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M11/N30 - Gorey to Enniscorthy [open to traffic]

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  • Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭Petyr Baelish


    I love seeing all the moaners coming out after the road has opened to express their opinions. Wouldn't it have been better to take part in the public consultations during route selection stage if you felt you had anything to offer? Even if your ideas weren't taken on board you would get a better understanding of why the final design came about.

    The public consultations for the next phase will be taking place in due course. Hopefully some of the armchair experts here will attend and contribute to them instead of shouting from the sidelines after the event.


  • Registered Users Posts: 351 ✭✭Big Wex fan


    Haven't got a chance to use new route yet due to work. Curious about whats the impact to Camolin, Ferns & Enniscorthy?
    Hardly ever in Enniscorthy so never seen it jammed with traffic but the petrol stations in Camolin & Ferns were nearly always busy. Also has anyone noticed an impact to the R741? Busy little road at the best of times!


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,381 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Another unholy queue this afternoon. Mad to have lights for that side road in Oylgate, barely a car on it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,250 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    kneemos wrote: »
    Another unholy queue this afternoon. Mad to have lights for that side road in Oylgate, barely a car on it.

    Sounds like the sequencing is all wrong like so many Irish lights. A roundabout would have been much better if the side road traffic is very light as it would keep the main line moving.
    This was clearly a council sop to locals that isn’t working


  • Registered Users Posts: 246 ✭✭peadar76


    road_high wrote: »
    kneemos wrote: »
    Another unholy queue this afternoon. Mad to have lights for that side road in Oylgate, barely a car on it.

    Sounds like the sequencing is all wrong like so many Irish lights. A roundabout would have been much better if the side road traffic is very light as it would keep the main line moving.
    This was clearly a council sop to locals that isn’t working

    There are a lot of houses on that side road. It was difficult enough to get out at times before the motorway opened, so would be impossible now. Lights definitely needed, just a matter of getting the sequencing right


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  • Registered Users Posts: 246 ✭✭peadar76


    CoBo55 wrote: »
    Took a short spin on it earlier. One concern I'd have is with the ballydawmore to blackwater road, someone after driving dual carriageway all the way from Dublin might not realise it's a two way traffic road, they should have two way traffic signs and arrows on it to remind people that it's two way.
    Yeah definitely agree. And the fact that you can see the traffic on the other side of the fence/barrier (even though its going in same direction)could add to the perception that you are still on motorway


  • Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭IsaBrown


    peadar76 wrote: »
    Yeah definitely agree. And the fact that you can see the traffic on the other side of the fence/barrier (even though its going in same direction)could add to the perception that you are still on motorway

    Agree also. Driven it a few times now, cautiously, as its not clear it two way. Needs directional road markings at least ASAP.


  • Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭Jayuu


    Drove down to Wexford today (12-2). The new section of the road is great with some nice views of the Blackstairs to the west and the surface seems nice and smooth. Such a relief to never have to deal with the hassle of Enniscorthy again!

    But yeah the Oilgate tailback was a major downer after coming off the motorway. The signage says it's 3km from just after the roundabout to Oilgate but it's not that distance really, probably more 1.5km if you ask me. However the tailaback during the middle of a Saturday afternoon was almost to the roundabout and took about 10-15 minutes to get through. My brother-in-law encountered similar an hour or two later. When I coming back on Saturday evening there wasn't any tailback at that point but one wonders how this is going to work on an ongoing basis.

    I know originally there was supposed to be an Oilgate to Rosslare section to complete the motorway which might explain why the road ends as it does. However this seems to have been on the back boiler for years now so one wonders why they didn't consider extending the Enniscorthy by-pass to include Oilgate and save everybody a lot of hassle including the residents of the village itself.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,297 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Jayuu wrote: »
    I know originally there was supposed to be an Oilgate to Rosslare section to complete the motorway which might explain why the road ends as it does. However this seems to have been on the back boiler for years now so one wonders why they didn't consider extending the Enniscorthy by-pass to include Oilgate and save everybody a lot of hassle including the residents of the village itself.

