The Dark Knight Rises - Pre-release Discussion [** NO SPOILERS PLEASE **]

Klingon Hamlet

Klingon Hamlet wrote: »

True but Iron Man 2 accomplished it.

But with a little more time you get the feeling that Iron Man 2 could have been a truly fantastic film had they put a little more time and effort into it rather than rushed it into production in order to secure increased profits. Michael Bay has repeatedly spoken out about the insane turn around time for sequels these days, he has said that the 2011 release date for Transformers 3 will directly affect the quality of the film.

Glico Man

krudler wrote: »

Those two Transformers movies made over 1.6 billion dollars worldwide between them, they're a box office giant.

Theres only one villain I want for the next movie and thats The Penguin, but not the deformed Tim Burton inspired version, the proper, short fat crime boss , and theres only one person who should play him, Paul Giamatti:


Put on a pile of weight, give him a monacle, away he goes.

I think Phil Seymour Hoffman suits the Penguin role perfectly

And to whoever suggested The Ventriloquist...great shout. He is a very interesting character and one that suits Nolan's Batman universe to a tee.

I'd also like for Zsasz to be included as he too is a character that suits the type of villain Nolan uses

A Neurotic

I remember reading that Christopher Nolan (or was it Bale?) is very much against introducing Robin. Categorically ruled it out.

Handsome Bob

A Neurotic wrote: »

I remember reading that Christopher Nolan (or was it Bale?) is very much against introducing Robin. Categorically ruled it out.

Probably both, I recall Bale saying he'll be chaining himself to a radiator refusing to go to work if Robin is introduced. I think in the world that Nolan has created bringing a kid along for the ride would be insane. Batman can barely look after himself never mind a kid.

LZ5by5

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Probably both, I recall Bale saying he'll be chaining himself to a radiator refusing to go to work if Robin is introduced. I think in the world that Nolan has created bringing a kid along for the ride would be insane. Batman can barely look after himself never mind a kid.

It really depends how they introduced Robin, were it simply a case of a 16 year old boy in tights stalking the streets of Gotham and fighting crime then it would be a travesty.

However were they to do somehting along the lines Kick Ass of Defendor. introduce him as a kid out to avenge his parents death and have him repeatedly get his ass kicked only for Batman to intervene and train him to take care of himself. They don't need Robin in the film fighting alongside Batman but to have him back in the bbatcave helping co-ordinate events with Alfred could be interesting.

JP Liz V1

Ryan Gosling, Liev Schreiber or Edward Norton would be my top choices for the role of The Riddler

FlashD

I'm really looking forward to a new Batman but I think it's time to mix things up a little, starting with the director.

Nolan is one of my favourite directors but after his massive success with 'The Dark Knight' everything he does with the Batman franchise from now on is only going to be a disappointment. He's reached his peak so to speak.

Every director has their own style, Nolan has had two bites at the cherry, do we really want to see the same thing for a third time just with different characters.

In my opinion it's time to give Darren Aronofsky his chance. He will freshen things with completely different angle on things, possibly darker and more violent. Go all out and push for the 18cert though that's wishful thinking.

Klingon Hamlet

Nolan knocked out Begins in 05. Then a year later The Prestige, IMHO an excellent film. 08 out comes Dark Knight, so that was a 2 year turn-around and look how good it was. 2 years later, Inception, what looks like an awesome epic film. And 2 years after that, Batman 3. Where's the problem with 2 year turnaround? Bay complains because he needs more time for explosions, and also to accumulate 11 different writers to give him a hodge-podge script, and use CGI to band-aid a plothole-ridden money-spinning franchise. Nolan is a storyteller, a genuine artist, and knows his capabilites. I'm happy with the 2 year turnaround, and I'm glad it's the final part of a trilogy.

Handsome Bob

Deleted User wrote: »

It really depends how they introduced Robin, were it simply a case of a 16 year old boy in tights stalking the streets of Gotham and fighting crime then it would be a travesty.

However were they to do somehting along the lines Kick Ass of Defendor. introduce him as a kid out to avenge his parents death and have him repeatedly get his ass kicked only for Batman to intervene and train him to take care of himself. They don't need Robin in the film fighting alongside Batman but to have him back in the bbatcave helping co-ordinate events with Alfred could be interesting.

That would be the only scenario I'd be content with. Or if he simply took an orphan in known as Dick Grayson but he doesn't become Robin. It would still serve to further the character of Bruce, maybe lift some of the gloom in his life without actually putting the kid's life in danger.

