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[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

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  • #302
    prinz
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    The Rook wrote: »
    Anyone else notice the different windows of the stained glass window in the church that had the symbols of different religions on it...one of them was a wheel (very similar to the wheel that moved the island) ...anyone know if that's really a religious symbol or if the Lost creators just threw it in there as a "nod" to the wheel from the island?

    The Buddhist Wheel of Life (also used in Hinduism). It's a real religious symbol.


  • #303
    FutureGuy
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    DamoElDiablo wrote: »
    Apart from his injuries and clothing being completely different too...

    Very true, I'm looking forward to watching it again this evening!


  • #304
    Stuxnet
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    ixoy wrote: »
    I think it's quite simple:

    For those who wanted plot answers and mythology resolutions: Finale failed.

    For those who wanted character and their stories and lives resolved: Finale succeed big time.

    I wanted a bit of both so was pretty happy, but would like more answers as to what exactly happened with many of the plot threads.
    ya kinda, the finale was acceptable in the way it has dealt with and explained flash-sideways for season 6,
    the finale has totally disregarded anything that actually DID happen on the island s1-5, so lost may as well of ended after season 5. this is the killer blow for me, wtf were they thinking.
    I feel ass raped :mad:


  • #305
    Marcaiocht_Tonn
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    I had planned to re-watch all of Lost: but during the few minutes at the end that I thought the island was purgatory too, I was vowing never to watch the show again - purely because I'd feel everything unfolding on the island wasn't real. But now I do want to go over it again, as everything on the island did happen prior to this purgatory business. This story isn't finished. It's like a loop that will play ad infinitum as we pick up more details and levels. Also jungle scenery is cool, and Locke is a legend. ;)


  • #306
    chupacabra
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    During the course of this season i accepted that quite simply, The answers werent coming to those questions we have been asking for 6 years. What is the island? What exactly is the smoke monster? Why the egyptian stuff? Who built the statue? Why was walt special? etc. etc. etc.
    I trusted the writers and i trusted that a story was going to be delivered to me that would ultimately satisfy me and justify the 6 years i have spent obsessing over every element of this show. After watching the finale all i can say is.. wow. I was satisfied.

    I expected that i would be disappointed, i expected that i was going to be pissed off and curse the 100+ hours wasted on a show that was just winding us up and letting us down. But I really really really enjoyed this finale.
    For those who feel they were really let down: You just need to try and accept that yes, (in relation to the island mythology) the writers were making it up as they went along, didn't have a road map or an entire back story for the island and that we would simply not get all the answers. When you watch the season as a whole and indeed the show as a whole you will realize that it was always about the characters, their relationships, their experiences and how the island effected their lives.

    I've been a "man of science" since the very start of this show, i didn't pay much attention to the characters themselves and only really cared about the mythology. But this season changed my perspective. If the writers ended the show with an episode full of answers and mythology then i dont think it would have done their work justice.

    Having said that i fully expect the Lost universe to continue in some way. ABC are sure as hell not going to let the franchise die down. I expect a book to come out eventually giving all us mythology crazy fans more info about the history of the island and the elements involved in the shows mythology.

    Also, Vincent coming out of the jungle when Jack was dying.... wow.. one of the greatest tv moments in my life time. ;)


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  • #307
    dclifford
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    Can somebody check out if the clothes they were wearing in the church at the end were the same clothes they were wearing when the plan crashed in the first ever episode?
    I thought that they were when I saw it this morning.

    7.8kwp South facing, Slane.



  • #308
    big_show
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    Jmmy Kimmels Alt Endings

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyKyjeRodd4


    p.s. they are shit


  • #309
    opr
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    DamoElDiablo wrote: »
    This sums up Lost, and every one of us that watched it very succinctly IMHO:

    "One of the reasons I think "Lost" worked was that it was always more interested in the box and the person holding the box than what was in the box. A closed box is almost always a mystery, really, until you open it and see what's inside (which is how so many parents misdirect their kids on Christmas morning). All of the imitators of the show that have come along have focused far, far more on the contents of that box. They wanna shake it and hear if it rattles. They wanna pull back the wrapping paper and take a peek. "Lost" has always been satisfied to dump a package in your lap and think that's enough. Is it? Again, for me, absolutely. But if not for you, does the fact that you opened the box and didn't find what you wanted ruin the whole experience of the show, all of the fun you had along the way? It's not wrong to feel that way, not at all. But it probably does speak to the different kinds of people we are, and the different ways we react to art."

