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[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

Sad Professor

- WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN "THE END" -

Episode Title: "The End" (Series Finale)
Airdate: May 23rd 2010

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homerun_homer

PS......

LAPIDUS LIVES!!!!!!:D:D

Marcaiocht_Tonn

I punched the air in victory when it turned out that Lapidus and Richard were alive. Lapidus throwing the walkie on the chair and shouting "don't bother me", with Ben replying "sounds like they're making progress" was class.

Also Myles picking Richard's grey hair out and saying "welcome to the club" was great. Then as Richard looked at the hair you could hear his theme tune, quality stuff.

I'm still a bit confused by Jack and MIB bringing Des to the light and just lowering him down, no instruction, no nothing, and cooperating with one another (though I realise the latter is probably the rules again). And then Desmond just pulling the plug, usually he's more clued-in than that, any idea why he did it...? Also MIB seemed to have far more purpose in his intent to destroy the island, then he ends up just having faith in the fact that Desmond will do the wrong thing and pull the plug.

Though maybe Des was just doing whatever, as he seemed to know that the afterlife awaited them regardless of what happened...

opr

requiem1 wrote: »

I thought that as well but as he said they were all special, each in their own way and I guess like the others walt may have been the strongest candidate of them all and maybe thats why he was so "special". But in fairness his ability was no better than Hurleys but i understand your frustration. I think i've spent my morning "letting go" and coming to grips with the ending, I gave it an 8 initially but I watched the last 6 minutes and it was very well done and i think it deserves a 10. Maybe, Vincent was something to do with Walt but unless the writers say it then its up to us to guess

The more I think about it and the more I read the more the episode is sitting right with me, the thing with Walt and Michael just jumps at me because its such an obvious piece of the jigsaw that hasn't really fallen into place with the way I am understanding the overall picture and I haven't read or thought of anything to satisfy my curiosity

I mean cool they are all special in their own way and that works because we get pay-offs for all of them but in Walt's case we don't which is hard to understand as at one stage he is put up as the most special one yet he doesn't feature in the end!

Opr

Sad Professor

Just watched it and I'm kinda speechless. Really not able to gather my thoughts right now. Plenty of time to debate it in the days and weeks to come. But I loved it. Those final 15 minutes in particular. Perfect ending imo.

gsxr1

so what did the button do?
what was the black smoke?
the others? and the china man. Who sent him and how did siead come back to life??
whats the criac with the darma thang.
why was mr Echo from series one not a part of the last show.

Total poo.
:mad:

wes

Loved the ending. Really enjoyed watching this. Will have to rewatch the whole things, once the Blu-ray comes out.

Star Lord

opr wrote: »

The more I think about it and the more I read the more the episode is sitting right with me, the thing with Walt and Michael just jumps at me because its such an obvious piece of the jigsaw that hasn't really fallen into place with the way I am understanding the overall picture and I haven't read or thought of anything to satisfy my curiosity I mean cool they are all special in their own way and that works because we get pay-offs for all of them but in Walt's cause we don't which is hard to understand as at one stage he is put up as the most special one yet he doesn't feature in the end!

Opr

The way I look at it is Walt had some kind of psychic powers (or something like that!), which is why the others took the interest in him. But the reason that everyone was meeting up in the church was that the Island was the most important thing in their lives. Maybe Walt had something that happened in his life that was more important.

It was so important for Penny because of Des and her dad.

RolandIRL

8/10. thought they couldn't have ended it any other way. liked it but was a bit disappointed. good few unanswered questions. but it hasn't ruined the series for me (as some people think it did for them), but it never would have. i'd have been happy with any ending.

Joke
Person 1: Hi, i've got a problem with my island.
Person 2: Have you tried switching it off and on?

FortuneChip

Right, quick question.
As of the season 6 premiere, we're led to believe that the A-Bomb caused the (at the time named) Flash Sideways or Alternate Universe. However, we were actually seeing people after they died, before they remembered (so keep it short and sweet)
If the writers intention was to trick us into thinking that exact scenario, kudos to them, as I for one bought it.
But I'm curious then as to what Juliet claimed "Worked"
Have I missed something?

Lack of sleep has forced this post to be bullet points

astrofool

Widmore's story really seemed to be cut short.

So Jacob really did tell Widmore to bring Des back, so he could take out the plug and make MIB vulnerable?

And the EM experiments allowed Des to see the other life temporarily, which made him accept everything that would then happen.

dclifford

prinz wrote: »

Just been checking now. I don't think they're supposed to be wearin gthe same clothes as they wore in the plane crash. Jack for one is in different gear..

