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Again, (again, again, again, again) it begins... [SU elections]

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    #62
    devinejay
    Registered Users Posts: 639 ✭✭✭devinejay


    I just kinda like giving out about the SU. Is that so wrong?


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    #63
    electrogrimey
    Registered Users Posts: 3,791 ✭✭✭electrogrimey


    vinylmesh wrote: »
    I'm free to criticise all i want. It's not like I'm looking for a ban on hacks. I recognise their right to be hacks, but i also believe i have the right to say whatever i want about them. This is all very OT tbh.

    You can criticise all you want, I'm just sick of everyone on this board constantly coming out with same non-argument that everyone involved in college politics is a hack.


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    #64
    gaeilgeboy
    Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭gaeilgeboy


    electrogrimey wrote: »
    You can criticise all you want, I'm just sick of everyone on this board constantly coming out with same non-argument that everyone involved in college politics is a hack.

    Agreed!


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    #65
    Denerick
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Denerick


    The hacks would be annoyed about that, I'd imagine.


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    #66
    Fedule
    Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Fedule


    Premise: The SU is full of hacks.
    Premise: People in or running for the SU are aggrivated by being called "hacks"
    Therefore: The SU is full of hacks.

    *winner*


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    #67
    Denerick
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Denerick


    Come on... you need only look at some of the cringe inducing campaign posters of the past. It is all ego driven elitism, full of people drunk on self approval, and fed by people delusional about the true nature of political engagement.


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    #68
    jennedy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14 ✭jennedy


    Dats a bit harsh isnt it?! Like I know theres some total twatz but wat about welfare? Like theyr like mini counselers, my friend had was havin a really bad time of it last year and the girl doin it then really ehlped her out


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    #69
    Boston
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    Girl? I know he calls himselve the condom fairy, but to confuse his gender is abit offensive, nei?

    I'll have more to say later, but wrt to welfare, you'd have to be a ****ing retard to a welfare officer for advice. There are professional councillors in trinity who are infinitely more qualified to give you advice. You might as well walk down grafton street as go to the welfare officer.


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    #70
    SligoBrewer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭SligoBrewer


    Like it or not, there's a stigma attached to going to a counselor. I wouldn't think the same stigma exists with the SU Welfare Officer.


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    #71
    Denerick
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Denerick


    SligoBrewer wrote: »
    Like it or not, there's a stigma attached to going to a counselor. I wouldn't think the same stigma exists with the SU Welfare Officer.

    Stigma or not, going to talk to some randomer you know nothing about with absolutely no pyschological credentials at all is something of an absurdity... Honestly, it might be good to talk to someone you don't know and who isn't a professional, but an SU politician? Jesus.


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    #72
    SligoBrewer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭SligoBrewer


    Denerick wrote: »
    Stigma or not, going to talk to some randomer you know nothing about with absolutely no pyschological credentials at all is something of an absurdity... Honestly, it might be good to talk to someone you don't know and who isn't a professional, but an SU politician? Jesus.

    Samaritans are fairly successful at what they do aren't they?


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    #73
    ilovemybrick
    Registered Users Posts: 676 ✭✭✭ilovemybrick


    Boston wrote: »
    Girl? I know he calls himselve the condom fairy, but to confuse his gender is abit offensive, nei?

    Last year. I presume the poster refers to last academic year.

    On the welfare officer front, the role is primarily to refer those who ask for help to the appropriate service, be it academic/counselling/medical etc.

    Being involved in one of the peer support groups usually lends itself well to the role. The poster who made the point on stigma is probably correct. Also don't forget not all people have been around college long enough to know that the support is there. Sometimes having a fellow student as a contact point can help these people get the help that they want or need.


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    #74
    Awayindahils
    Registered Users Posts: 2,024 ✭✭✭Awayindahils


    Denerick wrote: »
    Come on... you need only look at some of the cringe inducing campaign posters of the past. It is all ego driven elitism, full of people drunk on self approval, and fed by people delusional about the true nature of political engagement.

    I thought my poster was Hawt.
    Boston wrote: »
    Girl? I know he calls himselve the condom fairy, but to confuse his gender is abit offensive, nei?


    Foley was a girl Joe.

    As for the SU vs the Councilling service for help, both aregood, both are heavily over subsribed. Stigma or no stigma people use the services.

