Lisbon Treaty - Exit Poll

turgon

mayordenis wrote: »

everyone has there own agenda whats going to beneficial from this treaty or not will not be blanket beneficial for everyone or detrimental to everyone,

Well unless your a socialist and want a bad economy as its easier to get a socialist revolution going in such circumstances, I fail to see how a No is good for anyone.

motherFocker

mayordenis wrote: »

There's some really poor attitdues here on both sides labelling people have the opinion opposite to yours as idiots - like above

"my faith in the intelligence of the electorate may just be restored"

if they agree with me they're intelligent
if not they're dribbling idiots

people need to cop on - everyone has there own agenda whats going to beneficial from this treaty or not will not be blanket beneficial for everyone or detrimental to everyone,
I'm so ****ing glad this is over.

Fair point. Agreed.

damoz

ei.sdraob wrote: »

http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/images/2009/09/17/sf-poster-2.jpg

anyone know the make of the tank in the poster

Mary Lou

mayordenis

turgon wrote: »

Well unless your a socialist and want a bad economy as its easier to get a socialist revolution going in such circumstances, I fail to see how a No is good for anyone.

I am a socialist.

turgon

mayordenis wrote: »

I am a socialist.

And?

motherFocker

I think we do need a better education system.:)

crushproof

damoz wrote: »

Mary Lou

Nah she's the tractor

stickinikki

Teferi wrote: »

Swallowed my pride and voted yes. I hate that the government will use this to prove they have support though (if it passes). I truly hate FF and the Green party. Utter scum the lot of them.

that makes me feel so happy Really good to see people putting things like that aside and focusing on the issue at hand.

jonnyfingers

If I vote yes but write next to it that I want the shower of wasters that we call our government out will it spoil the vote?

mayordenis

turgon wrote: »

And?

I want everyone to get along and drop the holier than thou bull**** (not you btw)

meditraitor

motherFocker wrote: »

I think we do need a better education system.:)

We need a lot of things young brother and paying for them will be a lot harder if we reject Lisbon and go it alone.

Rb

turgon wrote: »

Perhaps its the sight of the shiny German Navy ships waiting for ratification so they can invade us and introduce mandatory abortion, euthanasia for all 70+ year olds and €1.84 minimum wage. Because, you know, the Germans care that much about Ireland that they would want to force us to do such things.

Abortions for some, miniature American European flags for others?!

turgon wrote:

So, how did it feel to be on the Yes side as opposed to the No side? My experience changing over was rather pleasant. I particularly liked the way I didn't have to duck around questions anymore and the way I could actually reference the treaty completely while still supporting my point. And the cookies, of course

It felt fantastic and I completely agree about no longer needing to dodge questions, or fact for that matter. It also felt so good to no longer have to defend the madness presented by some of the No side lunatics on here, nor to be seen as standing by them though I agreed with nothing they said in actuality.

It also caused me to question my own vision of Ireland and Europe and consequently I've gone from having fears of integration, to being very pro the European project overall.

It's great, tbh, and if we get a Yes tomorrow it'll be a great day to be Irish, and a great day to be European. Interestingly though, I've went from being quite invested in a No (in terms of pride or "emotion") to being very invested in a Yes.

One of the biggest things it did was to really open my eyes to the sheer ignorance, deceit, lunacy and misguided "bravery" that the No side is comprised of. I don't think I'll ever find myself on their side of an argument again tbh, and was distraught at finding myself on it this time around anyway.

Kev_ps3

mayordenis wrote: »

There's some really poor attitdues here on both sides labelling people have the opinion opposite to yours as idiots - like above

"my faith in the intelligence of the electorate may just be restored"

if they agree with me they're intelligent
if not they're dribbling idiots

people need to cop on - everyone has there own agenda whats going to beneficial from this treaty or not will not be blanket beneficial for everyone or detrimental to everyone,
I'm so ****ing glad this is over.

