DART+ (DART Expansion)

fresca

Underground DART delayed until 2018

Wednesday, 5 May 2010 11:51
The completion date for Dublin's Underground DART link has been put back three years to 2018.
But the Govt says the €2bn project remains a priority.
An Iarnród Éireann spokeswoman said that the planning applications had taken longer than expected and the project, along with others in Transport 21, had been 'elongated'.
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Iarnród Éireann has issued a video presentation and is also holding a series of public consultations before next month's application for a railway order to An Bord Pleanála.
Transport Minister Noel Dempsey previously described the 7.6km underground rail link as the most critical piece of public transport in the state.
The project which will be a public private partnership and will involve linking Docklands with Heuston Station through underground stations at Pearse, St Stephen's Green and Christchurch.
It will also provide an interchange with DART, Commuter, Intercity and LUAS services, as well as the planned Metro lines.
The present coastal DART line will be split, with the northern line finishing at the Docklands and the southern line at Pearse but the interconnector will provide an interchange between the two.


http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0505/dart.html

murphaph

Well we knew it was never going to open in 2015. Time will tell if it's built at all. Hopefully it will be of course. I suppose in a way going the PPP route sort of guarantees that if it starts, it will be finished whereas if it was state funded a new government could pull the plug when it's half finished.

dubhthach

fresca wrote: »

Underground DART delayed until 2018

Wednesday, 5 May 2010 11:51
The completion date for Dublin's Underground DART link has been put back three years to 2018.
But the Govt says the €2bn project remains a priority.
An Iarnród Éireann spokeswoman said that the planning applications had taken longer than expected and the project, along with others in Transport 21, had been 'elongated'.
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Iarnród Éireann has issued a video presentation and is also holding a series of public consultations before next month's application for a railway order to An Bord Pleanála.
Transport Minister Noel Dempsey previously described the 7.6km underground rail link as the most critical piece of public transport in the state.
The project which will be a public private partnership and will involve linking Docklands with Heuston Station through underground stations at Pearse, St Stephen's Green and Christchurch.
It will also provide an interchange with DART, Commuter, Intercity and LUAS services, as well as the planned Metro lines.
The present coastal DART line will be split, with the northern line finishing at the Docklands and the southern line at Pearse but the interconnector will provide an interchange between the two.


http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0505/dart.html

By 2018 they of course really mean 2022! After all the interurbans were suppose to open in 2006!

Chris_5339762

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Unsurprisingly Dart Underground has slipped back a certain period.

Latest estimates are late 2018 for this to be completed.

http://www.ppp.gov.ie/ppp-projects

God the papers are a month slow. I knew this back at the beginning of April, no wonder nothing gets reported in this country.

BluntGuy

A new PDF in their "drawings" section.

Nothing that interesting, just showing a proposed maintenence facility:

http://www.irishrail.ie/projects/pdf/DartUnderGround/43AMaintenanceFacilityBuildingMaintenance.pdf

I think here may be one or two other new drawings, they've been adding them over time.

Typewriter

Latest presentation...

http://rapidshare.com/files/388975405/Irish-Rail-DART-Underground-Presentation.pdf

krugerrand

There's a discussion taking place about the Inchciore Dart and Luas stations at www.inchicore.info - It's a good forum to explain to the locals of inchicore the positive benefits of the dart underground station and new luas F1-line station for inchicore.

dowlingm

174m platform length = 8 car DART?

Victor

dowlingm wrote: »

174m platform length = 8 car DART?

Give or take. Might be 178m.

Irish and Proud

dowlingm wrote: »

174m platform length = 8 car DART?

AFAIK, the Thameslink in London (now Capital Connect) is upgrading their line to accommodate 12 carriage trains and the platform lengths will be around 250m. So 174m would probably accommodate the 8 carriage DART trains. As per the plans, it might appear that there will be provision to extend the Dart Underground platforms in the future. Can anyone add to this?

Regards!

murphaph

Irish and Proud wrote: »

AFAIK, the Thameslink in London (now Capital Connect) is upgrading their line to accommodate 12 carriage trains and the platform lengths will be around 250m. So 174m would probably accommodate the 8 carriage DART trains. As per the plans, it might appear that there will be provision to extend the Dart Underground platforms in the future. Can anyone add to this?

