is no explanation would be satisfying for this: e.g. the wheel induced a slow, localised rotation in the island's crust that warped space and time, dislocated it from its current position and inserted it at a different point in the timeline, because of the effect of mixing electromagnetic energy and water at that particular location in the Earth's magnetic field. The mathematics are complex but correct. It was frozen because of regular time travel, much like the DeLorean.
It really does only work as a mystery I'm afraid.
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