Good post man.
Lets face it, its the arrogant Yes side that use those words..

Rb

jonnyfingers wrote: »

If I vote yes but write next to it that I want the shower of wasters that we call our government out will it spoil the vote?

yes. They're very strict about what is a valid vote and anything but a mark that indicates a clear preference can and will get scrapped.

Euro_Kraut

geuro wrote: »

The problem is that in this poll there is no way for someone who has not voted yet to see how the exit poll is shaping up.

If you log out and look at this thread you should be able to see the results.

motherFocker

Pencils. Why was there pencils all over my polling station. For voters who make mistakes perhaps. But there were no erasers! Just thought it was a bit strange.

Cróga

meditraitor wrote: »

We need a lot of things young brother and paying for them will be a lot harder if we reject Lisbon and go it alone.

We're in so much debt to the private central bank of europe that we cant pay for anything, whether we vote yes or no. Voting yes allows us to borrow more money so we can hype up the economy postponing the inevitable crash to a later date. la de la la lets all go vote yes for the economy! wooo! Lets keep borrowing, who gives a **** about our childrens future, eh?

turgon

Id say me and Rb went through pretty much the exact same transition - especially as regards pride and being strong willed both times. But it was much more frustrating being on the Yes side simply because of the lies forwarded by the No side. I never really felt such frustration the first time around.

It took a bit of balls to "come out" some 2/3 weeks before though, in the middle of the campaign. I changed to Yes a lot earlier due to a general "transition" taking place in my life around me at the same time which put new perspectives on different things.

Rb

mayordenis wrote: »

There's some really poor attitdues here on both sides labelling people have the opinion opposite to yours as idiots - like above

"my faith in the intelligence of the electorate may just be restored"

if they agree with me they're intelligent
if not they're dribbling idiots

people need to cop on - everyone has there own agenda whats going to beneficial from this treaty or not will not be blanket beneficial for everyone or detrimental to everyone,
I'm so ****ing glad this is over.

I disagree. If a No vote is returned, like last time it will be based on ignorance, misinformed voters and anti-establishment sentiment. It is idiocy and I'm not afraid to tar it as such, and if that labels me as having a bad attitude towards those who endorse such poor voting then so be it.

If you examine why it was rejected last time, you'll see I'm not lying about it. People may have their own agendas, but if they don't disagree with something in the treaty we're being asked to vote on (or amending our constitution to facilitate its ratification), then they should refrain from f*cking doing so and pursue their agenda at a more appropriate time.

mayordenis wrote:

and again - you've a pretty terrible attitude.

Am I wrong? Do point out where I am wrong in that statement, or do you think it is actually a legitimate reason to vote No this time i.e because they weren't arsed consulting some of the many, many legitimate resources about the treaty before going to the polls?

I think such an excuse is a disgrace at this point in time and I have absolutely no problem in saying so.

cornbb

I'm pleased to see that this exit poll is closely aligned with what the "accurate" polls (i.e. in newspapers) were predicting. I'd also put a lot of faith in the odds PaddyPower were offering I'm confident that the Yesses will have it but I guess its not over til the fat lady sings.

I too will be happy that this whole thing is over. Its been a very emotive campaign, an awful lot of crap from both sides and an awful lot of people swallowed some whopping lies. Honesty, dignity and accountability have lost, no matter who wins. I hope future referenda* will not see similar tactics being used or else our country is gonna disappear down the toilet.

*I refer to Lisbon III. It is going to be best of 3, right?

ei.sdraob

whats happening now?

down from 59% to 57%

Nooooooooooo

cornbb wrote: »

*I refer to Lisbon III. It is going to be best of 3, right?

no to lisbon 3!

/

marco_polo

Max Power1 wrote: »

maybe i was blinded by the "yes to jobs" slogan then

And, no I didnt:p

Any chance the same thing happpened earlier in the day

mayordenis

Rb wrote: »

I disagree. If a No vote is returned, like last time it will be based on ignorance, misinformed voters and anti-establishment sentiment. It is idiocy and I'm not afraid to tar it as such, and if that labels me as having a bad attitude towards those who endorse such poor voting then so be it.