Regards!

My view is that the plans should at least make it reasonably possible to extend to 12 car length, even if the system opens with 8 car. They could presumably mine out the station for 12 car length but not fit it out with platforms etc.

BluntGuy

murphaph wrote: »

My view is that the plans should at least make it reasonably possible to extend to 12 car length, even if the system opens with 8 car. They could presumably mine out the station for 12 car length but not fit it out with platforms etc.

I doubt this is going to happen unfortunately. I reckon IE would've highlighted it at some point by now.

BluntGuy

green_jesus wrote: »

Latest presentation...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/30970112/Irish-Rail-DART-Underground-Presentation

For some reason, this presentation has been deleted.

There is a cached version here, but without the formatting or pictures:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:yRbWavRDM54J:www.scribd.com/doc/30970112/Irish-Rail-DART-Underground-Presentation+http://www.scribd.com/doc/30970112/Irish-Rail-DART-Underground-Presentation&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

I would recommend that you back up the information quickly.

Typewriter

BluntGuy wrote: »

For some reason, this presentation has been deleted.

There is a cached version here, but without the formatting or pictures:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:yRbWavRDM54J:www.scribd.com/doc/30970112/Irish-Rail-DART-Underground-Presentation+http://www.scribd.com/doc/30970112/Irish-Rail-DART-Underground-Presentation&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

I would recommend that you back up the information quickly.

PDF available here...

http://rapidshare.com/files/388975405/Irish-Rail-DART-Underground-Presentation.pdf

murphaph

It appeared to be an internal presentation from IE to the OPW (see last page) and the OPW were not supposed to give it to anyone else.

BluntGuy

Not much on this front:

A new basic explanation PDF:


http://www.irishrail.ie/projects/pdf/dartunderground/Missing Link 18pp_11.pdf

They've added a "PPP Procurement" section:

http://www.irishrail.ie/projects/dart_underground_documents.asp

It doesn't exactly have much yet though.

murphaph

BluntGuy wrote: »

Not much on this front:

A new basic explanation PDF:


http://www.irishrail.ie/projects/pdf/dartunderground/Missing Link 18pp_11.pdf

They've added a "PPP Procurement" section:

http://www.irishrail.ie/projects/dart_underground_documents.asp

It doesn't exactly have much yet though.

How many times did they feel the need to reiterate that the project is of national importance, like just building it for Dublin's sake would have been out of the question. Gombeen politics have distorted reality in Ireland to a point where such documents have to be very careful not to get the ire of rural voters up, despite the FACT that Dublin generates the lion's share of Ireland's GDP. Dublin has to bow defferentially to the country when it wants anything.

irishdub14

murphaph wrote: »

How many times did they feel the need to reiterate that the project is of national importance, like just building it for Dublin's sake would have been out of the question. Gombeen politics have distorted reality in Ireland to a point where such documents have to be very careful not to get the ire of rural voters up, despite the FACT that Dublin generates the lion's share of Ireland's GDP. Dublin has to bow defferentially to the country when it wants anything.

And we've the crappy transport system to prove it!

Sponge Bob

The missing link is still missing This project will not go anywhere until the missing link ( the lack of quad track west of Kylemore road ) is addressed.

The November version of the schematic showed this track layout east of Kylemore road. Evidently in both there will be quad track west of Kylemore to an extent even if only so 4 merge to two and Kylemore Road bridge will be flattened and built much higher.



OOPS, here we go. November 2009.




The May Version shows this layout.

Chris_5339762

I havent time, but someone needs to email them about this. I just cant conceive how any design company would do anything so daft as to not connect the 4 track KRP with the 4 track Interconnector. Its just too stupid. It'd be like building the M6 with a little bit of S2 around Lucan.

DWCommuter

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

I havent time, but someone needs to email them about this. I just cant conceive how any design company would do anything so daft as to not connect the 4 track KRP with the 4 track Interconnector. Its just too stupid. It'd be like building the M6 with a little bit of S2 around Lucan.

