The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread

Kylo Ren

HigginsJ

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/02/three-years-of-drop-rate-wide-receivers/

me-skywalker

HigginsJ wrote: »

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/02/three-years-of-drop-rate-wide-receivers/

Great to see the numbers matching upto our perceptions of the best players.

GB with 2 in the top 10 dropped passes. I remember Driver dropping a few big ones against the Giants. Hopefully can cut them down with a proper pre-season schedule.

Paully D

67 yard field goal, no bother to him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHwmCtYQuVo

I was just messing around looking at other kickers after that to see if anyone could match up and came across a guy named Taylor Mehlhaff who also worked with Coach Zauner and was kicking 70 yard FG's (albeit with a bit of a wind) and just dropping short on 80 yard FG's. There's a few videos on YouTube of him making FG's of a similar distance but it seems he was highly rated, ranked as the best kicker in the 2008 draft by 7 or 8 teams surveyed, drafted in the 6th round by the Saints and released during final cuts. Anyway, I'm rambling now :pac: but does anyone remember if there was much hype about him at the time and why it didn't work out for him?

GoldFour4

Paully D wrote: »

67 yard field goal, no bother to him:



I was just messing around looking at other kickers after that to see if anyone could match up and came across a guy named Taylor Mehlhaff who also worked with Coach Zauner and was kicking 70 yard FG's (albeit with a bit of a wind) and just dropping short on 80 yard FG's. There's a few videos on YouTube of him making FG's of a similar distance but it seems he was highly rated, ranked as the best kicker in the 2008 draft by 7 or 8 teams surveyed, drafted in the 6th round by the Saints and released during final cuts. Anyway, I'm rambling now :pac: but does anyone remember if there was much hype about him at the time and why it didn't work out for him?

Massive difference between that and a game though. The ball is held perfectly by that machine and there's no rush with no defense.

JaMarcus Hustle

Did a quick mock up of who I thought would win each game this season. My standings ended up as:

Patriots 14-2
Bills 10-6
Jets 10-6
Dolphins 6-10

Ravens 12-4
Steelers 11-5
Bengals 6-10
Browns 1-15

Texans 14-2
Titans 7-9
Colts 4-12
Jaguars 1-15

Chiefs 11-5
Broncos 11-5
Chargers 7-9
Raiders 3-13

Packers 14-2
Bears 13-3
Lions 10-6
Vikings 2-14

49ers 13-3
Seahawks 7-9
Cardinals 5-11
Rams 2-14

Eagles 13-3
Giants 8-8
Cowboys 7-9
Redskins 5-11

Falcons 9-7
Panthers 9-7
Saints 8-8
Buccaneers 3-13

eagle eye

You have 6 teams with a 13-3 or better record and 6 teams with less than 4 wins. I think you need to revise that a bit.:D

Chucky the tree

Any interest in a few bets on some of those lines or similar lines?

matthew8

Wow, NFC South must have a rock hard schedule.

JaMarcus Hustle

eagle eye wrote: »

You have 6 teams with a 13-3 or better record and 6 teams with less than 4 wins. I think you need to revise that a bit.:D

I know, chances of that happening are slim to none. But there's not a result I put down that I wouldn't put down as the same outcome second time round. Freak results like St. Louis beating New Orleans just can't be predicted.

Any interest in a few bets on some of those lines or similar lines?

What ones have you in mind? I have very little interest in betting on the AFC West by the way.

Chucky the tree

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

What ones have you in mind? I have very little interest in betting on the AFC West by the way.

I'd take the Rams, Bucs or Jags to beat those lines anyway.

JaMarcus Hustle

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I'd take the Rams, Bucs or Jags to beat those lines anyway.

Well the over/under spreads for each team at the bookies is Jags 5, Rams 6, Bucs 6 - I'd be wanting some pretty spectacular odds, and despite what records a quick prediction shows, I'd never bet on a line of over/under 1 or 2 - it's just silly. Throw some custom lines my way.

Chucky the tree

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Well the over/under spreads for each team at the bookies is Jags 5, Rams 6, Bucs 6 - I'd be wanting some pretty spectacular odds, and despite what records a quick prediction shows, I'd never bet on a line of over/under 1 or 2 - it's just silly. Throw some custom lines my way.