Plane crash
http://www.finger-jam.co.uk/fjw/wp-content/uploads/Lost-Series-1-Ep-1-2-Pilot-3.jpg

The End
http://abc.go.com/shows/lost/episode-guide?page=1

So is Kate, IIRC she was wearing an orangey top when the crash happened.

I was wrong to think that there was any connection between the clothes they were wearing at the time of the crash and at the end.
But Kate was wearing a black dress (etched into my memory

) when she walked to the church. But was wearing something different when she was in the church.

pablomakaveli

Im surprised Ana Lucia wasnt there either. Given that when she appeared in the second last episode and Hurley said something like "What about her?" to Desomond and he replied with something like " She's not ready yet" or something like that. Kind of had me thinking she'd have some role to play in the finale.

Marcaiocht_Tonn

gsxr1 wrote: »

so what did the button do?
what was the black smoke?
the others? and the china man. Who sent him and how did siead come back to life??
whats the criac with the darma thang.
why was mr Echo from series one not a part of the last show.

Total poo.
:mad:

This isn't a smart back-answer, out of my own interest I want to see if I answer these right

.

(1) The button released pent-up electromagnetic energy at regular intervals from a catastrophic breach in the island's innards, that Dharma caused when drilling for the EM source. Basically, they punctured the "light cave" and couldn't seal it up totally. They had to relieve pressure every 108 minutes. They also had a failsafe to release it completely, if needed. I guess they preferred the button as the outcome was more certain. Also whoever turned the failsafe key developed some odd abilities, as our friend Des found out.

(2) The black smoke was an entity released from the cave when Jacob's brother, and possibly whenever anyone, was thrown into the light (maybe Jacob's mother too? She did cane an entire village and back-filled a deep well in moments). Way I see it, it was the opposite of the light, which makes sense in a show filled with opposites. It was evil. Maybe when you corrupt the light with a human body, it spits it back as this entity. It could mimick dead people's bodies, and it wanted badly to leave the island. It also seemed to retain the memories of anyone whose body it mimicked. I'm thinking it was composed primarily of carbon molecules suspended in an inert gas that could solidify whenever it wanted to hurl someone against a wall or uproot a tree

.

(3) The Others: at any given point, Jacob's followers. In most of the 6 seasons they seemed to be organised as one mass and favoured the Temple as their home. A disperate group originally, coming from many different sources/shipwrecks/planes/submarines and coming together under one banner: protect the light. They also purged the bejaesus out of Dharma. They all had back-stories back in the real world, e.g. Richard. So really, the same as the Losties but with more direction and generally less value on human life.

(4) The China man was the lead scientist working for the Dharma initiative, and also Myles' pop. Who sent him? I guess Dharma recruited him and sent him to the island. He might have had a PhD on electromagnetic caves and their effects on the migration of polar bears.

(5) The light was life, death, rebirth. Water flowing through it carried its properties, so when Sayid was bathed in it he was reborn.

(6) Dharma: as someone else put it very well, a bunch of hippies who colonised the island and performed experiments on EM, and, curiously enough, polar bears and sharks (and maybe giant green birds?). I think we can infer that it's just a secret scientific foundation that somehow located the island and decided to explore its inner power. Anyway, they were cool and had a funky logo. Also a [EMAIL="bad-@ss"]bad-@ss[/EMAIL] submarine and barracks, which the Others subsquently appropriated (see Purge).

(7) Eko. I don't think Mr Eko is as important as people make him out to be. Just another interesting character in a whole show of characters. He wasn't part of the core group, and so probably moved on with some other people, e.g. his brother.

johnny_ultimate

Having had a few hours to sleep on it - or more appropriately lie in bed as my body clock tried to comprehend what time it was, and failing - I still stand by initial gushing reactions. It's remarkable how moving a finale it was - they may have been sentimental, but the moments with Jack/Kate on the cliff and Juliet / Sawyer & Claire / Charlie in the flash-purgatory (anyone?) were some of the best character moments I've ever seen on television. Six seasons and they created some fascinating, deeply flawed people. There were plenty of times you hated them, but seeing most of them gathered together at the end, finally being granted their happy ending made for some wonderful moments.

I still think Lost was all about the mystery and these people, the answers usually disappointing or more mysterious again.