Klingon Hamlet

Klingon Hamlet wrote: »

Nolan knocked out Begins in 05. Then a year later The Prestige, IMHO an excellent film. 08 out comes Dark Knight, so that was a 2 year turn-around and look how good it was. 2 years later, Inception, what looks like an awesome epic film. And 2 years after that, Batman 3. Where's the problem with 2 year turnaround? Bay complains because he needs more time for explosions, and also to accumulate 11 different writers to give him a hodge-podge script, and use CGI to band-aid a plothole-ridden money-spinning franchise. Nolan is a storyteller, a genuine artist, and knows his capabilites. I'm happy with the 2 year turnaround, and I'm glad it's the final part of a trilogy.

It wasn't a two year turn around, the scripting process began a few weeks after Begins openend and they were heavy into pre-production during the post production of the Prestige. Batman 3 has been in pre-production since Dark Knight opened. It's not a case of them announcing the release date and then heading into production. BY the time the film opens it will have been in various stages of production for 4 years.

On the other hand Iron Man 2 and Transformers 3 only had a 2 year turnaround which is half of what the Batman sequel will have.

indough

FlashD wrote: »

Nolan has had two bites at the cherry, do we really want to see the same thing for a third time just with different characters.

yes

Liber8or

I think whomever Nolan picks to play the villain in Batman 3, be it the Riddler/Penguin will come as a surprise to everyone, but it will prove to be a success.

I know I was very shocked to hear Heath Ledger as the Joker and reckoned Nolan messed up big time; who would have thought Casanova or a gay Cowboy could play the Joker?! But he did, and brilliantly. I fully expect Nolan to do the same with his succeeding villain.

For example, I know people will probably freak, but I think someone like Leonardo DiCaprio playing the Riddler could work, especially since Nolan and DiCaprio worked together on Inception.

Anywho, I expect a casting surprise but this time I won't be as skeptical as before when Ledger was announced. Very excited about Summer 2012...

TheTosh

David Tennant could play the riddler and as for the ventriloquist I suggest Paul Giamanti. Brendan Gleeson for the Penguin?

Calender man FTW!!!

gosplan

bonerm wrote: »

Don't let him anywhere near this movie. Most over-rated actor ever. :mad:

Luckily, the current batman series has managed to avoid the stupid suggestions matching box-office star X to batman villian Y.

krudler

I like how Nolan casts actors instead of megastars to play people in the Batman universe, its funny now how people are complaining nobody will live up to Ledger's portayal of the Joker, you wouldnt know it from this thread

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054969721&highlight=heath+ledger+joker

As a choice for the Riddler, I'd nominate Jim Parsons aka Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory:



Or as another not-too-obvious choice, Emile Hirsch, great young actor.

sprinkles

Deleted User wrote: »

Michael Bay has repeatedly spoken out about the insane turn around time for sequels these days, he has said that the 2011 release date for Transformers 3 will directly affect the quality of the film.

Having Michael Bay direct it is directly affecting the quality of the film!

I agree with the notion of bringing in Dick as a character to further Bruce's character development along, the love angle might wear a bit thin this time around. Robin is an interesting character but it would take too long to introduce him as an orphan and have him make that transformation. Perhaps over the course of 2 films.....

Personally I'd like to see the penguin introduced - if he hasn't already been! Linkity link

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I think it's a must to have the actual story develop now in the 3rd movie rather than just create a situational bad guy scenario.

Batman is now on the run from the police because he has to be. Maybe having him come out at the end of the third film more balanced (fans and haters).

They've not begun cutting down on recurring characters, which is what I think makes this series work so well. This is honestly more about everyone else than just christian bale and batman. Fox, Al, etc.

Also batman feels very young and inexperienced at the moment. Not a win-all hero that can beat any situation. He's still learning, evolving. I don't think a Robin character would help that in any way though. As mentioned before, he can barely take care of himself. He's also just lost someone close to him (which is kinda what the robin character would be bringing to the table anyway), so let him deal with this for a bit. We now have more raw wounds and it could go any way.

Please let that continue, and don't just make it a supervillain gallery for the sake of it.

I could easily even go a film without having a big name character, but I don't think others would be happy with that.

sprinkles

I agree fully with that! Which is why I think Batman's next nemesis will be someone we've already met - I honestly think the Maroni/Penguin link is a good one and maybe add in the riddler as a mystery villain (no pun intended), pulling the strings behind the penguin, and would then be set up as the main villain in number 4.

Anakin.S

What about Bane? I'm not talking the movie Bane from 'Batman & Robin' but the comic book Bane 'The Man who Broke the Bat'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bane_(comics)

I really like the Idea of the secret identity being found out by the bad guy

Mr Alan

From the sounds of this interview from recently enough with Nolan, this thrid one will be the last.

“We have a great ensemble, that’s one of the attractions of doing another film, since we’ve been having a great time for years,” he told the LA Times.

“Without getting into specifics, the key thing that makes the third film a great possibility for us is that we want to finish our story,” the film-maker added. “And in viewing it as the finishing of a story rather than infinitely blowing up the balloon and expanding the story.”