I'd be better off just taking the bookies lines actually. I think Jags will be 3-5 and same with the bucs. I'd take unders with bookies on all 3.

I see the redskins are +9.5 on the spread for the first game against the saints, Good line?

JaMarcus Hustle

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I'd be better off just taking the bookies lines actually. I think Jags will be 3-5 and same with the bucs. I'd take unders with bookies on all 3.

I'm doing the exact same. Jaguars under 5 @ 10/11 could be bet of the season. I'd only give them a chance in 3 games this year (only one i had them winning was Colts at home).

@ Vikings
Texans
@ Colts
Bengals
Bears
@ Raiders
@ Packers
Lions
Colts
@ Texans
Titans
@ Bills
Jets
@ Dolphins
Patriots
@ Titans

eagle eye

Outside of the Patriots and Packers I'd give the Jags a 35-40% chance in the other games combined. That leaves them somewhere around the 5 game mark, we're talking 4.9 at 35% and 5.6 at 40%. The bookies have it about right I think. I wouldn't touch it.

I always like them in divisional games if they are getting over 7 points on the handicap.

JaMarcus Hustle

I don't think they have much of a chance against the Texans either home or away, or the Bears or Lions. I'd be shocked if they won any of those games.

eagle eye

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

I don't think they have much of a chance against the Texans either home or away, or the Bears or Lions. I'd be shocked if they won any of those games.

Well they are normally tough to beat in divisional games. And the other two are not extremely difficult games either. I said the combined games would work out with a 35-40% chance of winning. I wouldn't necessarily have them that high to win any of the games you mention just overall I think thats how it looks.

You just cannot go game by game and decide results. As we all know teams have bad games on the day and injuries come into play as well. Over the season though I see them very close to five wins and thats if Gabbert doesn't turn things around. There have been some murmurs that he is going to be a different proposition this season. If thats the case then with the WRs they have now anything is possible. You got Blackmon, Robinson and Evans there now along with Mike Thomas. Last year Gabbert was totally dependent on Thomas and Mercedes Lewis with Jason Hill getting some looks as well. Their offensive line will be better this year and they have the defense to give it a real go.

How well they do all rests on the shoulders of Gabbert/Henne but if Gabbert improves a lot then they could even be playoff contenders.

eagle eye

HOUSTON -- Minnesota Vikings star running back Adrian Peterson was arrested early Saturday on a charge of resisting arrest.
Peterson, who is from Palestine, Texas, was released from a Houston jail on a $1,000 bond later Saturday, according to information on the Houston Police Department website.
Team spokesman Bob Hagan said Saturday that the Vikings "are aware of the situation and are gathering more information."
No further details were available on the arrest. A Houston police spokesman didn't immediately return a call from The Associated Press.
Peterson is six months into rehabilitation for reconstructive surgery on his left knee, an injury that can take a year to return to full strength.
His steady progress and lack of setbacks since tearing the anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments last Dec. 24 had boosted expectations that he'll find a way to be on the field for the season opener Sept. 9, when the Vikings host the Jacksonville Jaguars.
But speaking last month to reporters during a minicamp in Minnesota, Peterson acknowledged the reality of his injury.
"I know my body overall, and I know I'm just not there yet," Peterson said. "It's not terrible, but I'm not to where I know I need to be."

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/8138600/minnesota-vikings-adrian-peterson-faces-resisting-arrest-charge

Oat23

Rod Marinelli and Lovie Smith have traveled to Houston to pick up tips on how to stop him :pac:.

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SK1979

Hey guys

Got a couple of quick questions that hopefully you's can help with.

Firstly, where (what site like) are you getting all the odds for the forthcoming season? I'm looking to do a bit of betting on the NFL this season but Betfair / Paddy's etc are rubbish for it. Where do you get the over / under spreads from? Is there a place where you can bet on number of wins / MVP etc for various teams / players?

Also, I see a lot of talk about Gamepass and so on but someone mentioned that there is no TV agreement in place at all? Does that mean Sky wont definitely have games on Sunday night? I have a Sky sub (for football already) so I wouldn't be getting a Gamepass one but I was hoping that they'll still have the two games on the Sunday night? Also, is the Redzone back on Sky?

Cheers

JaMarcus Hustle

Bet365 have odds for regular season wins, total team sacks, rookie MVPs etc. Not all markets are up yet, it's still early but oddschecker.com is good for seeing what markets are up on which bookies.