    Oilgate-Rosslare started planning in 2019, there were brief plans for a M11 Oilgate bypass in the run up to the 2016 election but these were quietly dropped after.

    The extension past Oilgate won't start until 2024 at the absolute earliest.


  • Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭Jayuu


    marno21 wrote: »
    Oilgate-Rosslare started planning in 2019, there were brief plans for a M11 Oilgate bypass in the run up to the 2016 election but these were quietly dropped after.

    The extension past Oilgate won't start until 2024 at the absolute earliest.


    Cheers for the update. I didn't know Oilgate-Rosslare was back on the agenda at all.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭Marhay70


    Haven't been down the new road yet but I do remember a discussion on Boards when the plan first came out, to the effect that not bypassing Oylegate was pure folly. Anyone with half a brain could see that at the time but it takes €400million spent to demonstrate to our politicians. How much more now on short term measures to alleviate traffic and how many more frustrating years on the Dublin/ Rosslare route?
    Of course a roundabout would be a better solution than traffic lights, traffic lights are a blunt instrument whereas roundabouts will always favour the busiest section.


  • Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭VR6


    loyatemu wrote: »
    I thought Ferns was being done as part of the enniscorthy bypass - maybe I'm wrong.

    Agree with what you say, but surely the fault lies with the NRA for sanctioning a plan to end the enniscorthy bypass short of Oylegate, even if there was a plan to continue on to Rosslare.
    Beggars belief.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,823 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Was on the road at the weekend. First thing can they correct the spelling of oylegate on the signs.

    Over a 2k tail back into Oylegate from the dublin side at 4pm on sat, if this is not corrected the motorway is pointless.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭Marhay70


    VR6 wrote: »
    Agree with what you say, but surely the fault lies with the NRA for sanctioning a plan to end the enniscorthy bypass short of Oylegate, even if there was a plan to continue on to Rosslare.
    Beggars belief.

    To my mind the NRA is the motorists' HSE but the politicians signed off on it. Most the clowns who were in the photo at the ribbon cutting were also in the picture at the time it was signed off on, Howlin the Socialist for instance was Minister for Public Expenditure and would have travelled through Oylegate on a regular basis so it can't have escaped his notice that it was a pinch point. I often wonder are these things really discussed in detail or does somebody draw a plan on the back of a fag packet connecting up as much of party supporters land as possible for the route.


  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭sheff_


    Marhay70 wrote: »
    To my mind the NRA is the motorists' HSE but the politicians signed off on it. Most the clowns who were in the photo at the ribbon cutting were also in the picture at the time it was signed off on, Howlin the Socialist for instance was Minister for Public Expenditure and would have travelled through Oylegate on a regular basis so it can't have escaped his notice that it was a pinch point. I often wonder are these things really discussed in detail or does somebody draw a plan on the back of a fag packet connecting up as much of party supporters land as possible for the route.

    Perhaps the plan was to create this pinch point and create public outcry to make it easier to get funding for the next stage of the motorway? Go beyond oylegate with the enniscorthy bypass and there’s more of a job done feel to the road


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    IS the traffic light at the Slaney Inn junction?


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,480 ✭✭✭✭josip


    If there weren't traffic problems in Oylegate before the Enniscorthy bypass, then the bypass by itself is not responsible for them now.

    At least 1, possibly 2 things have changed with the opening of the bypass which are causing them.
    The traffic lights are definitely new and don't seem to be helping.
    Also, traffic volumes may have increased as some drivers going through Ballycanew/Castlebridge have returned to the M/N11


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭fricatus


    I think someone answered this earlier but I can’t find it... anyone know when the N30 western bypass of Enniscorthy is due to open?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,158 ✭✭✭SCOOP 64


    fricatus wrote: »
    I think someone answered this earlier but I can’t find it... anyone know when the N30 western bypass of Enniscorthy is due to open?
    ive heard its the end of the month but someone on here might have a actual date.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,668 ✭✭✭jd


    The big problem seems to be the traffic lights. I don't think the traffic has increased that much, it's just too much of a priority has been given to side roads in the sequencing.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,381 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    jd wrote: »
    The big problem seems to be the traffic lights. I don't think the traffic has increased that much, it's just too much of a priority has been given to side roads in the sequencing.