“I’m very excited about the end of the film, the conclusion, and what we’ve done with the characters,” Nolan said. “My brother has come up with some pretty exciting stuff. Unlike the comics, these things don’t go on forever in film and viewing it as a story with an end is useful. Viewing it as an ending, that sets you very much on the right track about the appropriate conclusion and the essence of what tale we’re telling. And it harkens back to that priority of trying to find the reality in these fantastic stories. That’s what we do.”

Handsome Bob

Mr Alan wrote: »

From the sounds of this interview from recently enough with Nolan, this thrid one will be the last.

I'm not surprised really and I'm just happy he's doing a third. There were genuine concerns that he wouldn't come back for a third.

I think it's best he goes before WB start leaning on him to make the franchise more accessible to other aspects of the DC universe.

uncleoswald

Its a shame they wrapped up the Two-Face story so quickly in TDK. Not only did it make that film too long it also means they have missed an opportunity for the next film. TDK could have been his origins story and then the scene would have been set for the third film. I think this film will suffer from too little continuity from the previous films as a result of this and Ledger. That said Joseph Gordon Levitt is a smart choice, if he can pull off menacing.

seraphimvc

Mr Alan wrote: »

From the sounds of this interview from recently enough with Nolan, this thrid one will be the last.

the last one?!now i am more excited than ever!!:D nolan is so gonna make this great!!also this means we can really expect riddler/penguin/catwoman etc high popularity villians then...?

i also think that twoface's character was abit underwhelm in the last part of TDK,i remember once joker is caught i was bored good thing his story is ended

podgemonster

The fact that Bruce is now without a love interest will probably lead to the envitable introduction of another female supporting actor: Enter Catwoman

I would like to see Batman ruthless persued through Gotham under orders from the new mayor, Penguim (Hoffman or Brian Cox id like to see)

For the Riddler i think it would be really original for the villian to remain a mystery until the final scene like in Se7en or something like that, Nolan could really pull it off!

Also the accountant that discovered the identity of Batman in TDK was call 'Mr. Reese' (get it?).

If Robin were to feature i would hope that he his brutally murdered by the main villian thats enrages Batman to break his one rule.

Two-Face is dead: End off. Ledger immortalised the joker in this trilogy to replace him wouldnt sit well imo. An eerie dark shot of him sitting in his cell playing cards, chuckling to himself would be a nice tribute. Also i think for Cillian Murphy to appear for a third appeareance would always be a pleasure to watch. He could have easily played the Riddler.

fluke

podgemonster wrote: »

For the Riddler i think it would be really original for the villian to remain a mystery until the final scene

This is actually a pretty interesting approach I must say! Kudos!

Edit: While I do think this would be intriguing I wonder if the film as result would garner repeat viewings.

Mitch Connor

Given that Batman will be on the run from the popo in the next installment, we can forget (thankfully) about Robin, no chance he would be brought in to the current story, he just wouldn't fit with the storyline or batman character.

Not sure who the baddy should be this time around, but I would go against the Riddler - Riddler vs Batman is about Batman the detective, I don't think he could be at his detective best with the police on his back as well. I remember hearing of a Batman character who was a villain, while also being a higher up in the police force. I think that could play well, with the police going after Batman at the behest of a commanding officer who is actually the bad guy. Could also play well between commisioner gordon and this guy too, with Gordon trying to derail attempts to catch batman while not giving himself away.

Read the link regarding Mr. Reese above. It states his hatred grows from trying to blackmail Wayne/Batman, but ignores Wayne saving him from being milled out of it in the police escort (and Reese acknowledging it).

Necronomicon

At the risk of causing flashbacks to that abortion of a Batman film, does anyone think Bane could return? I think Nolan could make him work, very well.

krudler

Who'd play Bane though? you'd need someone huge, most actors arent that built, nobodys saying his has to be ludicrous sized but if its any way keeping with the comics find someone who looks like this:



Isnt going to be easy, unless you go down the route of using a wrestler or bodybuilder who doesnt have to act much just stomp around and say very little.

fluke

krudler wrote: »

Who'd play Bane though? you'd need someone huge, most actors arent that built, nobodys saying his has to be ludicrous sized but if its any way keeping with the comics find someone who looks like this:

To be honest if Bane was even considered I'd imagine that Nolan will interpret him true to Nolan verse Batman, with his own particular physique and (possible) back story!

Handsome Bob

I think you'd have to hold back considerably on Bane's strength too, I mean can't see him breaking Batman's back for various reasons, screen time being one. Plus as Krudler said, size is another reason. I wouldn't really be interested in seeing Bane if he was just a goon who could put a beat down on Bats.

Finally I think the point of Bane and Knightfall was that beforehand, Batman was a fighting machine who could handle anyone and that's what made the story so good. Whereas in Nolan's films, Batman can barely win fights against average goons, so there's no real need for Bane.