As for Sky, last years contract is up so there's no deal in place for this year. They will get a new one without question, Neil Reynolds and Big Kev have said as much, it just won't be announced until around August most likely. Considering RedZone is blacked out here on GamePass, you can take it as a given that Sky will have it on the red button again too.

Silver-Tiger

I know our schedule is impossible but Weeden might be something good and Trent should be something good. Weeden was drafted by the Yankees , drafted in the 1st round of the draft this year and is a scratch golfer. That's more talent than I can get my head around. A lot of people are giving the Browns the same predictions as they were giving the Bengals last year. We've only lost big Phil Taylor for half the season which is a blow but not a lot else.

Although we won't have a winning season, I'm confident that we'll provide a few upsets like 2 years ago.

Danger_dave1

Silver-Tiger wrote: »

Although we won't have a winning season, I'm confident that we'll provide a few upsets like 2 years ago.

Ohhh dear a browns fan! Confident as well?!?! :pac:

Kylo Ren

Syferus

Silver-Tiger wrote: »

I know our schedule is impossible but Weeden might be something good and Trent should be something good. Weeden was drafted by the Yankees , drafted in the 1st round of the draft this year and is a scratch golfer. That's more talent than I can get my head around. A lot of people are giving the Browns the same predictions as they were giving the Bengals last year. We've only lost big Phil Taylor for half the season which is a blow but not a lot else.

Although we won't have a winning season, I'm confident that we'll provide a few upsets like 2 years ago.

Still galling that they got a soon-to-be 29 year-old rookie to replace a 25 year-old three year veteran who was working with the worst offense assembled since Detroit 2008.

Yeah, Weeden's good, he could be this year's Andy Dalton (oh the irony of the Browns copying the Bengals), but he's got huge amounts of work to do and if he's better than McCoy this year I'll call it and say it's entirely because he has better weapons.

McCoy would at minimum have been as good as Weeden this year and his youth and added experience should have meant the Browns gave him one good year to showcase his stuff after falling flat on their faces with RG3. The Browns have a terrible record of blaming it all the QB and throwing them out since they returned to the league, it's a recipe for no success and that's exactly what they've got. People talk about Sanchez being Tebowed this coming year but McCoy is in a terrible position now, traded or not, and he doesn't deserve it. Cleveland's problems are endemic.

bubba gump

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Bet365 have odds for regular season wins, total team sacks, rookie MVPs etc. Not all markets are up yet, it's still early but oddschecker.com is good for seeing what markets are up on which bookies.

As for Sky, last years contract is up so there's no deal in place for this year. They will get a new one without question, Neil Reynolds and Big Kev have said as much, it just won't be announced until around August most likely. Considering RedZone is blacked out here on GamePass, you can take it as a given that Sky will have it on the red button again too.

Redzone is not blacked out for Irish gamepass users only UK. I've had it last two years and been able to watch it.

Masked Man

bubba gump wrote: »

Redzone is not blacked out for Irish gamepass users only UK. I've had it last two years and been able to watch it.

I have bad news for you.

matthew8

Syferus wrote: »

Still galling that they got a soon-to-be 29 year-old rookie to replace a 25 year-old three year veteran who was working with the worst offense assembled since Detroit 2008.

Yeah, Weeden's good, he could be this year's Andy Dalton (oh the irony of the Browns copying the Bengals), but he's got huge amounts of work to do and if he's better than McCoy this year I'll call it and say it's entirely because he has better weapons.

McCoy would at minimum have been as good as Weeden this year and his youth and added experience should have meant the Browns gave him one good year to showcase his stuff after falling flat on their faces with RG3. The Browns have a terrible record of blaming it all the QB and throwing them out since they returned to the league, it's a recipe for no success and that's exactly what they've got. People talk about Sanchez being Tebowed this coming year but McCoy is in a terrible position now, traded or not, and he doesn't deserve it. Cleveland's problems are endemic.

I think McCoy has got a really raw deal too (and I bet Mike Holmgren does too), but he's not ready to start in this league. He needs to work on his arm strength to be a starter. Can't imagine Weedon will do too well with that receiving corps.

me-skywalker

Im confused with all this Redzone - Gamepass - Blacked Out - Not Blacked out- Uk market - SKY red button.... ooohhh spinning... haha