There were weak moments in all seasons, and this one in particular shuddered along on occasion. But if the writers were just aiming for this - an intriguing, character-based and thematic conclusion to their show - they totally succeeded. Bits like Nikki and Paolo remind me how silly Lost was sometimes, but this episode was some seriously moving and effective entertainment. I'm an atheist, but the spiritual conclusion really fitted in thematically and hence I really bought into it. It just made sense within the context of the world they've created, those multiple religious symbols behind Christian on the window not accepting one particular belief system but embracing them all.

If there was one issue I had when reflecting, it was how the hell is Desmond getting home?

Then I just realise, that like all those other small, unanswered questions:

A wizard did it.

gsxr1

how did the island disappear. and what was the big wheel thing underground that made it happen.

Star Lord

Sad Professor wrote: »

Just watched it and I'm kinda speechless. Really not able to gather my thoughts right now. Plenty of time to debate it in the days and weeks to come. But I loved it. Those final 15 minutes in particular. Perfect ending imo.

When someone like yourself who is usually quite... verbose... and good at explaining how you felt about episodes, what you liked and what you didn't is left speechless, then I think that shows what a damn good job they did with this finale.

IMHO best TV finale ever. I'm glad it went the way it did. I think if it had gone in the way that people thought (beach scene with Jack + some new MIB) then it'd have been good, but somewhat lacking, like the end of Quantum Leap. (Which I loved, but the ending left me feeling empty)

gsxr1 wrote: »

so what did the button do?
what was the black smoke?
the others? and the china man. Who sent him and how did siead come back to life??
whats the criac with the darma thang.
why was mr Echo from series one not a part of the last show.

Total poo.
:mad:

Have you watched any episodes this season at all?

Marcaiocht_Tonn

gsxr1 wrote: »

how did the island disappear. and what was the big wheel thing underground that made it happen.

The donkey wheel channeled the water and the light. Stubbly man in black clothes explained this!

The problem is no explanation would be satisfying for this: e.g. the wheel induced a slow, localised rotation in the island's crust that warped space and time, dislocated it from its current position and inserted it at a different point in the timeline, because of the effect of mixing electromagnetic energy and water at that particular location in the Earth's magnetic field. The mathematics are complex but correct. It was frozen because of regular time travel, much like the DeLorean.

It really does only work as a mystery I'm afraid.

Did we ever question Castle Duckula?

Dymo

Firstly I hope people will man up a bit, no need for all this crying and balling. This episode wasn't too bad and fitted into the theme of season 6 and ended quite well. What pissed me off is not this episode but the continuous injection of elements about the island, people and history which now apparently were never going to be answered by the writers. In the promo to this season everything was going to be revealed! but that never really happened.

I watched the previous 5 seasons before this season started and was ready for joining up the pieces and even though a lot was answered I think they brushed parts that could of being dealt with better and they had plenty of time. The whole FS could of be done in 4 episodes.

Overall the show was well worth watching but I still feel they could of done a better job.

gsxr1

DamoElDiablo wrote: »

When someone like yourself who is usually quite... verbose... and good at explaining how you felt about episodes, what you liked and what you didn't is left speechless, then I think that shows what a damn good job they did with this finale.

IMHO best TV finale ever. I'm glad it went the way it did. I think if it had gone in the way that people thought (beach scene with Jack + some new MIB) then it'd have been good, but somewhat lacking, like the end of Quantum Leap. (Which I loved, but the ending left me feeling empty)

Have you watched any episodes this season at all?

yeah every one. but nothing is clear.

why did lock (or the evil twin turn into the smoke after he went down the hole). Unanswered
Who put the button there and why. unanswered as well.
siead comes back from the dead. How?

You could try and amagine the details . but then what would be the point of watching then.

If ye could tell me any of the answers. It would be great. maybe I have forgot . its been years since the first show

RolandIRL

the people who voted 1/10...would ye have been satisfied with any ending or would ye still have voted the same?

the ending was good. brings it all full circle, with Vincent and Jack closing his eyes.

the finale's like marmite. some love it and some hate it.

opr

Ah fcuk it I have jumped on the 10 bus.

Opr

Marcaiocht_Tonn

gsxr1 wrote: »

yeah every one. but nothing is clear.

why did lock (or the evil twin turn into the smoke after he went down the hole). Unanswered
Who put the button there and why. unanswered as well.
siead comes back from the dead. How?

You could try and amagine the details . but then what would be the point of watching then.

If ye could tell me any of the answers. It would be great. maybe I have forgot . its been years since the first show

The button was put there by Dharma to release EM energy at regular intervals. The energy was released from a breach in the light cave. Like a dam that's bursting so they let water out at different intervals to relieve it.

