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  • #2


    Well thanks for posting that...I certainly have a clearer picture in my mind now but I am still far from convinced about the Interconnector's merits.
    Anybody can make a sexy video presentation but what about reality?

    Incidentally the rail route map on the video takes some beating. Included were Kingscourt (now disconnected), Claremorris/Collooney (disconnected), Foynes (disconnected), Midleton/Youghal (disconnected and partially removed), Mullingar/Athlone (impassable), Athenry/Claremorris (impassable) and the best off all Waterford/Ballinacourty (removed completely some years ago). I hope their DART Undergound projections are more accurate. :D


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    The best place to find merit in the Interconnector is in foreign cities which have already built theirs ;-)

    Munich (built 1972 to connect their one-time disjointed network) is the best known example. Berlin also has a (much older) Stammstrecke (called the Stadtbahn to this day) however and it also forms the backbone of the network here.

    London has obviously got Crossrail on the agenda and Glasgow has one in planning too.

    Dublin isn't a special case which wouldn't benefir immensely from such a joining up of the disjointed bits.


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    The Berlin S-Bahn is a wonder of transport, even if it did reach a peak in 1943!

    But even closer to home we can see the benefits of joining lines, the central line in Belfast integrates the network and allows easy transfer between the three suburban routes and the two longer distance services.


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    And Munich are going to build a second one because the first is totally full :D


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    ardmacha wrote: »
    The Berlin S-Bahn is a wonder of transport, even if it did reach a peak in 1943!
    Unfortunately it's at it's lowest point since the war these days! Google S-Bahn Berlin chaos etc. to find out why... :(

    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1912399,00.html

    A sorry state of affairs however, the way they get information out to passengers and supply replacement buses and extra U-Bahns makes it bearable for most people. Even the current crippled network in Berlin is 100 times better than what poor old Dublin has. The interconnector is vital in this regard.


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    It's actually a pretty good video. Boring and long, but I already know about the IC. For those who don't, it is the first decent attempt I've seen to explain in. Fair play to IE?*

    * Yes, I know they should be focussing on services and not glossy videos etc.


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    paulm17781 wrote: »
    It's actually a pretty good video.

    I agree. And while I'm not in favour of PR vs. spending the money on services, in this case, if you want the general public to buy into it, you have to explain it. And I think it does.

    For example, I'm familiar in a very basic way with the IC, but I was unaware until I saw it, of the plan to have the turnaround at Inchicore. Seems sensible to me.


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    murphaph wrote: »
    New propoganda here but it really whets the appetite.....who knows if we'll have the nerve to do it though....:confused:

    Anyone having problems with the link?


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    Davy wrote: »
    Anyone having problems with the link?
    Yeah it seems broken now (good old IE). The video was hosted on Youtube so here's the actual page (sans other good info, schematics etc. that were on the IE page).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_M6JyxNnDY


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    Ye cheers, it seems the whole site is down, not just the link


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    I've had no problems with the link.

    That video would have been relatively inexpensive to produce and I'm glad it's out there as it does a pretty good job of explaining how this scheme will plug a gaping missing link in Dublin's public transport infrastructure.


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    I was surprised to see them include the PPT on their maps in the video, usually to date Interconnector stuff has airbrushed the PPT out of history!


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    That video has been up there for a while - not very interesting if you already knew a fair amount about the project, but does a nice job summing everything up.

    What is interesting are the newest schematics (Inchicore etc.). Seems a surface level station is now going to be built along with the main project, as opposed to just making provision for it.

    The proposed network looks lovely but sometimes needs to brush out the Metro West and one or two of the proposed Luas lines because they simply aren't going to happen before 2015. I want to see a realistic transport schematic for 2015.


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    Good video overall, explains everything. I like the way that the Luas is mentioned, I'd have thought that CIE would conveniently leave that out (!!!)


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    http://tentea.ec.europa.eu/download/project_fiches/ireland/fichenew_2007ie26010s_final.pdf

    Seems the EU gave us quite a chunk of money to fund the railway order and detailed design stages of the project.

    A June 2011 date has been given as the end date of the implementation schedule for this stage.


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    Unfortunately it's at it's lowest point since the war these days! Google S-Bahn Berlin chaos etc. to find out why...

    http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...912399,00.html

    They should bring back the old rolling stock they sold to Pyongyang, or was this only U-bahn stock. Even the DDR had better service than Dublin. Having the metro west etc on maps only confuses the issue, the interconnector is more important.


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    U-Bahn stock according to this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyongyang_Metro

    Is the consensus also that the interconnector is more important than Metro North?

    I only ask because as an emigrant who spends just a few days per year in Dublin I have limited experience of public transport there. (I'm also lucky enough to stay in the city centre and so rarely venture out into the burbs.) I understand that Metro West may be postponed for financial reasons and that other projects could be at risk.


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    BluntGuy wrote: »
    A June 2011 date has been given as the end date of the implementation schedule for this stage.
    I certainly hope they will have broken ground on the project before that. They'd need to, to have it ready for 2015.


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    Hmmmmmmm looks promising :)


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    D.L.R. wrote: »
    Hmmmmmmm looks promising :)

    Well it may have ... but perhaps you could tell us what it was - when I clicked the link I got "this job is no longer available" ... so, maybe it does not look so promising now!