    J.J. Abrams' mystery box!

    http://www.ted.com/talks/j_j_abrams_mystery_box.html

    Edit - Sorry Basq got their before me. I have so many tabs and forums with thoughts and emotions running wild I am just posting blindly at times :)

    Opr


  • #310
    prinz
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    dclifford wrote: »
    Can somebody check out if the clothes they were wearing in the church at the end were the same clothes they were wearing when the plan crashed in the first ever episode?
    I thought that they were when I saw it this morning.

    Kate weas still wearing the little black dress right? She wasn't on the plane.


  • #311
    Basq
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    opr wrote: »
    J.J. Abrams' mystery box!

    http://www.ted.com/talks/j_j_abrams_mystery_box.html
    Pfft.. FAIL! :pac:


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  • #312
    dclifford
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    prinz wrote: »
    Kate weas still wearing the little black dress right? She wasn't on the plane.
    I don't think she had the dress on in the church. That is what is making ask the question.

    I was up early this morning and probably saw things that were not there.

    7.8kwp South facing, Slane.



  • #313
    opr
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    big_show wrote: »
    Jmmy Kimmels Alt Endings

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyKyjeRodd4


    p.s. they are shit

    Can you include a spoiler with that to say don't ****ing watch that if you haven't seen the Sopranos yet :eek:

    Opr


  • #314
    Pacing Mule
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    Well I had a bad day yesterday - felt a little down. Watched this this morning and felt myself welling up on a number of occasions. Was convinced I was depressed because I wouldn't normally get emotional about a show. Glad to see others found it as emotional as I did. (Either we're all depressed or that was a special piece of writing)


  • #315
    Keano
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    dclifford wrote: »
    I don't think she had the dress on in the church. That is what is making ask the question.

    I was up early this morning and probably saw things that were not there.
    You're right about in the church. She had different clothes on.


  • #316
    dclifford
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    Keano A Legend wrote: »
    You're right about in the church. She had different clothes on.

    All the stuff going on and I pick up on something like that.

    Do people think it was a continuity error or intentional?

    7.8kwp South facing, Slane.



  • #317
    Star Lord
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    I think it was intentional, she was back in a sleeveless tshirt/top.


  • #318
    opr
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    basquille wrote: »
    PS - I did find it odd that Carlton said in the 'Times Talk LIVE' interview (superb viewing if you haven't seen it - an hour and 50 minutes long) that we'd see Walt. But we didn't..!

    Just going back over the thread since I gave my initial reaction and I hadn't seen this at the time when I asked about Walt.

    I hate his explanation (I haven't watched the whole thing yet just the bit you pointed out) about Walt due to the fact that its just not enough. Walt always came across as someone who would be intrinsically linked to the explanation of things and now that I have seen Carlton said we would see him in the Finale makes me think they also felt it was something that should have been resolved but were unable to do.

    Opr


  • #319
    FortuneChip
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    Could Jack not have put the cork back in, then done a legger and have the lads help him up? Not to say his injuries might not have killed him anyway... But might have left him with a shorter walk to the bamboo trees, not to mention some company for the walk

    Or was hanging around all part of his hero sacrifice?


  • #320
    Basq
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    opr wrote: »
    .. now that I have seen Carlton said we would see him in the Finale makes me think they also felt it was something that should have been resolved but were unable to do..
    That "Talk" was on last Friday night so the finale was in the bag at that stage (since last Monday or Tuesday IIRC).

    Maybe it'll be a deleted scene.


  • #321
    Keano
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    DamoElDiablo wrote: »
    I think it was intentional, she was back in a sleeveless tshirt/top.
    I am thinking the same. Moving on she is...


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  • #322
    requiem1
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    opr wrote: »
    Just going back over the thread since I gave my initial reaction and I hadn't seen this at the time when I asked about Walt.

    I hate his explanation (I haven't watched the whole thing yet just the bit you pointed out) about Walt due to the fact that its just not enough. Walt always came across as someone who would be intrinsically linked to the explanation of things and now that I have seen Carlton said we would see him in the Finale makes me think they also felt it was something that should have been resolved but were unable to do.

    Opr

    I thought that as well but as he said they were all special, each in their own way and I guess like the others walt may have been the strongest candidate of them all and maybe thats why he was so "special". But in fairness his ability was no better than Hurleys but i understand your frustration. I think i've spent my morning "letting go" and coming to grips with the ending, I gave it an 8 initially but I watched the last 6 minutes and it was very well done and i think it deserves a 10. Maybe, Vincent was something to do with Walt but unless the writers say it then its up to us to guess


  • #323
    JP Liz V1
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    Anyone else think that ending was a cop out? 6 years of dead people running around in limbo :rolleyes:
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #324
    Keano
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Anyone else think that ending was a cop out? 6 years of dead people running around in limbo :rolleyes:
    Have you not read people's opinions on the last 9 pages?!