FortuneChip

I've noticed quite a few people saying how they were hoping to see two people from 815 re-enacting the Jacob/MIB scene from the season 5 finale. I personally think that would have been really cheap and don't get why people wanted to see something along those lines at all!

Basq

I just don't understand people giving 1/10 when the episode was largely very coherent, action-packed and emotional. And it was a damn fine send-off!

Now, if you were unhappy with the closing scene / resolution.. sure, you'd dock it a couple of points but 1/10. Really?!

Anyways.. I'm not gonna bitch about unfair voting but I just wondered how this episode warranted a 1/10. I mean the amount of people who say "complete tripe" and "utter poo" then simply reference the ending. Was that your only problem with the episode, or was the 1/10 rating your experience of the show as a whole?

It just baffles me!

TheDoc

Cant say I was overwhelmed or didn't see it coming. My misses made the call early on that the flash sideways stuff was some sort of limbo/purgatory.

She also made the call a few seasons ago that this would end with some shocker that they were dead. She was pretty spot on. Freaky.

Enjoyable series anyway, it got messy at parts in some series but made up for it in others. I thought the final episode was not a surprise at all.

Me and the misses, big fans, always played little joke wagers on what would happen. We were both pretty confident hurley would be the new jacob and jack wouldn't make it past his fight with loche.

It was annoying in the sense this flash sideways thing only appeared this series and it looked a real rush job, and after the first one you could pretty much assume what was going to happen in every other one.

There was a big lump in the throat moment for me when he genuinely realised he was dead, but other then that I havnt got great feelings about it.

Was a good show, and a decent ending, but not one that I think I'll re-watch or talk about much.

Now thats over, its time to get down to the final episode that really matters, with the only Jack that matters.

24...

Melion

Absolutely brilliant until the last 10 minutes!!!!!!!!!!
Then they went for the biggest cop-out in TV history.

gsxr1

the fog is slowly lifting lol

BTW i voted 7.

for some reason i was expecting the Ewoks and Chewbacca to come running out of the hole.... hahah.

Bulktohulk

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Having had a few hours to sleep on it - or more appropriately lie in bed as my body clock tried to comprehend what time it was, and failing - I still stand by initial gushing reactions. It's remarkable how moving a finale it was - they may have been sentimental, but the moments with Jack/Kate on the cliff and Juliet / Sawyer & Claire / Charlie in the flash-purgatory (anyone?) were some of the best character moments I've ever seen on television. Six seasons and they created some fascinating, deeply flawed people. There were plenty of times you hated them, but seeing most of them gathered together at the end, finally being granted their happy ending made for some wonderful moments.

I still think Lost was all about the mystery and these people, the answers usually disappointing or more mysterious again.

There were weak moments in all seasons, and this one in particular shuddered along on occasion. But if the writers were just aiming for this - an intriguing, character-based and thematic conclusion to their show - they totally succeeded. Bits like Nikki and Paolo remind me how silly Lost was sometimes, but this episode was some seriously moving and effective entertainment. I'm an atheist, but the spiritual conclusion really fitted in thematically and hence I really bought into it. It just made sense within the context of the world they've created, those multiple religious symbols behind Christian on the window not accepting one particular belief system but embracing them all.

If there was one issue I had when reflecting, it was how the hell is Desmond getting home?

Then I just realise, that like all those other small, unanswered questions:

A wizard did it.

Jacob could leave the island seemingly at will, no reason Hurley couldn't get Des off.

Marcaiocht_Tonn

People keep posting that the characters found out they were dead all along. You need to understand that this is incorrect. I think you'll enjoy the episode a lot more if you re-watch it and take this into account. I bet this is where some of the 1/10's are coming from.

They're dead in the FST, yes, but that's taking place well after the main story arc of Lost.

The island story arc ends with Jack dead from his encounter with MIB, having plugged the hole. Rose, Bernard, Vincent, Ben and Hurley staying on the island, with Hurley as the new Jacob and Ben as the new Richard. Lapidus, Ford, Kate, Myles and now-aging Richard escaping on a plane. Desmond presumably escaping at a later stage on his boat. This all actually happened within the context of Lost.

Regarding Des leaving the island, his boat was still there. Being a competent sailor he'd have no problem (given the right bearing).

opr

Easter egg taken from another forum. I love these and if people have more please post.

One of the candy bars in the vending machine was called "Avalon"

http://i.imgur.com/AH6j7.png

Avalon was, according to Columbia Encyclopedia, "in Celtic mythology, the blissful otherworld of the dead. In medieval romance it was the island to which the mortally wounded King Arthur was taken, and from which it was expected he would someday return."

Opr