Its a bit like their original plan to have the interconnector portal in the guinness sidings in heuston.

Sponge Bob

DWCommuter wrote: »

Its a bit like their original plan to have the interconnector portal in the guinness sidings in heuston.

Inchicore is a big improvement on the originl plan to come up in Heuston and share the two or three tracks as far as Cherry Orchard. Why the gob****e s cannot finish the quad track / separation form Intercity all the way to Cherry Orchard I don't understand......especially as the quad track obviously goes west of Kylemore Road.

BluntGuy

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/10/good-business-case-for-dublin-interconnector.html

http://www.colinbuchanan.com/view/projects/dart-underground-business-case

Again, not much more news, but the railway order is due at the end of this month.

pento

when is it starting?

D.L.R.

pento wrote: »

when is it starting?

Well not until such pressing matters like the M17, Claremorris railway and Athlone's new Shanghai quarter including international airport high speed rail link to Arklow get ironed out...........

Sponge Bob

D.L.R. wrote: »

Well not until such pressing matters like...international airport high speed rail link to Arklow get ironed out

Guckian will have the crayons out for that one already , Dart extension and restoration of the Shillelagh branch with spur from Tinahely to the airport I would think.

bg07

Conifmation that the Railway Order will be lodged this week.

SB Post wrote:

Planning permission sought for €2.5bn Dublin Dart underground system
27 June 2010 By Niamh Connolly

Political Correspondent Iarnród Eireann will this week apply for permission to proceed with plans for its €2.5 billion Dart Underground project in Dublin.

The application to An Bord Pleanála is for a 7.6-kilometre underground tunnel which would have the capacity to treble numbers on the capital’s rail network to 100 million journeys annually.

The tunnel would connect lines coming into the city from the north of the county to the Kildare lines through underground stations at Spencer Dock, Pearse Street, St Stephen’s Green, Christ Church and Heuston. It will also include a new surface Dart station at Inchicore.

The ultimate plan is to link all rail systems - Dart, Commuter, Intercity, Luas and Metro - for an integrated transport network for Dublin.

In a business case for the project, Colin Buchanan & Partners , an international transport and economic consultancy, said it would generate 2.4 times more than it cost, and represented an investment in future economic development.

The wider benefits to business would increase GDP by some €450 million yearly by 2020, and it would remove 25 million kilometres in car journeys a year from Irish roads by 2030, according to the London consultancy firm.

Iarnród Eireann’s application for a Railway Order - the equivalent of planning permission - will be lodged this week, with a view to work starting in 2012 and completing in 2018.

The firm recently revealed the project would not be completed by its initial deadline of 2015, as planning applications had taken longer than expected.

The Dart Underground is to be built as a public private partnership, and firms have been invited to tender. Responses to the prequalification tender are due by July 20.

The successful bidder will be responsible for the design, construction, financing, commissioning, operation and maintenance of the tunnel, as well as stations and facilities over the PPP period to last between 25 and 35 years.

In return, the private partner will receive an annual payment.

Link

BluntGuy

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0630/1224273622738.html

Dart underground rail plan lodged

The formal application for the Dart underground rail project in Dublin was lodged with An Bord Pleanála yesterday.

If approved, the Dart underground will deliver a high-capacity rail line through the city centre.

The twin-bore tunnels will connect the northern and Kildare rail lines with underground stations located at Spencer Dock, Pearse, Station, Stephen’s Green, Christchurch and Heuston Station, as well as a surface Dart station at Inchicore.

It is estimated that close to 7,000 people will be employed each year during its proposed construction.

I'm guessing the railway order contents will be available shortly.

darkman2

BluntGuy wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0630/1224273622738.html


I'm guessing the railway order contents will be available shortly.

Not available until 7th July

http://www.dartundergroundrailwayorder.ie/

Rock of Gibraltar

Does anyone know if the old North Wall station, the quayside end of the IE Spencer Dock site, will be utilised in either the underground project or the permanent Docklands terminus station? or does IE have any plans for this building?
Here are some photos;
http://eiretrains.com/Photo_Gallery/N/North%20Wall/slides/LNWR%20North%20Wall%20(16).html