If you examine why it was rejected last time, you'll see I'm not lying about it. People may have their own agendas, but if they don't disagree with something in the treaty we're being asked to vote on (or amending our constitution to facilitate its ratification), then they should refrain from f*cking doing so and pursue their agenda at a more appropriate time.



Am I wrong? Do point out where I am wrong in that statement, or do you think it is actually a legitimate reason to vote No this time i.e because they weren't arsed consulting some of the many, many legitimate resources about the treaty before going to the polls?

I think such an excuse is a disgrace at this point in time and I have absolutely no problem in saying so.

I'm not debating the points of right or wrong
only that people don't have to go out there arguments with such an air of arrogance.

I'll put it this way if liverpool beat chelsea 15-0 at the weekend - and I had supreme proof that one team outclassed the other I wouldn't bother debating it with you - because you would dismiss what I have to say flipantly and there's just no point.
Have your arguments label everyone a cretin or whatever you want.

worldclass

Now this is Interesting:

Boards.ie Poll shows Yes at 57.08% and No at 42.92%

and the most active poll on Facebook has:

Yes 2,362 47.89 %

No 2,172 44.04 %

Maybe, I'm undecided 175 3.55 %

I don't understand it 223 4.52 %

Seems to be painting a picture.. fingers crossed

Just an FYI

PopeBuckfastXVI

worldclass wrote: »

Now this is Interesting:

Boards.ie Poll shows Yes at 57.08% and No at 42.92%

and the most active poll on Facebook has:

Yes 2,362 47.89 %

No 2,172 44.04 %

Maybe, I'm undecided 175 3.55 %

I don't understand it 223 4.52 %

Seems to be painting a picture.. fingers crossed

Just an FYI

There's only one poll that counts, which is why I never vote in these online things...

mayordenis

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

There's only one poll that counts, which is why I never vote in these online things...

Just an indication really of how it's going not more than a talking point - don't see the harm in it myself.

Sam Vimes

YES|122|56.22%
NO|95|43.78%


I hope it doesn't turn out like that. I put €20 on no

motherFocker

cornbb wrote: »

I'm pleased to see that this exit poll is closely aligned with what the "accurate" polls (i.e. in newspapers) were predicting. I'd also put a lot of faith in the odds PaddyPower were offering I'm confident that the Yesses will have it but I guess its not over til the fat lady sings.

I too will be happy that this whole thing is over. Its been a very emotive campaign, an awful lot of crap from both sides and an awful lot of people swallowed some whopping lies. Honesty, dignity and accountability have lost, no matter who wins. I hope future referenda* will not see similar tactics being used or else our country is gonna disappear down the toilet.

*I refer to Lisbon III. It is going to be best of 3, right?

Dont think Ireland will ever ever be given an opportunity to have a referendum on anything in Europe again if this goes through. Horse will be out the gate. Your innocence is charming though. Best of luck!

meditraitor

Croga wrote: »

We're in so much debt to the private central bank of europe that we cant pay for anything, whether we vote yes or no. Voting yes allows us to borrow more money so we can hype up the economy postponing the inevitable crash to a later date. la de la la lets all go vote yes for the economy! wooo! Lets keep borrowing, who gives a **** about our childrens future, eh?

What I was trying (unsuccesfully by the looks of it ) to explain is that the cost of borrowing (the interest) will increase if we are not a fully paid up member of the EU.
The amount borrowed may not change but the amount we have to pay back will.....

Sam Vimes

motherFocker wrote: »

Dont think Ireland will ever ever be given an opportunity to have a referendum on anything in Europe again if this goes through. Horse will be out the gate. Your innocence is charming though. Best of luck!

It's funny that you talk about his innocence when you've been taken in by one of the biggest lies of this campaign