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    serfboard wrote: »
    Well it may have ... but perhaps you could tell us what it was - when I clicked the link I got "this job is no longer available" ... so, maybe it does not look so promising now!

    The link has changed. Here is the quote, job is still up on jobs.ie
    Rail Tunnell Project Planner - 70k

    Project Planner (Rail Tunnel) - Dublin - €70,000

    Our client is a specialist in their field and have been established for decades. They are currently recruiting for a Project Planner on a two year contract to implement and plan a new underground rail tunnel. This is a full-time role with an immediate start.

    Duties Include:
    * Developing and maintaining the rail tunnelling project programme
    * Reviewing the consultant's construction programme
    * Working in a team and to monthly, quarterly and yearly deadlines
    * Analysing the rates of TBM progression

    Requirements:
    * A third level qualification in civil or structural engineering
    * Construction experience as a project planner in a tunnelling job a must

    Benefits Package:
    * Base Salary of approximately €70,000 per annum
    * 25 Days Paid Holidays
    * Free Parking

    Interviews start taking place from Tuesday 21st July.

    I wonder what tunnel that might be :)


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    The words 'start' and 'immediate' are certainly very promising.


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    i saw in the indo a few days ago that Minister Dempsey said that MN and Int will defo go ahead despite the downturn.

    i tried ta find a link for it but the irish indo website jus doesnt like me. if someone else cud it'd be great.

    i hate ta jinx it but its startin to look like it might actually go ahead


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    dannym08 wrote: »
    i saw in the indo a few days ago that Minister Dempsey said that MN and Int will defo go ahead despite the downturn.

    i tried ta find a link for it but the irish indo website jus doesnt like me. if someone else cud it'd be great.

    i hate ta jinx it but its startin to look like it might actually go ahead

    I don't read trash like the Indo but he has said it various times over the past few months, doesn't really mean anything until we see contracts signed and shovels on the ground...

    You may be talking about this:

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/europe-asked-to-fund-rail-projects-1838248.html

    There was a similar story in the Irish Times a week back or so.

    Also (related to the above article), check this out for piece of stupidity:

    http://www.sligochampion.ie/lifestyle/ministers-priorities-dont-include-west-1847460.html

    My favourite quote:
    What better project is there in the country than the creation of a badly needed rail service to cover the western seaboard? Surely, it should get priority over two further rail schemes for the Capital?

    There is so much wrong with this statement I don't even know where to start.


  • #2


    I wish we could strike oil and be wealthy beyond our dreams so we could just build the WRC to high spec, with modern rolling stock running at high frequency and good speed, so we can finally say "I told you so" to the likes of the moron who wrote that piece when it turns out to be a total failure. POPULATION DENSITY IS TOO LOW for the WRC to work. It's already relatively low in Dublin but still hundreds/thousands of times higher than along the WRC.


  • #2


    Nice find BluntGuy, there's a similar trainspotter article published in the 'County' section of the Examiner yesterday extolling the virtues of extending the recently re-opened Midleton line back out to Youghal and onto Dungarvan and Waterford.


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    murphaph wrote: »
    I wish we could strike oil and be wealthy beyond our dreams so we could just build the WRC to high spec, with modern rolling stock running at high frequency and good speed, so we can finally say "I told you so" to the likes of the moron who wrote that piece when it turns out to be a total failure. POPULATION DENSITY IS TOO LOW for the WRC to work. It's already relatively low in Dublin but still hundreds/thousands of times higher than along the WRC.

    Indeed.

    That article just reeks of a misplaced sense of entitlement.

    But this is how elections are won, give these idiots FF biscuits to buy their votes while essential projects get mere crumbs.
    It's time Fianna Fail started thinking beyond the Pale. If it doesn't it will pay a heavy price at the next General Election just as it did in the Locals in June.

    Maybe it's time these people starting thinking be-...

    Well just thinking to be quite frank.


  • #2


    Nice find BluntGuy, there's a similar trainspotter article published in the 'County' section of the Examiner yesterday extolling the virtues of extending the recently re-opened Midleton line back out to Youghal and onto Dungarvan and Waterford.

    I must've missed it, is there an online web link to this article? I seem to have misplaced that section of the paper.

    If not, could you give a general outline of what it said?


  • #2


    I can't find it online either BluntGuy, the article just mentioned how great it was Midleton was re-opening and how impressive the new stations were (journalist compares them to the LUAS for some reason). Then the author talks of his hopes that the line is reopened to Youghal and marvels at how great it would if a new line is built onto Dungarvan and joins up with the old railway there to Waterford. Needless to say he didn't speculate on the cost of it all.


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    I can't find it online either BluntGuy, the article just mentioned how great it was Midleton was re-opening and how impressive the new stations were (journalist compares them to the LUAS for some reason). Then the author talks of his hopes that the line is reopened to Youghal and marvels at how great it would if a new line is built onto Dungarvan and joins up with the old railway there to Waterford. Needless to say he didn't speculate on the cost of it all.

    Or indeed if there would be any tangible economic, social or environmental benefits beyond having a nice-looking railway line to gawk mindlessly at.

    Extension to Midleton? Yes.

    Youghal? Perhaps, need to do my research.

    The rest of it? A fallacy.


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