    I always thought it would have been good to be able to go to the Welfare Officer or the S2S councillors...someone your own age to talk to and so forth. Much more of a service for non-hacks even as there would be less of a chance of knowing the people personally.


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    #75
    jennedy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14 ✭jennedy


    Yeah I was talkin bout Orla. She was pretty sound to him like, it wasnt a big deal for him to just go have a chat with someone but like a counciller meant he was nuts or something. Plus she still knew wat its like being a student and i heard theres a massive waiting list for the councillers.


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    #76
    Boston
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    I recall one welfare officer regaling fellow hacks with stories of student woes. That sealed the deal for me.


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    #77
    misslily
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭misslily


    Boston wrote: »
    I recall one welfare officer regaling fellow hacks with stories of student woes. That sealed the deal for me.

    that I hate to hear but you cannot paint all welfare officer then with the one brush much like you cant paint all su officers with the one title (hacks).

    My friend relied on Orla a lot last year due to stuff going on for her. its like posters already said its the comfort of having someone our own age because my friend really had an issue with talking to a counsellor. she eventually did seek help from the counselling service after going through it over and over with orla.


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    #78
    Boston
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    It goes to the fact these people are non-professionals with no accreditation.


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    #79
    Boston
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    Anyway, manifestos would be appreciated.


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    #80
    A Neurotic
    Registered Users Posts: 3,779 ✭✭✭A Neurotic


    Boston wrote: »
    It goes to the fact these people are non-professionals with no accreditation.

    And they're not claiming to provide professional help.

    An open ear and a cup of tea can work their own wonders!


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    #81
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    I too have heard a welfare officer discuss a students problem with the crew outside house 6. I had no time for the union after that.

    Although I've left tcd and moved onto pastures new one thing which always annoyed me about the candidates was the blandness, and never delivering on election promises. I remember one year a candidate coming up to me and handing me their manifesto, explaining that one of their goals was to refurbish the Hamilton Library. While a good promise, it wasn't something he had the authority to promise and after a brief flick through the manifesto, it was more of the same... all undeliverable promises.

    In the university I attend now, the SU runs a fleet of 11 minibuses for student clubs and socs to hire (if you have a B licence you can drive a minibus not for profit). The union officers do not take a wage either afaik. There are great ideas out there, the candidates need to look to other universities both in Ireland and abroad to see how things can and should be done.


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    #82
    Boston
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    A Neurotic wrote: »
    And they're not claiming to provide professional help.

    The assertion is that the welfare officer is on a par with the professional counselling services.
    A Neurotic wrote: »
    An open ear and a cup of tea can work their own wonders!

    A thoughtless comment can also destroyed a fragile person.


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    #83
    A Neurotic
    Registered Users Posts: 3,779 ✭✭✭A Neurotic


    Boston wrote: »
    The assertion is that the welfare officer is on a par with the professional counselling services.

    I never knew that. How ridiculous.


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    #84
    LiberalUtopia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 30 ✭LiberalUtopia


    Are the candidates going to dress up as giant sperms (paid for by a multinational condom company) and run around front square again this year? Now that's what a top-50 university really needs.


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    #85
    Boston
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    A Neurotic wrote: »
    I never knew that. How ridiculous.

    I agree. Some welfare officers in the day have had really high opinions of themselves.


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    #86
    Denerick
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Denerick


    Are the candidates going to interrupt the start of lectures which I paid for this year, making dubious speeches and announcing whatever pathetic delusions of grandeur takes their fancy at that particular time?


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    #87
    Awayindahils
    Registered Users Posts: 2,024 ✭✭✭Awayindahils


    Boston wrote: »
    I agree. Some welfare officers in the day have had really high opinions of themselves.

    As do some people on the internets.


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    #88
    SligoBrewer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭SligoBrewer


    knockout-punch.jpg
    Awayindahils wrote: »
    As do some people on the internets.


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    #89
    Boston
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    I'd like to thank my massive swinging cock.


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    #90
    SligoBrewer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭SligoBrewer


    Boston wrote: »
    I'd like to thank my massive swinging cock.

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    #91
    Boston
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    On second thoughts you're just posting pictures from some bodies blog. Thats pretty fuked up mate.


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