    I've been on that side road several times a week for years,hardly ever see a car either waiting to pull out or into it.
    Very occasionally you'll get three or four cars waiting to pull out,but they quickly got going.

    There's a small primary or infants school just round the corner from the junction,that might generate a bit if traffic for twenty minutes during opening and closing,otherwise it's not in any way a busy road.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,397 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    IsaBrown wrote: »
    Agree also. Driven it a few times now, cautiously, as its not clear it two way. Needs directional road markings at least ASAP.

    I think good signage and make the white line a rumble strip would make all the difference.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,397 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    SCOOP 64 wrote: »
    ive heard its the end of the month but someone on here might have a actual date.

    I had a gander at the two roundabouts last night they're very near completion, lights are working, surfacing and line painting is done, a few signs and a bit of housekeeping to be done and that's it, I'd say it'll be open for next weekend, if not, definitely the bank holiday weekend.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,397 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    I love seeing all the moaners coming out after the road has opened to express their opinions. Wouldn't it have been better to take part in the public consultations during route selection stage if you felt you had anything to offer? Even if your ideas weren't taken on board you would get a better understanding of why the final design came about.

    The public consultations for the next phase will be taking place in due course. Hopefully some of the armchair experts here will attend and contribute to them instead of shouting from the sidelines after the event.

    I was at some of the route selection meetings, myself along with many others stated concerns about signage and the ridiculous termination point. Signage, we were told, quite correctly, can be tweaked. The decided route was final and not up for discussion, I didn't see the point in attending any more meetings after that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭Petyr Baelish


    CoBo55 wrote: »
    I was at some of the route selection meetings, myself along with many others stated concerns about signage and the ridiculous termination point. Signage, we were told, quite correctly, can be tweaked. The decided route was final and not up for discussion, I didn't see the point in attending any more meetings after that.

    It's good that you made the effort. It's those who didn't that I take issue with. It's like not voting and then complaining about the government,.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,297 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    The termination at Oilgate looks foolish in isolation, but 10 years ago there was 2 separate schemes in planning, both roughly equal in length. One between Clogh and Oilgate (M11 Gorey-Enniscorthy) and one of lower standard between Oilgate and Rosslare. It was planned that the latter would follow soon after the other.

    The reality has turned out differently, which is unfortunate, but many transport projects back in the late FF years were interconnected with others and when one gets canned the other raises questions in isolation.

    It’s quite unfortunate now that Oilgate won’t get sorted for at least 8-10 years, and I must emphasize “at least” here.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,880 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    I’m looking at google traffic here and there is a huge northbound tailback at oilgate.

    This may be due to coastal traffic diverting to the M11.


  • Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭Petyr Baelish


    spacetweek wrote: »
    I’m looking at google traffic here and there is a huge northbound tailback at oilgate.

    This may be due to coastal traffic diverting to the M11.

    It's because of the traffic lights they installed and if they don't sort it out so it freeflows like before then people will go back to using the Ballycanew route very quickly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭Jayuu


    It's good that you made the effort. It's those who didn't that I take issue with. It's like not voting and then complaining about the government,.


    Because I live nowhere near Oilgate/Oylegate I don't see any reason why I would participate in a public consultation process on the route. I expect I would only use the road between 4 and 5 times a year (as I have family in Wexford). I'm simply documenting my experience with it yesterday. Sorry if that upsets you but it's my honest opinion.


    I wasn't aware that the traffic lights were new but personally I think there's no need for them or they should be definitely sequenced to give maximum time to the mainline traffic. While there probably is an increase in traffic back on the N11 (as some traffic used to come off at Gorey for the back road to Wexford to avoid Enniscorthy) but I doubt it's enough to actually have a major impact on the village.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Coming back Southbound,I had to exit at Clogh and head to Ferns, it's like a crawl with the new 80kph limit on that road now,I turned off in Ferns onto an L road and that too was 80kph despite being narrow and windy. Absolutely stupid reducing limits on roads that last week were perfect with a 100kph limit.


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