  • #325
    podgemonster
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    Well what is there to say, its over. Watched this through my leaving cert, through four years of college and now at work. The End, I felt was a fitting way to say goodbye to the characters we have come to know, love and hate.

    The episode was well paced constantly switching and the first hour was thrilling to watch and no-one knew what was going to happen. The acting was top-notch also.

    Jack character became the hero he was always meant to be, a tragic hero, he had nothing to go to off the island, he couldn't maintain a relationship with Kate. He felt guilt over the deaths of many of the characters, in particular Locke. In the end he sacrificed himself for the island and for his friends, the plane flying over as he lay there dying was very emotional.

    Lapidus, Miles and Richards part was really kept the humour going and +1 to everyone who referenced Father Ted, I was thinking the same thing. Great to see Vincent 2.

    In the sideways the reunions were very sad in particular imo Sawyer and Juliets going from strange aquaintances to long lost lovers. Looking back now I realise that these meetings are years away from what happens, more than likely Sawyer landed back in LA, got a job and grew old, thought of Juliet everyday and then eventually died. In this alternate heavan/purgatory they finally meet again.

    In the same way, Sun and Jin never really got to see their daughter again. Well Jin never saw her.

    Ben and Eloise didn want to move on because they wanted the time to be with their respected children for not having that luxury in the past life to do this. Ben also wanted a piece of Rouseau, I dont blame him. And if I was Sayid, i leave the church off too and get Shannon to a tent asap.

    The episode wasn't perfect and writers did stick to alot of the touchy feely pieces rather than the dark mysterious side of the show. The smoke monster in true form does not attack or kill anyone. No Polar Bear!!!Kate shoots Locke! screw that, it shudda been Sawyer or even better Ben with a great line like ' im just full of suprises John' or 'i dont want to be on your dam boat'.

    I would have prefered a darker twist as mentioned before, Hurley sitting on the beach like Jacob and another major character says the line 'i want to kill you' etc. However I will settle for Jacks eye closing.that was good and original.

    One thing that did struck me was: MiB was human once Des pulled the plug so once he got to his boat and off the island he would still be human and could no longer wreck the havoc off island Widmore said he would, he would just be a normal bald guy. Naturally he did get what he deserved in the end, tho a little early. An hour to go and no villian made that hour less dramatic.

    Still as much as you can fault it, you gotta love it, there is nothing like Lost. A great story was regardless of how happy and chummy the Sideways is, the story was a tragic one.

    10/10


  • #326
    Handsome Bob
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Anyone else think that ending was a cop out? 6 years of dead people running around in limbo :rolleyes:

    They weren't dead for the entire time. What happened on the island was real. The flash sideways merely represented the losties, upon dying in their own time, re-connecting with each other in order to "move on together".


  • #327
    Woddle
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    As it stands right now, I'm not happy, if what happened on the island is real then how could Jack have been involved if he died shortly after the plane crashed. Confused


  • #328
    homerun_homer
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    I can't hang around and talk about the episode since I've to head to catch a flight but if I could sum it up in one word it would be 'beautiful'.

    It was very bittersweet, very sad and a good pay off. Not one you could easily predict as only Lost can do but compared to say... the BSG finale (which had all kinds of wrong things going on), this paid off regardless of it not answering mysteries.

    Blu Ray DVD set, I await your arrival.

    It put a smile on my face when Hurley and Ben complimented each other. I choked up as they all 'moved on'.


  • #329
    prinz
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    DamoElDiablo wrote: »
    I think it was intentional, she was back in a sleeveless tshirt/top.

    Just been checking now. I don't think they're supposed to be wearin gthe same clothes as they wore in the plane crash. Jack for one is in different gear..

    Plane crash
    http://www.finger-jam.co.uk/fjw/wp-content/uploads/Lost-Series-1-Ep-1-2-Pilot-3.jpg

    The End
    http://abc.go.com/shows/lost/episode-guide?page=1

    So is Kate, IIRC she was wearing an orangey top when the crash happened.


  • #330
    FutureGuy
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    And now, I'm off to ride Mrs. O'Reilly...


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  • #331
    prinz
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    Woddle wrote: »
    As it stands right now, I'm not happy, if what happened on the island is real then how could Jack have been involved if he died shortly after the plane crashed. Confused

    He didn't die shortly after the plane crash :confused:

    Were people watching the same episode?


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